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Old Posted Jan 25, 2010, 4:27 AM
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but thats what everyone looks like in surrey
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Old Posted Jan 25, 2010, 5:05 AM
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she is 35? really? she looks 50 at least - crack head
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Old Posted Jan 25, 2010, 5:33 AM
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The best part for me is how this crack head ran out of gas, which is believable. Now she wanted to get to the skytrain station. Ok that is believable. But she needed a ride to go a short distance. Now that I don't believe. She was born with two feet she should use them. Too many people are far too lazy when it comes to walking. And too many people fall for such a sob story.
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 25, 2010, 9:04 AM
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By Michael Goldberg, Special to the Sun
January 18, 2010

Finances once again plague Trans-Link. Despite more than $7 billion invested in public transit, Trans-Link has little ability to pay for capital or operating expenses and earn a return for British Columbians. The TransLink board is forced to reduce desired service levels and expansion plans to meet this financial stress.

Relatively simple and proven solutions abound in dozens of cities around the world. The tools to implement these solutions unfortunately are not within TransLink's limited powers, resting largely with the province. For TransLink to prosper it needs greater powers to meet its responsibilities and expectations.

In successful transit systems, transit is planned and operated as part of an integrated urban transportation system. Transportation and land-use planning and development are closely integrated and often within the same agency. Given this integration, transit-transportation agencies usually have broad powers to set transit fees and road tolls to balance the real costs borne by automobile and transit users. Many have significant powers over land use and urban development adjacent to stations, which provides: the ability to share in the increased land values that result from higher accessibility and land values near stations; large pools of riders who live, work and shop in transit-linked dense development; and strong rental income for transit operators by leasing station property to retail and service businesses. Finally, most have powers to borrow for capital needs.

TransLink has none of these powers and cannot appropriate the associated financial benefits that they bring. It exists in an environment with very limited supportive zoning and development planning around stations by municipalities (especially Vancouver). Ridership and revenue fall well below what they can be, resulting in financial stress.

Let's explore the benefits to transit financing and service levels if Trans-Link were given the following two key powers: to set transit fees and road tolls to balance the real costs borne by automobile and transit users; and to set land use and zoning adjacent to stations. To understand the importance of these, let's see what happens because TransLink does not have these powers.

The inability to set transit fees and road tolls means transit riders pay virtually the full cost of the transit services they use, but automobile users pay much less, especially considering the congestion and pollution costs they impose and the subsidies they receive from free streets and roads. Transit thus operates at a considerable cost disadvantage and the ability to switch automobile users to more environmentally sound and land-use conserving transit is severely hampered. The playing field is not level; it's tilted against transit in an era of increasing concern about sprawl, congestion and greenhouse gases. Conclusion: TransLink needs the ability to set tolls on roads, particularly tolls that vary with peak demand, to help manage automobile and highway use and put transit on an even cost footing.

Next consider the inability of Trans-Link to set land use and zoning adjacent to stations. Most transit stations, especially those in Vancouver, are surrounded by low-density land uses, producing low ridership levels and tax revenues. There are good examples of station-area density in Burnaby: Metrotown and Patterson are notable but still densify less than half of the optimum station impact area. Emerging station-area development in Surrey City Centre, New Westminster's core and Richmond City Centre with the Canada Line are still works in progress and unable as yet to have a positive impact for TransLink.

Turning to the worst examples of station area development, Vancouver tops the list: Commercial and Broadway is the worst, Oakridge close behind, and the supposedly "densified" Cambie and Broadway is also ludicrously underdeveloped despite exceptional transit access and ridership potential.

The opportunity costs of not having higher densities are high: less flexible land uses and lower ridership. Without a larger customer base, a financially unsustainable TransLink results, as does continued sprawl development, decreased housing affordability, inefficient urban form, congestion and pollution -- all creating a region less conducive to attracting businesses and talent for the future, leading to decreased global competitiveness from high internal transportation and real property costs.

