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they can't do much they arrested but have to set em free - the police guy said they can't really charge them apaprently
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so now the police are the ones behind the masks who started the riot?

is this what the poster of this video is trying to say?

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I like it when the "protesters" are trying to record everything the cops do, but chasing and threatening media recording them.
     
     
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I thought newspaper boxes were all being removed for the Olympics.. where are they finding them?
Good question. Kind of like other broken promises from the city: "remove trash bins from Yaletown" and "put in one westbound lane on Georgia between Beatty and Cambie"...
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To be honest. I don't think the police should treat them roughly at all. It just perpetuates the message that the police are the problem.

Take them down, sure. Arrest them. But don't go even one iota beyond that. RCMP already have a bad enough reputation. Remember, the police are not enforcers. They are to serve and protect.

The best way to prove the protesters wrong is to not act back in kind.

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they can't do much they arrested but have to set em free - the police guy said they can't really charge them apaprently
What exactly is the point of arresting a criminal if you have to then release them without charge? The criminals will just know their behaviour won't have any repercussions, so they'll just go out and commit more crimes.

Shame on the protestors.

But also it's embarrassing that the law is so lame that you can videotape somebody blatantly committing the crime, surrounded by hundreds of witnesses, yet the law is so toothless that the person can walk away
     
     
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What exactly is the point of arresting a criminal if you have to then release them without charge? The criminals will just know their behaviour won't have any repercussions, so they'll just go out and commit more crimes.

Shame on the protestors.

But also it's embarrassing that the law is so lame that you can videotape somebody blatantly committing the crime, surrounded by hundreds of witnesses, yet the law is so toothless that the person can walk away
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2/15/2010

The BC Civil Liberties Association is in damage control mode after they did not attend a violent weekend confrontation between police and protesters - some of whom smashed store windows and assaulted members of the media.

David Eby, the Executive Director of the group, said someone from the Olympic Resistance Network asked them not to send legal observers to Saturday's protest. There was fear that the footage they captured could later be used by police against the protesters.

Eby said as far as they knew, this was not an Olympic Resistance Network demonstration as they were concered for their legal observers' safety.

"We knew that this was a more aggressive type of protest and we didn't want to send them into a position where there would be a confrontation between organizers and our legal observers saying, 'Get outta here! What are you going here? We told you not to come here,' or some kind of physical confrontation. It just wasn't worth it, and so we decided not to send people."

Eby admits they should have been there.
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To be honest. I don't think the police should treat them roughly at all. It just perpetuates the message that the police are the problem.

Take them down, sure. Arrest them. But don't go even one iota beyond that. RCMP already have a bad enough reaction. Remember, the police are not enforcers. They are to serve and protect.

The best way to prove the protesters wrong is to not act back in kind.
Yes... now is the time for the police to maintain the moral high ground, which they certainly have at this point. Hats off to Jim Chu.
     
     
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David Eby, the Executive Director of the group, said someone from the Olympic Resistance Network asked them not to send legal observers to Saturday's protest.
Why am I not surprised? They don't want anyone documenting them doing stupid things.

And why on Earth would they listen and not send someone?
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To be honest. I don't think the police should treat them roughly at all. It just perpetuates the message that the police are the problem.

Take them down, sure. Arrest them. But don't go even one iota beyond that. RCMP already have a bad enough reaction. Remember, the police are not enforcers. They are to serve and protect.

The best way to prove the protesters wrong is to not act back in kind.
That's true, I didn't try to mean police assaulting the protesters, just not put up with any violence from them towards the police officers. But Canada's Laws really are a problem for something like what happened in the video.

I really would love to see a whole day with no reports on any protest no matter where or what it is. Global today... Did they really have to show the protest on the Cambie bridge this morning? NO! It didn't even affect traffic on the bridge, so why was it on the news. Same thing at Hastings @ Carrall at noon today, it didn't cause any problems, so stop showing them. (I do wonder though, that in Global's case, they can't show any Olympic highlights, so maybe showing protests is there way of saying f*** you IOC for there stupid copyright laws.)
     
     
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What exactly is the point of arresting a criminal if you have to then release them without charge? The criminals will just know their behaviour won't have any repercussions, so they'll just go out and commit more crimes.

Shame on the protestors.

But also it's embarrassing that the law is so lame that you can videotape somebody blatantly committing the crime, surrounded by hundreds of witnesses, yet the law is so toothless that the person can walk away
people can be arrested without being charged - they often do that to drunk rowdy people - lock em up for the night and let em go the next day

video evidence is useless in court - at our building we have video camera surveilance and there was a break in the parkade once and they could see the people in the parkade doing their stuff and the police came and said that they couldn't use the video as it would be thrown out even though it shows these people committing the crimes
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I really would love to see a whole day with no reports on any protest no matter where or what it is. Global today... Did they really have to show the protest on the Cambie bridge this morning? NO! It didn't even affect traffic on the bridge, so why was it on the news. Same thing at Hastings @ Carrall at noon today, it didn't cause any problems, so stop showing them. (I do wonder though, that in Global's case, they can't show any Olympic highlights, so maybe showing protests is there way of saying f*** you IOC for there stupid copyright laws.)
Whoa whoa... now you're getting to the reason why some protesters destroy things. The peaceful, non-interruptive protests like the bridge and Carrall St. are the ones that should be covered. Give them a 30 second interview. That is what we should be encouraging...
     
