YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by Overground

In regards to Sea-Tac. In 2008 their total passenger numbers were almost double that of YVR at 32m compared to YVR 17m.

International numbers are quite different. Sea-Tac had 2.9m while YVR had 8.4m international/transborder. Now the YVR number includes 4.3m transborder but I'm not sure if the Sea-Tac figure includes that.
Either way, without transborder flights out of YVR, it still has 4.1m international. Quite a number considering how much more passengers use Sea-Tac.

(In Vancouver's case, I thought that the aircraft movements included flights from the South Terminal: i.e; small planes serving very local destinations. I don't think that is the case at Sea-Tac, where the aircraft movements are mostly larger jets. Correct me if I'm wrong.)

But as you point out, the ratio of international travel out of Vancouver is considerably higher than out of Sea-Tac. To be fair, Sea-Tac has to compete with SFO and LAX for overseas flights, so probably a lot of flights go there (California) first, or else Sea-Tac passengers are obliged to change planes.

Vancouver is Canada's ONLY major city on the west coast, so it makes sense that overseas flights into this end of the country are concentrated here, resulting in a higher percentage of international / transborder flights.

Incidentally, 32m passengers per year is about the same as Toronto, and look at the vast ratio difference in domestic /transborder / overseas flights between Toronto and Seattle.

[Denscity]

News 1130 is reporting more flights from yvr to china on air china will be added. They mentioned they currently fly daily to beijing so a possible addition to this route? My radio is in another room so couldn't quite hear the whole report.

[Overground]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

(In Vancouver's case, I thought that the aircraft movements included flights from the South Terminal: i.e; small planes serving very local destinations. I don't think that is the case at Sea-Tac, where the aircraft movements are mostly larger jets. Correct me if I'm wrong.)

YVR movements include all runway/non-runway, general aviation, etc.
The Sea-Tac number I have includes all movements including GA, military, air taxi, etc.


Total movements(2008)

YVR - 339k

Sea-Tac - 345k (air carrier movements - 306,000. GA - 4,100)

[Overground]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

(In Vancouver's case, I thought that the aircraft movements included flights from the South Terminal: i.e; small planes serving very local destinations. I don't think that is the case at Sea-Tac, where the aircraft movements are mostly larger jets. Correct me if I'm wrong.)

YVR movements include all runway/non-runway, general aviation, etc.
The Sea-Tac number I have includes all movements including GA, military, air taxi, etc. But ya, as the figures below show for Sea-Tac, their GA flights are very small in number. YVR is considerably more I think....but I'll have to dig up the stats on that.


Total movements(2008)

YVR - 339k

Sea-Tac - 345k (air carrier movements - 306,000. GA - 4,100)

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by Overground

YVR movements include all runway/non-runway, general aviation, etc.
The Sea-Tac number I have includes all movements including GA, military, air taxi, etc. But ya, as the figures below show for Sea-Tac, their GA flights are very small in number. YVR is considerably more I think....but I'll have to dig up the stats on that.


Total movements(2008)

YVR - 339k

Sea-Tac - 345k (air carrier movements - 306,000. GA - 4,100)

please: what does GA mean? (sorry to be so uninformed)!!!!!

[Yume-sama]

General Aviation I'd assume

[cabotp]

Originally Posted by allan_kuan

The more I hear, the more I wish the government was less bureaucratic and more open to competition in areas like the airline industry.

On the other hand, I seriously doubt that anything will change so long as the Eastern provinces continue to get overwhelming representation compared to us in terms of government ministers and the like.

The only way we would get more representation is to increase our population ratio versus the eastern provinces. Representation is based on population. Ontario and Quebec have the highest population thus having the most representation.

So we just need to start procreating in the west and having 10 babies per family

[Yume-sama]

Originally Posted by cabotp

The only way we would get more representation is to increase our population ratio versus the eastern provinces. Representation is based on population. Ontario and Quebec have the highest population thus having the most representation.

So we just need to start procreating in the west and having 10 babies per family

Get a direct flight to Mumbai and open up immigration from India. Problem solved.

[Yume-sama]

Apparently another fee of between $2.50 (Canada) and $9 (International) is coming as of April 1st, on every ticket through YVR.

[mr.x]

^ lol, more YVR expansion plans?

[Yume-sama]

They didn't really explain However, it followed the story about a "temporary" $5 million terminal for March 1st, and the athletes being able to check their baggage at the Olympic Village, to be transported to YVR.

So far the numbers are nearly 40,000 passengers booked for March 1st. Current busiest day ever was 26,000.

[trofirhen]

Next week's issue of Busines in Vancouver // biz.van // is going to have an in-depth article about the loggerhead between airlines wanting to land at Vancouver and Calgary (in the case of Emirates) and the BC Minister of Transport, who has been working side-by-side with Emirates to get landing rights here; and the Feds, under Ontario boy John Baird, who keeps the number of UAE airlines restricted to six, so that they'll only serve the Toronto market.

Appently things between the Western provinces and Ottawa are heating up, and John Baird has been swamped with letters, calls and e-mails requesting a liberalization of air routes.

(Interesting that BC now has a Minister of Transport. I don't think that portfolio existed when I lived in Canada.)

[mr.x]

^ they are referring to the Minister of Transportation of the Government of British Columbia, who presides over the Ministry of Transportation and was historically responsible for BC Ferries, BC Rail, BC Transit, and now Translink. The current Minister of Transportation is Shirley Bond, former BC Minister of Education.

[SpongeG]

the increase in fees is not from YVR

Ottawa is collecting it at all airports in Canada for improved Airport Security

[Yume-sama]

Yes, the CTV news tonight actually explained this, unlike the earlier news, which just said it is coming to YVR... but not until after Olympic visitors leave.

I guess we're paying for the right to be digitally stripsearched.

[SpongeG]

i heard it on CKNW this afternoon - yay more fees - not like i travel haha

[jsbertram]

Originally Posted by SpongeG

the increase in fees is not from YVR

Ottawa is collecting it at all airports in Canada for improved Airport Security

This is a increased security fee at all airports to get $1.5 Billion to put the new nudie-scanners in airports across the country.

[Yume-sama]

Busy day at YVR!

Travel Service direct to Prague

http://www.flickr.com/photos/two-six_left/4400108071

Won't ever see this again Two Lufthansa side by side at YVR

http://www.flickr.com/photos/two-six_left/4400877162

Finnair to Helsinki in the background, AC777 to Paris taking off

http://www.flickr.com/photos/two-six_left/4400880464

Volunteers provided "entertainment" and drinks to passengers waiting in line to check-in at YVR through-out the day. To make their departing experience, as good as their Olympic experience

[SpongeG]

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[trofirhen]

This has been a great experience, globally speaking, and Canada, and the city of Vancouver will bask in an afterglow for a long time to come.

So now after the Para-Olympics are terminated, it will be gradually life back to normal. On with business as usual.
Regarding business......

An issue that arouse an an outgrowth of the Olympic experience was the high-profiling of the ongoing request of Emirates to fly to Vancouver and Calgary.

It was noted that part of the reason for the reful was that it would offend AC star alliace partner, Lufthansa, who felt that any flight to What could be served in The Middle East plus African and Asian destinations could and should be routed to Frankfurt, for a Lufthansa connector.

Having Emirates at YVR, (and anyone else who wants to start scheduled service), creates, as we know, hundreds of man-hours of work.

If that is the case, couldn't we have Emirates, in exchange for giving Lufthansa first dibs on a lucative Canada - EU route, under the Open Skies Agreement?

Or is it not done that way? (Perhaps a secret meeting of the respective airline representatives in a Geneva office building) ???