Metro Vancouver Transit Discussion

[mr.x]

Originally Posted by tGill

If you can't get people on and off the trains quickly, it wont matter what capacity the trains are.

Agreed. There are not enough doors on the trains and they're not wide enough.

4-car Mark I: 320-passengers; 8-doors
2-car Mark II: 260-passengers; 6-doors
2-car ROTEM: 334-passengers; 6-doors

Retrofitting the ROTEM's interior seating arrangement to side seating only would also drastically improve passenger flow in/out and would increase capacity.


With the future C-car on the Canada Line, the car would most definitely need 2 doors on each side.

[Metro-One]

Trust me, I have been in really crowded subways before, the Canada Line to me still feels nice and open (and yes, I am talking about both the trains and stations).

You can easily move a 3 car train load of passengers on and off / in and out in 90 second intervals. Not to mention at most stations the majority of the passengers ride through.

I honestly think it is of no true concern and entry / exit upgrades can be performed at the same time as the 10 meter station lengthening.

[Metro-One]

Originally Posted by mr.x

Agreed. There are not enough doors on the trains and they're not wide enough.

4-car Mark I: 320-passengers; 8-doors
2-car Mark II: 260-passengers; 6-doors
2-car ROTEM: 334-passengers; 6-doors

Retrofitting the ROTEM's interior seating arrangement to side seating only would also drastically improve passenger flow in/out and would increase capacity.


With the future C-car on the Canada Line, the car would most definitely need 2 doors on each side.

The middle C-cars are designed with 2 doors, and at 50 meters all doors on the trains are accessible to the platform.

Again, if there are station attendants on the platforms at the 3 terminus stations, things will be fine.

[Yume-sama]

We need loud music and buzzers to inform people that their time is running out, so quit taking their sweet time!

Just watch the first minute or so
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This is quite calm actually, some do have loud sirens (particularly the Shinkansen), rather than a nice friendly jingle.

Here we go:
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[mr.x]

^ loll...i think a countdown would be more appropriate for Vancouver...or they might opt to hold on the doors instead in defiance of not being told what to do.

[paradigm4]

Originally Posted by deasine

You are getting an Expo Line Extension along with a few RapidBus routes, not that they are coming soon enough.

Not true. You and I both know that "promise" is nothing but lip service to the South Fraser area, especially considering Falcon is no longer Minister to push for such an expansion. Broadway will happen way before Surrey ever gets real rapid transit.

Unless there's political will and money set aside, like with Evergreen, then you can't say "you are getting".

[deasine]

Like I said earlier, the Evergreen Line will get built and is already continuing into the detailed design phase despite the fact that there is no money, as pointed out by Stepheen Rees. This is how rapid transit works in Vancouver. Stupid. But it's a fact.

At least they are considering better rapid transit options for the South of Fraser by implementing the study. I just hope it's not just SkyTrain extension, but LRT routes as well.

[twoNeurons]

Surrey is well laid out for rapid bus or LRT, that's for sure. With about the same population as Vancouver proper, it could use a boost in transit, too.

[usog]

Originally Posted by deasine

You are getting an Expo Line Extension along with a few RapidBus routes, not that they are coming soon enough.

Rapidbus for surrey got canceled, Expo extension is not a certainty at this point. Although it's a question of when not whether or not, when might be quite far out. Honestly, I think surrey is shafted pretty hard by translink.

[invisibleairwaves]

Oh, man. I forgot about the RapidBus from Walnut Grove that was going to go in once they finish all the Hwy 1/PMB work. Did that seriously get mothballed?

[BCPhil]

Originally Posted by invisibleairwaves

Oh, man. I forgot about the RapidBus from Walnut Grove that was going to go in once they finish all the Hwy 1/PMB work. Did that seriously get mothballed?

No, it's the King George B Line that got mothballed.

[cabotp]

Originally Posted by The_Henry_Man

Does this calculation take into the account of the increase of the train frequencies? If it doesn't, then looks like it potentially can carry up to 180,000 per day at frequencies of 90s on the main branch and 3min on the YVR/Richmond spurs. I suppose if there' 18 trains in service simultaneously, the C-Line's train frequency should be around 2-3min (main branch)/4-6min (YVR-Richmond)?

I think the C-Line definitely has the capacity and capability to absorb 200,000 riders per day, when extra trains are acquired in the future and platforms expanded to 50min for all stations.

Well I assumed a frequency of 3 mins on the main line 6 mins on the branches. Now in one directions that gives a potential of 8,000 pphpd. So if it runs from 5am to 1am (20hours). That is about 160,000 in one direction. Of course if the same number of people go in the other direction at the same time it could be just under 340,000. This of course is assuming it is packed full at 400 people / train all day long. Which would never happen.

[nname]

Well, Translink does says that later this year, they'll cancel the 4.5% lowest performing service and reinvest the resource into above-average performing routes... so guess which ones that will be canceled and which one would expand? I'm pretty sure the two routes near my home would be in that 4.5%...

[CLC]

lineup to use ticket machine

(http://twitter.com/VancouverPhotos)

[cabotp]

Was there any particular reason for this. Or did everyone in Downtown who needs to buy a ticket. Suddenly decide to all go at the exact same time.

Thank fully I have a pass.

[SpongeG]

I was at olympic village station today and had to wait a bit for a machine all three were busy and all 3 had at least one or two people waiting to use them and that was Olympic Village!

[The_Henry_Man]

Originally Posted by mr.x

^ loll...i think a countdown would be more appropriate for Vancouver...or they might opt to hold on the doors instead in defiance of not being told what to do.

I think the C-Line should be fine the way it is, especially when they have the Mitron LED board with the time showing when the train would depart (you see people rushing into the trains A LOT at Richmond-Brighouse especially when it is about to leave). However, that countdown would be totally needed for the E/M-Lines though. That, or upgrade their old LED board with the Mitron ones. I wonder how much it'll cost upgrading all the old LED boards from the E/M-Lines to the C-Line ones.

[Gordon]

the LED boards on the E & M lines shoulld be upgraded, because the ones in some of the above ground stations ( Stadium & Main) are difficult to read -on bright\ sunny days-unless you are cose to them.

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by paradigm4

Not true. You and I both know that "promise" is nothing but lip service to the South Fraser area, especially considering Falcon is no longer Minister to push for such an expansion. Broadway will happen way before Surrey ever gets real rapid transit.

Unless there's political will and money set aside, like with Evergreen, then you can't say "you are getting".

There's no money and not a lot of political will for the UBC Extension, so why do you say that will happen first?

Personally I think the UBC Extension should be the region's priority after Evergreen, but I can understand for political reasons if they decide to invest in Surrey with some LRT lines and/or Skytrain expansion.

For the record I live in Vancouver but personally would make little to no use of a UBC extension.

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by BCPhil

No, it's the King George B Line that got mothballed.

Does anybody know what the cost of this was? I'm in favour of it, but IIRC, Scott Road station is already at 100% capacity during rush hour. Jamming more people on Skytrain won't help unless the Expo line gets more capacity.