     
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people can be arrested without being charged - they often do that to drunk rowdy people - lock em up for the night and let em go the next day

video evidence is useless in court - at our building we have video camera surveilance and there was a break in the parkade once and they could see the people in the parkade doing their stuff and the police came and said that they couldn't use the video as it would be thrown out even though it shows these people committing the crimes
It comes down to ID. Is the video good enough to 100 percent id someone? In this case, with them wearing masks, the video is of little use. It would be easier to lay a weapons charge or resist arrest charge, which are actually more serious than mischief to a window.

Standard for laying a charge in BC is very high. There has to be "substantial likelihood of conviction." Arrest and charge not the same thing. Arrest is simply the removal of ones freedoms. Charge is the laying of an information by the crown which is the formal charging mechanism.
     
     
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people can be arrested without being charged - they often do that to drunk rowdy people - lock em up for the night and let em go the next day

video evidence is useless in court - at our building we have video camera surveilance and there was a break in the parkade once and they could see the people in the parkade doing their stuff and the police came and said that they couldn't use the video as it would be thrown out even though it shows these people committing the crimes
It comes down to ID. Is the video good enough to 100 percent id someone? In this case, with them wearing masks, the video is of little use. It would be easier to lay a weapons charge or resist arrest charge, which are actually more serious than mischief to a window.

Standard for laying a charge in BC is very high. There has to be "substantial likelihood of conviction." Arrest and charge not the same thing. Arrest is simply the removal of ones freedoms. Charge is the laying of an information by the crown which is the formal charging mechanism.
     
     
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Three charged after march turns violent

Protesters to erect tent city in further anti-Olympic activity

By Doug Ward and Rebecca Lindell; With files from Jonathan Fowlie, Vancouver Sun


Anti-Olympic protesters held a huge demonstration and took to Vancouver streets as the Games got under way.
Photograph by: Ji, Yu Seok, Special to the Vancouver Sun


Anti-Olympic protests are set to continue today with activists planning to erect a tent city in the Downtown Eastside to bring attention to homelessness in Vancouver's inner city.

Protesters linked to the far-left Olympic Resistance Network are planning to march from Pigeon Park at Hastings and Carrall and then set up tents at an undisclosed location. Organizers have said that activists will join homeless people in the tents.

Vancouver city councillors have said they support tents as a symbolic means of protest but are opposed to them becoming overnight living quarters because of health and safety risks.

At the same time the Pivot Legal Society, in a separate action and with the permission of the police, is hanging a large banner off the Cambie street bridge that will face the Olympic village and read "HOMES FOR ALL."

Pivot Legal executive director John Richardson said Sunday that the joint RCMP-VPD Integrated Security Unit gave a green light to the banner, which is part of Pivot's "Red Tent" campaign to bring attention to the need for a national housing strategy in Canada for homeless people.

"The fact that the police are allowing this message to get out is a message in itself. Every officer who walked a beat knows first-hand the challenge of homelessness. This is a problem everyone wants to have solved," Richardson said in a media statement.

While the Vancouver police department is allowing legitimate protest, it is proceeding with charges against three protesters involved in the "Heart Attack March" that turned violent in downtown Vancouver on Saturday morning.

The three people charged, according to a VPD media release, are:

- Daniel Frederick Myers, 22, from Shoreline, Wash., who is charged with possession of a dangerous weapon and possession of a prohibited weapon. Myers is being detained relating to an immigration matter.

- Charlotte Christine Hannah, 23, of Vancouver, who is charged with assaulting a peace officer.

- Willow Violet Louise Riley, 18, who is charged with assaulting a peace officer.

Two other men and two women in their late 20s were taken to jail for breach of the peace and released Saturday evening.

At the Saturday march, protesters, some of them masked, threw objects at police, spray-painted cars and transit buses, and intimidated pedestrians as they streamed west along Georgia Street past Granville, said police spokeswoman Jana McGuinness.

The protesters also broke store windows, including the Bay's.

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Okay, get ready for this. From the Vancouver Observer website:


Setting the Record Straight on Violent Protest and the Olympics
Nat Marshik

“Will you go on record denouncing violent protest?”


You can bet that any member of the Olympic Resistance Network, and most anyone publicly opposed to the Olympics, has heard that question at least once -- whether it's from newscasters, neighbors, family, or co-workers. In the lead-up to the Anti-Olympic Convergence in Vancouver this February, it's understandable that people want some solid answers.


Unfortunately, they are asking trick questions.


The concept of violent protest is linguistic smoke and mirrors. Not only are most so-called “violent protests” actually instances of police violence, but the term “violent protest” has been over-used by headline-hungry media to the point of meaninglessness. Ask someone to define it and they hem and haw. Some will point to images of black-clad youth with covered faces, shouting slogans in the streets. People like Liberal MLA Harry Bloy will point to “noisy” and “inconvenient” demonstrations like the one at the Victoria Torch Relay kick-off, and will throw in the moniker “terrorist” for good measure.


Others speak anxiously of property destruction, dragging out the tired broken-windows cliché (a rarity at most demonstrations). At best, someone might dig up an example, like the smattering of anonymous arson attacks against the unoccupied buildings of RBC, an Olympic sponsor and financier of the Alberta Tar Sands.


The greatest commonality between these remarkably diverse scenarios is perhaps the fact that in none of them did protesters target human or animal life. This begs the question: What really constitutes violence, and which kinds of violence go unnamed? Ironically, groups like the Olympic Resistance Network oppose the Olympic industry precisely because the Olympics are destructive, violent and disruptive. While the corporate media trumpets headlines about possible “protester violence” as an apologia for police repression, the real perpetrators of violence fly right under the radar.


Take Bud Mercer, for example – the “top cop” in charge of the Vancouver Integrated Security Unit. In 1995, Mercer participated in a paramilitary operation against Ts'peten activists occupying a Sun Dance site near Gustafsen Lake – in other words, against people occupying their own land. In 1997, he pepper-sprayed UBC students protesting the APEC Summit. In 2000, Mercer cut cables to the tree-sit platforms of environmental activists in the Elaho Valley (the activists were saved by back-up cables and branches below them). Doesn't this all seem a bit, well... violent?


Or take the clear-cutting associated with Olympic land development. Since trees are living organisms and not privately owned, there has been precious little uproar over the 100 000 of them that have been logged from critical habitat at Eagleridge Bluffs, Whistler, Skwelkwek’welt (Sun Peaks) and in the Callaghan Valley.


But if setting fire to a single building is a criminal act, what about razing a forest? If concern about “broken windows” is genuine, where was the outcry during the demolition of social housing at Little Mountain last November? The City of Vancouver shattered at least a couple thousand panes of glass, not to mention a vibrant community and over 200 low-income housing units. I have yet to witness a protest as ambitious.


Perhaps this month, while waiting hours for over-burdened transit or idling in Olympic gridlock, Vancouverites will find time to ruminate on the true meaning of “disruption.” Perhaps, after the thousandth tale of police brutality in the Downtown Eastside, we will begin to address the real meaning of “violence.” Or perhaps, on witnessing the scale of ecological devastation on unceded indigenous lands, some well-heeled tourist will have a momentary understanding of “destruction.”
Remind me again who we are denouncing?



http://www.vancouverobserver.com/politic...rd-straight-violent-protest-and-olympics
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Whoa whoa... now you're getting to the reason why some protesters destroy things. The peaceful, non-interruptive protests like the bridge and Carrall St. are the ones that should be covered. Give them a 30 second interview. That is what we should be encouraging...
I can't agree with you at all on that. During the actual games I just believe that absolutely no one actually cares about the protesters. Most people would walk by them, and not give a second look. Before the games, protesters could say what they want, and I actually agreed with half of what they were saying. But during the time where the Olympics are taking place, they don't need publicity, since no one actually cares that they are there. They won't accomplish anything at all, except piss Event go'ers/party go'ers off by being in the way and disrupting everything.
*I was against the Olympics coming before, because of how expensive they were, but they have transformed Vancouver into a surreal place. It's amazing, and was actually worth it.
     
     
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i've come to understand that poverty in Vancouver is big business and there are many people out there who are keen to keep it that way no matter how much money is spent on the issue.

ever notice that there's never any actual homeless people in any of these "protests". i mean, it is for their interests no?
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i've come to understand that poverty in Vancouver is big business and there are many people out there who are keen to keep it that way no matter how much money is spent on the issue.

ever notice that there's never any actual homeless people in any of these "protests". i mean, it is for their interests no?
For sure. I know a few people who participate in these things. They have decent jobs, homes, university educations (this is key, as SFU and UBC are breeding grounds for this type of protester) and were raised in middle class suburbia.

Somebody on the radio was much more eloquent than I, but essentially there is a large group that has a vested interest in keeping the DTES the way it is, an eyesore that they can bitch and moan about.

They constantly blame "government" and "big business". You think the government wants to keep throwing money away into this pit? Do you think businesses want these people here? Of course not, they want them with jobs buying things in their store.
     
     
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