Potential benefits from granting TransLink needed powers are equally high, including: an added tax base through higher density; compact, efficient urban form and low servicing costs; added toll revenues while shifting auto users to transit; greatly increased ridership and fare box revenue; and a more economically and ecologically sustainable region.

We have not seized the opportunities TransLink created, while simultaneously imperilling its finances. We need to equip TransLink with the powers to succeed and do it quickly given long planning and development lags in transportation and property development.

The future can and should be rosy. The needed changes exist in hundreds of cities globally.

There is nothing scary that we have to do -- we have already densified successfully and have lots of successful models to borrow.

Michael Goldberg is at the Sauder School of Business at the University of British Columbia.

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I really think people should be paying more attention to this article, this guy makes a lot of sense... hmmm maybe he should be in charge of transit planning. He points out the reasons that Translink is failing. I know a lot of people will hate the idea but it is probably time that metro Vancouver brought in road tolls as well as things like congestion charges. Right now people who drive are much more heavily subsidized then transit users as they do not pay for the hugely expensive pieces of infrastructure that they drive on, if they can increase the costs of driving to cost neutral, then the government will have more money to spend of other infrastructure like transit. Also if they bring drivings cost and transit cost to a more accurate playing field then I think you will see huge spikes in transit use. The most important point this guy makes though is that Translink should be able to help to determine what type of development is to be built in and around its stations, if the province and municipalites could actually figure how to control development then transit use in metro Vancouver could actually dare I say it.........become sustainable
Yeah, lets create a fourth (or is it 5th) level of government with sweeping powers over the people in this region.

Yes, Transit is hugely important in society, but so are checks and balances. Health Authorities can't levie taxes, and BC Hydro and even Terasen have to apply for price changes through regulators.

Translink does have the powers to do this... through our elected representatives at the city, provincial, and federal level. We have politicians in place, that answer to voters, who can do this. The province can institute road tolls, and the various cities can zone land around transit stations. The powers exist, they just rest with our actual elected representatives. We don't need to give businessmen and bureaucrats direct power to pilfer the public for their own needs.

Also, roads are much more heavily subsidized than transit because they are much more heavily used.
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 25, 2010, 10:31 AM
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speaking cracky woman there is one who is always at lougheed station i think shes a professional i was waiting for a friend there one day and she came up to me twice asking me i f was lost and i was like no than she came back again and asked if i needed any help - and than another time i saw her chatting up some dude she is always there chatting to men - avoid her...
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Old Posted Jan 25, 2010, 4:33 PM
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but [that's] what everyone looks like in [Surrey]
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When one points a finger... there are three pointing back at oneself.

I'm getting so sick of the rhetoric on this board about Surrey. This is not a personal attack on you, ww. I'm seeing it a lot recently and I just don't get it. Every city has its DES, so what's the big deal.
     
     
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When one points a finger... there are three pointing back at oneself.

I'm getting so sick of the rhetoric on this board about Surrey. This is not a personal attack on you, ww. I'm seeing it a lot recently and I just don't get it. Every city has its DES, so what's the big deal.
It's hard to tell which are jokes and which are serious. Do people really think that way? Kind of disturbing level of ignorance, to be honest.

A lot of confirmation bias going on. Something happens in Surrey, it's yet more proof of what a s***hole it is. Something happens anywhere else, no snarky comment.
     
     
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Guys I think it's fairly clear the worst neighbourhood in Metro Van is the DTES, and the 2nd worst is Whalley/North Surrey. Facts are facts.

I'm not sure what the 3rd is, but it's a distant 3rd. Does that mean all of Surrey is a hole? Of course not, just the same way that Vancouver isn't. Now relax.
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 25, 2010, 7:08 PM
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So does anyone know what happened last night with the skytrain. I was on my way back home when I heard there was a medical emergency at metrotown, they stopped my train in the middle of the tracks and then sent me back to Joyce-Collingwood. Anyway the finally did get the trains back up and running after about a half hour, I heard some kid got dragged by a train or something.
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 25, 2010, 7:18 PM
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Come on, every city has their sketchy areas. Downtown Mission has some sketchy people.

