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Old Posted Apr 11, 2010, 7:13 AM
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Old Posted Apr 11, 2010, 7:30 AM
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Well yeah, when you put it that way...but he's still a rich white guy...just sayin'
     
     
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Correction, brown guy from Lebanon
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What does the job market look like for construction jobs or architecture jobs in Saskatchwan? Couldn't be more beautiful a place. Things are very slow in the US but this area looks wonderful.

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Saskatoon has the wonderful lake placid development on the table (condo,retail,hotel) and some construction at the university. Regina has 2 towers about to start construction (12 storey condo, 25 storey condo and hotel), 2 more office highrises on the table, and a football retractable dome stadium on the table...all downtown.

So yes, Saskatchewan is a hot place to be right now.
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 11, 2010, 7:06 PM
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Correction, brown guy from Lebanon
Okay, we don't have any(?) things named after brown guys. Maybe he can be the first.
     
     
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Okay, we don't have any(?) things named after brown guys. Maybe he can be the first.
Oh...oops. Haha.
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 11, 2010, 9:58 PM
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Okay, we don't have any(?) things named after brown guys. Maybe he can be the first.
Embracing diversity!! It's a wonderful thing Maybe this will promote more middle eastern cuisine in Saskatoon, delicious!
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Old Posted Apr 11, 2010, 10:33 PM
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Odd & Ends

A new Direct Buy going up by Costco.


Holiday Inn construction site.


Mitchell's demolition.


Future south bridge site. Work has begun on both sides of the river.


Love the balconies on the Rumley. Fantastic job.




What you have all been waiting for. Close-ups of the lift station.


     
     
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Old Posted Apr 12, 2010, 3:34 AM
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You da man Jerry!

They cleared those trees on the west side of the river pretty quick.

The Rumley is a fine specimen for sure. I would describe it as gracefully imposing.

One of the positives with the Holiday Inn above ground parkade is quick arrival of a crane. Make the best of a bad situation

I'm concerned about the sewage lift station. Save for the 2009 Saskatoon construction map, I could not find any info on the City's website; no project description or rendering. I hope they bury most of it or cover it up with trees and hedges. Regardless of its visual impact, it will beautifully complement the AGS across the river.
     
     
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Thanks for the pictures Jerry, gives us from outside SK who have an interest in Saskatoon a better perspective on what's going. Hope city hall stands firm with Lake Placid and demands all money from site up front and a bond be posted with stipulations when work will begin and commence.
     
     
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Well, my wife and I have done our little part and have sent an email to our city councilor indicating our support for the Lake Placid proposal and asking that he also do what he can to see this deal go through. We did say that as long as due diligence takes place to ensure funding, we support the original purchase price to see this go forward (for all the many reasons that have been shared on this forum already)

Please, everyone else here, contact your councilor and the let them know what you think (whatever your point of view may be.....exercise your political right to express your opinion!)

Here's hoping ....


Edit: Already got a response back from my councilor who indicated of the 9 emails he has received in the last day on this subject, I was one of 5 that supported it. His comment to me was that he had met with Mr. Lobsinger and told him that if he could prove the financing was in place, he as a councilor would support it. However, he was not clear at what purchase price he would support it.

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Old Posted Apr 12, 2010, 2:39 PM
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NEWS · APR 08 2010

Turbulent Waters

PLAN FOR RIVER LANDING SIGNATURE SITE REMAINS IN DOUBT
by Charles Hamilton

A bid to resurrect what has become one of the most controversial land developments in Saskatoon’s history gained momentum in late March, with the announcement that one of Saskatoon’s most respected citizens has signed onto the deal.

On March 22nd, Karim Nasser — a well-known local philanthropist who recently donated $12 million to the University of Saskatchewan — confirmed that his company, Victory Majors Investment Corp, has entered into a partnership with Lake Placid, the development company that hopes to construct a massive hotel-office-condo complex on the downtown riverfront.

Proposed for a prime spot on what many civic politicians insist is “some of most valuable commercial property in the country,” the massive Lake Placid development was to be a key portion of the River Landing Village — the scenic riverfront project that many hope will become a cornerstone of the revitalization of the city’s downtown.

However, since Lake Placid and the City came to an agreement almost three years ago, the project has been plagued with delays and political disputes — and, at times, controversy.

The original deal died last October, when Lake Placid was unable to come up with the funding needed to complete the estimated $250 million dollar project. In particular, they were unable to come up with the $4.5 million needed to secure title on the land.

Now, however, Lake Placid CEO Michael Lobsinger says that with the help of Dr. Nasser, that land title can be secured. He also says they could have the shovels hitting the ground as soon May, and complete the project in less than three years.

“With Dr. Nasser, [we] are in a position to close on the land immediately, and start excavation on the site within 45 days,” said Lobsinger after a March 22nd City Council meeting. “We’re going to move forward and we’re going to get this done.”

Sounds great — but the problem is that Council finally pulled the plug on the deal five months ago, after Lobsinger’s company repeatedly failed to meet payment deadlines. This puts Council in the awkward position of deciding whether or not to reopen negotiations with Lake Placid, or to open up the process to requests from other developers — which was, until recently, the plan.

