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Old Posted Dec 8, 2009, 6:13 PM
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Out of all of these proposed plans which ones are likely to get approved and what ones will more then likely be rejected.
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Old Posted Dec 8, 2009, 8:07 PM
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Old Posted Dec 9, 2009, 12:32 AM
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Five potential development sites are being explored by the federal government as possible locations for the new building, the Ottawa Business Journal recently reported.

These sites include Brookfield’s site on Kent St., between Albert and Queen streets; Broccolini’s site at 199 Slater St.; Great West Life’s site between Laurier Avenue and Slater Street; Standard Life’s site at the corner of Bank and Slater streets; and Morguard’s site on Gloucester Street, west of Elgin Street.
Explored is an overstatement. The Feds have known about these sites for years. Nothing is imminently about to happen.
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Old Posted Dec 9, 2009, 12:40 AM
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The feds have called for 5 new buildings, 3 of which (imo) will go in the core. To cover that, Place de Ville will probably get a new one, Lorne bulding is a done deal and 150 Laurier is just about ripe to get off the ground and get the feds in. The 2 other buildings will probably go across the river or in the burbs. That's 3 for the feds in the core.

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Unlikely that Place de Ville or 150 Elgin (I assume that's what you meant?) have a lock on winning federal leases...at least they have no better chance than any other major downtown site. Almost guaranteed that none of these will be built on spec (ie without a lease already signed), as these are institutional owners who don't like risk of any kind. Only a local/family developer like a Minto builds on spec these days. The Feds will only lease after running a competitive process. Bottom dollar wins, provided some other criteria are met.

On that last point....Lorne is not a "done deal" in that a developer has been chosen, but there is a request for proposals out which actually has design criteria as well as just "lowest cost wins".
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Old Posted Dec 9, 2009, 5:28 PM
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Feds budget $124.2M for Lorne Building redevelopment
http://www.ottawabusinessjournal.com/296077108011773.php
By Peter Kovessy, Ottawa Business Journal Staff
Wed, Dec 9, 2009 10:00 AM EST
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Public Works plans to spend more than $124 million during the construction phase of a new Elgin Street office tower, located across from the National Arts Centre, federal documents show.

In October, the department published plans to demolish the aged seven-storey Lorne Building, formerly home to the National Gallery of Canada, and build a new 489,000-square-foot office tower on the site and adjacent surface parking lot
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A request for qualifications from interested developers closed in late November. The government plans to release a full request for proposals to qualified bidders in mid-January and approve a deal by fall 2010.


Construction would begin by the end of October and wrap up by March 2014.



Along with housing the Department of Finance and Treasury Board Secretariat, the new building is slated to include ground-level retail.
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Old Posted Dec 15, 2009, 5:01 PM
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Developer not ready to build, so 'eyesores' remain on block
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People living next to a block of run-down, abandoned buildings in downtown Ottawa say it's time for the eyesores to come down.

Richcraft Homes bought the five buildings at Bay and Nepean streets five years ago, and the block has been slated for redevelopment ever since.

The billboards in front of the boarded-up buildings read, "Lifestyle Condos coming soon."

But for people living nearby, it's been an empty promise.

"It's really time to tear it down or the developer should do something with it. They bought it years ago, and they do nothing,' said Charles Akben-Marchand, of the Centretown Citizens' Community Association.

"Yeah, it'd be nice to see a new development there — just the fact that it's a complete eyesore. It's difficult to have it in your backyard everyday," he said.

"It's a problem magnet. It's a potential fire hazard, and it's potential other hazards for the neighbourhood."

Akben-Marchand said the buildings have been neglected so long, the only option is to tear them down.

The developer, Richcraft, has had preliminary plans for a highrise condominium building approved.

But, in an ironic twist, rules meant to speed up redevelopment are slowing the process down.

Under the city's demolition-control bylaw, new construction must occur within five years of demolition. Richcraft says it's not ready to build at Bay and Nepean, so the project is in limbo.

Somerset Ward councillor Diane Holmes said that was unexpected.

"We thought that something would be built quite soon after the purchase. It's very unusual that people will sit on land for this length of time before they decide to build."

Holmes is taking the matter to council, and asking her colleagues to take the unusual step of forcing Richcraft to demolish the buildings.

Richcraft seems to be sitting on a pile of development properties including this, Galleria, the Ogilvie Road site, the one on St Laurent in manor park.

They seem better at buying land than selling buildings.
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Old Posted Dec 15, 2009, 5:04 PM
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Feds budget $124.2M for Lorne Building redevelopment
http://www.ottawabusinessjournal.com/296077108011773.php
By Peter Kovessy, Ottawa Business Journal Staff
Wed, Dec 9, 2009 10:00 AM EST
Hmm sounds like the feds are moving along with their plan to vacate L'Esplanade Laurier. That would put a huge chunk of vacant office space downtown.
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Old Posted Dec 15, 2009, 8:18 PM
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What is happening with those townhouses along Lyon between Gloucester and Nepean? There is hoarding up along the sidewalk and all of the units are empty. Massive renovation?

I know there was a fire in one of these buildings a few months ago..
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Old Posted Dec 16, 2009, 1:34 AM
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What is happening with those townhouses along Lyon between Gloucester and Nepean? There is hoarding up along the sidewalk and all of the units are empty. