Metro Vancouver Transit Discussion - Page 308

CLC · #**6141** Posted **Mar 29, 2010, 12:34 AM**

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Originally Posted by BCPhil

He's a PIMBY (Please in my back yard).

All he really cares about is having a train run through where he lives. He probably has some commute that is currently undeserved by transit and wants to see a train take him to where he wants to go.

Plain and simple, when he sees $1 spent on transit in the City of Vancouver, that's one less dollar to make is dream possible. Skytrain IS expensive, and the more of it we build the less the government has to spend on the Valley.

This is the part I don't understand. He should have supported BRT or rapid bus on Broadway, not the expensive LRT. BTW, I just read about the Portland-Milwaukie Light Rail extension (7.4miles, 1.42 billion) aims for completion in 2015. It seems as expensive as Canada Line on per mile basis

Vonny · #**6142** Posted **Mar 29, 2010, 1:02 AM**

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Originally Posted by CLC

...BTW, I just read about the Portland-Milwaukie Light Rail extension (7.4miles, 1.42 billion) aims for completion in 2015. It seems as expensive as Canada Line on per mile basis

yes, and Canada line has expensive amount of tunneling, a couple of bridge
severly constrained both by waterway clearance, and YVR limits.

here is a source on the Portland LRT financing:

http://trimet.org/pdfs/pm/Steering_Committee/Dec_2009/Project_Capital_Costs_and_Financing.pdf

may be you have some others. (I will have to update my page "a-streetcar-named-16-million-desire"

)

It is interesting to compare it to the Evergreen line, since planned to be built around similar time.

also note that the website http://trimet.org/pm/ show pictures of the LRT ROW protected by gates like usual railways: wonder why?

flight_from_kamakura · #**6143** Posted **Mar 29, 2010, 2:55 AM**

"Building the price of transit into event tickets is something that could be pursued in the future with other major sports or cultural events, Hardie said.

"If we can work an arrangement like that with the Lions and the Canucks and some of the promoters that put on some of these big shows, then we'll do that," he said.

The theory is that concert- or game-goers whose tickets give them transit use would ride instead of drive and park, but making spectators pay for transit that they might not use would be a decision for event organizers."

yes.

GeeCee · #**6144** Posted **Mar 29, 2010, 7:13 AM**

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Originally Posted by Vonny

also note that the website http://trimet.org/pm/ show pictures of the LRT ROW protected by gates like usual railways: wonder why?

because they cross a street where there is no intersection / traffic control. other intersections include traffic signaling.

geoff's two cents · #**6145** Posted **Mar 29, 2010, 7:37 AM**

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Originally Posted by flight_from_kamakura

"Building the price of transit into event tickets is something that could be pursued in the future with other major sports or cultural events, Hardie said.

"If we can work an arrangement like that with the Lions and the Canucks and some of the promoters that put on some of these big shows, then we'll do that," he said.

The theory is that concert- or game-goers whose tickets give them transit use would ride instead of drive and park, but making spectators pay for transit that they might not use would be a decision for event organizers."

yes.

One problem: people like me who live close enough to most sport and concert venues that we don't need to use transit to attend them. Another problem: people who already have monthly transit passes.

SpongeG · #**6146** Posted **Mar 29, 2010, 10:13 AM**

its a local service and cheaper

jlousa · #**6147** Posted **Mar 29, 2010, 1:29 PM**

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Originally Posted by geoff's two cents

One problem: people like me who live close enough to most sport and concert venues that we don't need to use transit to attend them. Another problem: people who already have monthly transit passes.

That would've been the case for Olympic tickets as well, I live close to the stadiums and walked as well. The surcharge on the tickets wouldn't be the full fare it would be a discounted price, but yes it would be an extra charge to those that already have passes. Think of it as additional funding for Transit.

WarrenC12 · #**6148** Posted **Mar 29, 2010, 1:39 PM**

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Originally Posted by Spork

I say terminate it at Douglas and build a "T" if it needs to expand in the future. Even if it were to need to expand, that is easily 15-20 years out.

I can see LRT or some other rail transit within 10 years after Evergreen is built, but I'd suggest not even a T junction now. I think that's as far as Skytrain will ever need to go in that sector. Maybe 50 years out we'll be looking at something, but I'm sure it will fly and run on unicorn farts.

WarrenC12 · #**6149** Posted **Mar 29, 2010, 1:42 PM**

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Originally Posted by CLC

This is the part I don't understand. He should have supported BRT or rapid bus on Broadway, not the expensive LRT. BTW, I just read about the Portland-Milwaukie Light Rail extension (7.4miles, 1.42 billion) aims for completion in 2015. It seems as expensive as Canada Line on per mile basis

I think it's more about LRT in many areas, and the death of skytrain. I think it goes beyond "rail for the valley". But who knows, I'm not a psychiatrist, which is clearly what he needs.

There have been some very expensive LRT lines lately, including Seattle. Vancouver is not the prairies, and so I tend to think LRT in many areas around Metro Vancouver would be an expensive line too. We have built up land, water, and mountains/hills to deal with.

Whenever you bring up expensive LRT projects he brushes them off with some inane comment.

twoNeurons · #**6150** Posted **Mar 29, 2010, 6:04 PM**

The percentage of people living close enough to walk is relatively small.

Could be compared to the percentage of people who don't use the U-PASS but go to UBC.

The surcharge would likely be based on "additional" ridership. Given that most games are also non-peak, you'd probably be looking at a surcharge of somewhere around $1-$2.

CLC · #**6151** Posted **Mar 31, 2010, 10:05 PM**

Last day to buy cheap faresavers is today; however I know many 7-11 or LG around Vancouver East and Richmond have sold out

SpongeG · #**6152** Posted **Apr 1, 2010, 5:15 AM**

how much is the increase? is it like huge or something?

twoNeurons · #**6153** Posted **Apr 1, 2010, 6:08 AM**

About: 10% :
http://www.translink.ca/en/Fares-and-Passes/Fare-Increase.aspx

CLC · #**6154** Posted **Apr 1, 2010, 6:32 AM**

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Originally Posted by SpongeG

how much is the increase? is it like huge or something?

It can be huge if your family members together have to use like 30-50 faresavers per month.

1-zone faresavers (booklet of 10 tickets) $2 increase
2-zone faresavers (booklet of 10 tickets) $3 increase
3-zone faresavers (booklet of 10 tickets) $4 increase

mrjauk · #**6155** Posted **Apr 6, 2010, 7:51 PM**

Any updates on post-Olympic ridership levels for the C-Line? Downtown seems rather quiet these last few weeks.

WarrenC12 · #**6156** Posted **Apr 8, 2010, 7:06 PM**

New Transit Stats released today:

VANCOUVER (NEWS1130) - Two studies released this morning by TransLink are looking at how we get around the Lower Mainland...and habits are changing. But TransLink hopes they'll change even more.

The study shows the number of car trips has dropped more than four per cent since 2004, while transit trips have increased 16 per cent in the same time period. TransLink says this means it can achieve its goal of reducing single-occupant vehicle trips to fewer than half of all trips by 2040. The current number is 56 per cent.

TransLink's Drew Snider says the studies also validate planning done in the sub-region south of the Fraser River, where commuters for years have complained about bus service. "Increasingly, it (ridership) is going from one point south of the Fraser to another point south of the Fraser. Surrey within Surrey, Surrey to Langley, Surrey to Delta, that sort of thing. So, what we've been doing to address that has been increasing as much as we can service within that area."

A second study released today compares Metro Vancouver transit usage to other cities. For example, while 16.6 per cent of commuters here take transit, the number is over 22 per cent in Toronto. Montreal and Ottawa are also ahead of Greater Vancouver by significant margins.

However, Snider says comparing Metro Vancouver to those centres is difficult because our urban sprawl is different and those other cities have older, more developed transit systems.

http://www.news1130.com/news/local/artic...change-in-ridership-numbers-and-patterns

Zassk · #**6157** Posted **Apr 9, 2010, 4:41 PM**

Metro Vancouver commuters go green by travelling less
Lower Mainland residents make one million fewer trips per day, surveys show

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METRO VANCOUVER - Lower Mainland residents are choosing greener commuting options and tackling more tasks per trip, according to two TransLink surveys released Thursday.

There were 5.9-million total trips, in cars and on transit, bike and foot, recorded on a typical day in 2008 — about one million fewer than in 2004. The decline is a dramatic reversal of a decade-long trend in which the number of trips grew by about one million every five years.

From 2004 to 2008, driving as a mode of transportation declined by 3.8 percentage points, while other modes saw modest increases.

Biking and walking increased by 0.7 percentage points, taking transit increased by 1.7 points and travelling as a car passenger increased by 1.3 points.

The surveys, conducted over several months in the fall of 2008, offer insight into travel patterns of people in the Lower Mainland. TransLink uses the information to shape the region’s travel network and implement improvements.

The results follow TransLink initiatives such as TravelSmart and RideShare, which urge households to get around in a sustainable way.

“We’re just trying to get people to think about whether you need to be alone in that car, or whether you can take somebody else,” said TransLink spokesman Drew Snider.

“Getting people to do that is going to help us achieve the goal of less than 50 per cent driver-in-car trips by 2040.”

One of the surveys measured how many people passed through 33 critical points in Metro Vancouver’s transportation network, including Burrard Inlet, the SkyTrain west of Main Street and the Port Mann, Alex Fraser and Knight Street bridges.

At the same time, TransLink conducted its Regional Trip Diary survey, in which almost 18,000 households reported through telephone and mail-in surveys their commuting patterns, including how may trips they made in a 24-hour period, where they went, how they got there, and their purpose.

Survey data were only recently finalized, said Snider.

Looking solely at the percentage of work trips in the Lower Mainland, 16.6 per cent were made by transit, ranking fourth in Canada behind Metro Toronto (22.2 per cent), Montreal (21.4 per cent) and Ottawa-Gatineau (19.4 per cent).

Also among findings was a decrease in total trips per person per day. Lower Mainland residents averaged 2.65 in 2008, down from 3.42 in 2004, 3.04 in 1999 and 2.86 in 1994.

TransLink attributes the change to trip-chaining, where people run multiple errands all in one go.

A surprising find was the morning driving pattern among residents living south of the Fraser River. While surveyors expected most drivers during the morning rush to head toward Vancouver, they found the majority of trips took place within the same area.

In Surrey, for example, 70 per cent of morning peak period trips by car ended within the region, with only seven per cent of drivers travelling into Vancouver. “Rather than arrows pointing from Surrey, Langley, White Rock and Delta all into Vancouver, the arrows going every which way,” said Snider. “They were going Surrey to Surrey, Langley to Langley, Langley to Delta.”

http://www.vancouversun.com/Metro+Vancouver+commuters+green+travelling+less/2781167/story.html