YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion - Page 118

trofirhen · #**2341** Posted **Feb 25, 2010, 4:38 AM**

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Originally Posted by SpongeG

Emirates to Fly Here?

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If Emirates, and other airlines outside the Canada-EU Open Skies agreement area, are not allowed access to Vancouver, they will simply do what Air France did.

They'll say "Fine, we'll go to Seattle instead." And Vancouver will lose not only hundreds of jobs, but YVR will be increasingly eclipsed by Seattle, and in addition, we"ll suffer as a tourist / business destination because of it.

When Lawrence Cannon was Minister of Transport under the Liberals (he was a boy from Gatineau) he did NOTHING for Vancouver or Western Canada in terms of expanding airline access.

Ditto John Baird (also from Ontario) who has been flooded with letters and emails on this topic, yet seems to refuse to want to budge. What to do?
Emirates could be invited to become a Star Alliance member, though that's highly unlikely.

So, if you care about maintaining YVR's status as a major international hub, about the only way would seem to be to "turn up the volume." Lobby hard, get out there, contact John Baird and the Ministry of Transport, kick, scream, and make as much noise as you can.

I don't want to see YVR fading, while Sea-Tac ramps up its flights and becomes the Pacific Northwest's major overseas destination.

Do you?

MalcolmTucker · #**2342** Posted **Feb 25, 2010, 4:50 AM**

Umm... doesn't Seatac already handle almost twice the pax as YVR?

Zassk · #**2343** Posted **Feb 25, 2010, 5:01 AM**

^ Those are mostly domestic "pax" in Sea-Tac, unlike YVR, isn't it?

trofirhen · #**2344** Posted **Feb 25, 2010, 5:08 AM**

^Yes, from what a YVR rep told me, the higher numbers of Seattle are mostly domestic. (Let's try and keep it that way. Get as many foreign carriers as we can)!!!

SpongeG · #**2345** Posted **Feb 25, 2010, 6:50 AM**

in the video the BC minister has said she has talked with Air China and Cathay and some other asian airlines this week as well - all wanting to get in here as well

trofirhen · #**2346** Posted **Feb 25, 2010, 8:14 AM**

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Originally Posted by SpongeG

in the video the BC minister has said she has talked with Air China and Cathay and some other asian airlines this week as well - all wanting to get in here as well

I thought they were already into Vancouver. Years ago they used to fly four times a week to HK. Did they pull out, too, like SQL ?????

If this is the case, we have to smarten up, cowboy up, and get agressive -- FAST !!!!

deasine · #**2347** Posted **Feb 25, 2010, 8:18 AM**

...As in getting more flights in to Vancouver.

SpongeG · #**2348** Posted **Feb 25, 2010, 10:07 AM**

yeah i think thats what she meant increased frequency if they are already here

in the story it says YVR can handle 30 more flights per day and they are hoping to get to that number

trofirhen · #**2349** Posted **Feb 25, 2010, 11:32 AM**

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Originally Posted by deasine

...As in getting more flights in to Vancouver.

Yes. More flights. More airlines. More destinations.

Millennium2002 · #**2350** Posted **Feb 25, 2010, 11:51 AM**

The more I hear, the more I wish the government was less bureaucratic and more open to competition in areas like the airline industry.

On the other hand, I seriously doubt that anything will change so long as the Eastern provinces continue to get overwhelming representation compared to us in terms of government ministers and the like.

trofirhen · #**2351** Posted **Feb 25, 2010, 12:00 PM**

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Originally Posted by allan_kuan

The more I hear, the more I wish the government was less bureaucratic and more open to competition in areas like the airline industry.

On the other hand, I seriously doubt that anything will change so long as the Eastern provinces continue to get overwhelming representation compared to us in terms of government ministers and the like.

That's exactly the essence of the whole thing. That's what it boils down to. Excellent point.

MalcolmTucker · #**2352** Posted **Feb 25, 2010, 12:33 PM**

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Originally Posted by allan_kuan

The more I hear, the more I wish the government was less bureaucratic and more open to competition in areas like the airline industry.

On the other hand, I seriously doubt that anything will change so long as the Eastern provinces continue to get overwhelming representation compared to us in terms of government ministers and the like.

Well, Emirates wants more slots in Toronto too, and is being denied. Does that make you happy?

trofirhen · #**2353** Posted **Feb 25, 2010, 4:38 PM**

At least they are being allowed into Toronto; Emirates and Etihad Airlines of Abu Dhabi.

It really boils down to what Allen said about the electorate base back east, and Air Canada's Star Alliance partners, like Lufthansa, fearing that a route from Vancouver/ Calgary to Dubai will siphon off connections from them (Star Alliance)

It's partly electoral, and partly a case of "you kiss my butt, and I'll kiss yours," in the context of airline alliances.

But it's not free market, it's not competitive, it's restrictive, and unfair. And jobs are being lost as a result, to boot.

MalcolmTucker · #**2354** Posted **Feb 25, 2010, 5:13 PM**

^ They aren't being 'let' into Toronto. UAE has six slots a week, they can go to any city they want to. They want to go to Toronto. In fact, the UAE just linked extending Canada's lease on a military base there to getting 14 slots a week to use to service Toronto.

trofirhen · #**2355** Posted **Feb 25, 2010, 5:31 PM**

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Originally Posted by Sir.Humphrey.Appleby

^ They aren't being 'let' into Toronto. UAE has six slots a week, they can go to any city they want to. They want to go to Toronto. In fact, the UAE just linked extending Canada's lease on a military base there to getting 14 slots a week to use to service Toronto.

Excuse me, but I don't understand. If UAE (I presume you mean Emirates) can go into any city in Canada that they want to, then why aren't they already flying into Vancouver and Calgary, as they have oft requested? Maybe I'm backwards, but regarding your response; I just don't get it.

MalcolmTucker · #**2356** Posted **Feb 25, 2010, 5:47 PM**

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Originally Posted by trofirhen

Excuse me, but I don't understand. If UAE (I presume you mean Emirates) can go into any city in Canada that they want to, then why aren't they already flying into Vancouver and Calgary, as they have oft requested? Maybe I'm backwards, but regarding your response; I just don't get it.

They can fly to any city. They just only have 6 flights a week to serve all of Canada. All 6 slots are currently serving Toronto by choice of Emirates and Etihad.

trofirhen · #**2357** Posted **Feb 25, 2010, 6:07 PM**

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Originally Posted by Sir.Humphrey.Appleby

They can fly to any city. They just only have 6 flights a week to serve all of Canada. All 6 slots are currently serving Toronto by choice of Emirates and Etihad.

That's normal, considering that Toronto is by far the largest and most important city in the country. What is NOT normal is that silly six flights a week clause. Thank you for the clarification.

sacrifice333 · #**2358** Posted **Feb 25, 2010, 6:09 PM**

CanadaLine will be open 24 hrs Feb28 to March 1

Overground · #**2359** Posted **Feb 25, 2010, 6:23 PM**

In regards to Sea-Tac. In 2008 their total passenger numbers were almost double that of YVR at 32m compared to YVR 17m.

International numbers are quite different. Sea-Tac had 2.9m while YVR had 8.4m international/transborder. Now the YVR number includes 4.3m transborder but I'm not sure if the Sea-Tac figure includes that.
Either way, without transborder flights out of YVR, it still has 4.1m international. Quite a number considering how much more passengers use Sea-Tac.

Zassk · #**2360** Posted **Feb 25, 2010, 6:23 PM**

^ Yes, that was mentioned previously. I wonder if YVR contributed funds toward this, or if Vanoc is footing the whole bill. It would be in YVR's best interest to have the line running on this particular night.