Councillor Charlie Clark, who’s been sceptical of the Lake Placid deal since the beginning, was the lone dissenting voice on council at the March 22 meeting. He says reopening negotiations with Lake Placid send unclear and uncertain messages to other developers interested in doing business in Saskatoon.

“As much as I admire the tenacity of Lobsinger and I appreciate that Dr. Nasser is going to help with this deal, it is prudent for the City now, given what has happened, to move ahead with the RFP [Request For Proposals] process,” he says.

Neither Lobsinger nor Nasser would reveal the exact details of their agreement, but it is rumoured that Nasser would put up the necessary $4.5 million to secure the land. Still, even with Dr. Nasser’s involvement, it remains unclear whether or not the rest of Lake Placid’s financing issues will be solved.

Lobsinger says his money is tied up in a company called Seremia Ltd., which has a bank account in Nicosia, Cyprus. He also says that due to new and complex banking regulations arising from the global financial meltdown, he’s having a hard time getting that money back — but in November, he claimed that he was “one signature away” from securing the necessary financing.

Even with Nasser on board, it sounds like that signature is still crucial: when asked about it on March 22, he told reporters, “Nothing has happened. I’m one signature away.”

To further complicate matters, the City has commissioned two new separate land appraisals, which are likely come in higher than the original $4.5 million — meaning Nasser may have to put up more money than he bargained for.

All this has amounted to scepticism about the Lake Placid proposal in particular, and the entire situation in general.

“The process doesn’t seem to be transparent or in the best interest of the city long term,” says Sean Shaw, who regularly blogs about civic politics. “I don’t know the particulars, and no one really does — and I think that’s the problem.”

For city officials and politicians, there’s undeniably pressure to reopen negotiations with Lake Placid and complete the process quickly. The City is expected to spend $1 million in 2010 to run River Landing as-is, a cost that would surely be mitigated were they able to sell the anchor parcel immediately — and Lobsinger says that he can do it right away, whereas a new process with a new developer could take years to unfold.

Moreover, Lake Placid has also begun putting the pressure on — even though he says his company has already spent $8.4 million on preparations, Lobsinger has also stated that if the City were to reopen the RFP process, his company would back out entirely.

“If you ask me the question am I interested in another RFP [request for proposal], no I am not,” he says.

Regardless of what transpires, one thing seems clear: hopes for the site have been scaled down from the City’s original vision. If Lobsinger and Nasser are successful, for example, the site will include a Marriot Hotel — but one that doesn’t include a spa or major convention space, and which won’t be competing with other major downtown hotels, like the Delta Bessborough or the Sheraton Cavalier.

But if this is the most valuable commercial property in Canada, the obvious questions are why are we in such a hurry to sell it, and why would we accept a watered-down version of the City’s original dream?

Clark, for one, doesn’t believe it should be.

“It’s such an important site and it’s got so much potential, let’s really take the time to look at it,” he says. “In the end, we have to get it right.”

Shaw, who was narrowly defeated in the last civic election by incumbent Myles Heidt, says that even though he feels the Lake Placid project is “uninspiring, cold and not what the city originally wanted,” his main problem this time around is with the process.

“The city has a process for a reason,” he says. “If they keep making allowances for this one company, what does this say to the larger business community?”

Even those who are encouraged by Dr. Nasser’s involvement say they need to see all the facts before they can support the deal.

“Some people think [the Lake Placid plan] is great and some people may think it isn’t, but the point still remains that City Council, I believe, has a duty to the citizens of Saskatoon to make sure there is proper financing plan in place,” says Pat Lorje, councillor for Ward 2.

“The worst case scenario would be that we end up with a big hole in the ground and a stalled construction process on what some see as the most valuable commercial land in the province, if not the country.”

Councillor Darren Hill says he likes the original Lake Placid plan but agrees that both Nasser and Lobsinger are going to have to show a financially solid plan and partnership to council to get his vote.

“It impacts everything,” he says. “The citizens of Saskatoon are expecting a grand development there.”

It remains to be seen if they’ll get one.
     
     
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If the City is going to sell the property for less than half price, they would be negligent not to obtain security for performance by the developer. Presumably the City would be giving this multi-million dollar concession to the developer as consideration for him putting up a pretty development on the River that no one else can match.

The City should either obtain a performance bond from the developer or a right to purchase the property back for no more than the original sale price in the event of another fiasco. This right must have priority over any financing of the developer.
     
     
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Regarding contacting city councillors, I sent this:

Hi Bob,

I wrote to you on March 19, expressing my support for the River Landing Village project, as recently re-presented by Mr. Lobsinger, now teamed with Mr. Nasser. It's exciting that Lake Placid has found a way to revisit to their original plan in the face of financial difficulties that ultimately killed the original proposal.