But you have to admit, Surrey tends to have more people who fit the stereotypes people joke about. Druggies, check. Prostitutes, check. Trash, check. Easy lays, check. 4'-6" tall 13 year old ringleader at Newton Exchange, check.
     
     
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Man I got distracted by all this off-topic stuff that I forgot to mention what I originally came to this thread to talk about:

Skytrain car 148 still has the old pre-Canada Line route map... but somehow I like that map way better. I like the proportional representation of the routes.
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 26, 2010, 1:09 AM
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So does anyone know what happened last night with the skytrain. I was on my way back home when I heard there was a medical emergency at metrotown, they stopped my train in the middle of the tracks and then sent me back to Joyce-Collingwood. Anyway the finally did get the trains back up and running after about a half hour, I heard some kid got dragged by a train or something.
I'm told someone decided to suicide, at least according to the angry bus driver.
     
     
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thats pretty common they always say a medical or police incident
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From what I've heard on the radio, he fell after the train went by and had minor injuries...it sounds like an accident.

Has there ever been a case where someone has touched the third rail?
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 26, 2010, 1:31 AM
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Guys I think it's fairly clear the worst neighbourhood in Metro Van is the DTES, and the 2nd worst is Whalley/North Surrey. Facts are facts.

I'm not sure what the 3rd is, but it's a distant 3rd. Does that mean all of Surrey is a hole? Of course not, just the same way that Vancouver isn't. Now relax.
Wrong.
Whalley isn't even the worst place in Surrey. Ask the cops they'll tell you Newton is. It has been for quite a while.
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 26, 2010, 1:34 AM
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Guys I think it's fairly clear the worst neighbourhood in Metro Van is the DTES, and the 2nd worst is Whalley/North Surrey. Facts are facts.

I'm not sure what the 3rd is, but it's a distant 3rd. Does that mean all of Surrey is a hole? Of course not, just the same way that Vancouver isn't. Now relax.
I'd say Haney. It's pretty drugged up as well.
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Guys I think it's fairly clear the worst neighbourhood in Metro Van is the DTES, and the 2nd worst is Whalley/North Surrey. Facts are facts.

I'm not sure what the 3rd is, but it's a distant 3rd. Does that mean all of Surrey is a hole? Of course not, just the same way that Vancouver isn't. Now relax.
What facts are you referring to?

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this is super off topic, but i'd say maple ridge is the worst. it has that mix of scumbags, highly ugly surroundings and white hicks, the holy bc trinity. true story: my brother was once walking down the street in maple ridge (literally, on the street, since there are no sidewalks) on a saturday afternoon when a truck stopped and the occupants, these whites, jumped out robbed him of his jacket. he wasn't carrying his wallet, which he made clear. they said something like "alright, give us your jacket or you'll get a beating". then they just tore off in the truck. i couldn't imagine anything like that happening in the dtes. most of the violent crime there is lowlife on lowlife, cop on lowlife, or lowlife on cop.

the dtes has to change, it's not nice now and it's annoying going down there. but it's a different vibe there altogther. in the dtes, you have folks who are basically decent with mental health issues that end up as drug issues as they self medicate, and drug issues that end up as criminal justice issues as they try to keep themselves going. it really just takes something like an alcoholic cousin to get what's going on with these folks. but you go out to maple ridge or newton or parts of new westminster and the people are actually just really mean, like just vicious, hard-hearted people. i'd take the dtes over that any day.
     
     
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I won't get into which areas are worse then others, but I have to admit both my wife and myself feel safer in the dtes then we did in our previous home. She doesn't have any concerns about leaving for the airport or work at 5am or coming home after midnight.

Lets try to get back on topic though. I noticed this weekend that the led station indicators on the maps seem to be working again on the Mark 2.5 trains.
Also I've written to translink about disabling the led time on the busstop outside Waterfront, it hasn't worked in months and it would be better turned off completely then issuing the wrong time to locals and tourists.
     
     
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