Somewhat heartening as well, was city council's receipt of his proposal, and intent to consider it. I can understand the city is perhaps jilted by previous events, and accountable to its own citizens, but the strong positions expressed by each party worried me that nobody seems willing to go the distance to ensure this project becomes reality. Taken from a March 22 Star Phoenix article, Mr. Lobsinger says "Am I interested in another (request for proposals)? No I am not." Mr. Nasser says "If they (the city) really want that project to go, we hope they make the decision as soon as possible." And Mr. Totland, on behalf of the city, says "This is totally dependent on how much information Lake Placid and partners are willing to share with us... I hope they will be willing to provide a lot of information." It sounds like everyone is suggesting the other parties are not so willing to cooperate, or that the onus is on the other parties to make it successful.

I was hoping the first step forward from that meeting would be an encouraging one. But now I see that the parcel Y land has been revalued at $11 million, after being valued at $4.7 million two years ago. What an incredible change, considering nothing on that land has changed to cause it to appreciate so dramatically. The new price, effectively a $6 million gouge compared to the previously agreed sale price, is not encouraging progress.

I sincerely hope that city council will allow flexibility of interpretation of the appraisals, for the sake of the future of that land. Or if the original estimate of $4.7 million was severely undervalued, but was presented to Lake Placid as a valid price, that it should be considered in tandem with the current appraisals before council now.

If you have the time and inclination, I would be very interested to hear your thoughts on this matter. Email is always convenient, or I can contact you by phone if that works better.

Please let me know. Thanks for listening.


And he wrote back:
Thanks for your important opinion here, I appreciate it!

I still intend to support asking our Admin to explore the capacity of Mr Lobsinger to bring this deal to conclusion!

Please keep in touch,

Bob




So that's encouraging.

Regarding the Planet S article, I have to give them credit for staying neutral. I was expecting a little more left-leaning "leave it as a park" stance from them.

And regarding sale price of parcel Y and performance bond, I think that was a condition in the original deal, so it should carry forward to the new sale deal as well.

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I've always been a bit surprised that everyone on this thread seems to be completely in favour of this project, simply because there never seems to be anything that can be completely agreed upon on any other topics.
So maybe that says something.

But is there no one who strongly favours a different project or the land split into smaller sections so that not everything is riding on Lobsinger?
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I've always been a bit surprised that everyone on this thread seems to be completely in favour of this project, simply because there never seems to be anything that can be completely agreed upon on any other topics.
So maybe that says something.

But is there no one who strongly favours a different project or the land split into smaller sections so that not everything is riding on Lobsinger?
rrskylar seems to be the resident pesimist - although that may be just that s/he doesn't believe it's ever going to actually happen.

But in general, everybody's here because they're excited about Saskatoon construction, densification, and the future structure of Saskatoon. Many here simply can't get enough of the biggest, most exciting projects floated for Saskatoon. I think the one we argued about the most was that ridiculous sky ride. But even the 32 storey Lighthouse was fairly universally supported by this crew, despite its awful looking design (square windows cut into white tile, )

I expect we all are excited about the RLV project as proposed because it's the biggest single use for that site - splitting it into smaller segments would diminish its grandiose, unified look.

Council meeting tonight! (trying not to get emotionally wrapped up in this)

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River Landing

As Saskatoon and Saskatchewan keep developing, and the River Landing site may be considered one of the hottest properties as some say in Canada. Why is it that the only one who continually shows interest and puts money into the project is Mr. Lobsinger. He keeps coming back with a vision that will bring Saskatoon into a whole new class of city. Where are all the other big developers from across Canada if this is such a good site. If the city can't get interest at the 4 million dollar price, does anyone really think 11 million is going to draw more interest.
If Mr Lobsinger and Dr. Nasser can show they are in a position to move, then lets go back to original price and see some actions on a site that is somewhat and as been for 30 years an eyesore. It will take years for any new develoer to move on this site. Let's get on with it.
     
     
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From Newtalk650's site.

""What's the purchase price? Getting in writing a clear understanding of the development. What's the deposit? Construction requirements." said Schultz, going through an imaginary checklist, "We'd be also then going through that financial due diligence."

Sounds like the money situation is still up the air.


I'm pretty sure the decision will be in RL's favour with all the media coverage, favorable public opinion, the quotes in the paper from city councillors, the grandiose design, Mr Nasser's involvement and lack of interest from other developers.

That lot could sit empty for another 5-10 years if the decide to go back to to RFPs and according to an article in the paper a few weeks ago, RL is costing a million a year in maintenance costs. I don't think they can afford to wait that long.

*Knock on wood*

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I've always been a bit surprised that everyone on this thread seems to be completely in favour of this project, simply because there never seems to be anything that can be completely agreed upon on any other topics.
So maybe that says something.

But is there no one who strongly favours a different project or the land split into smaller sections so that not everything is riding on Lobsinger?

I think we're all so unified (note that rrskylar is not a resident of Saskatoon) with the RL project because we want change. It would be very typical for the city to break up the land, put in crappy little parks (which already line the Meewasin), they can be nice, but it's not exciting, it's not innovative and it's not progressive. I want LP's River Landing to be built, because I think it would be the start of a true renaissance within our city. I see so much potential in Saskatoon, and I don't want to have that potential ruined by mere mediocrity, which currently abounds here.

What are your feelings towards the project EarlyByrd?
     
     
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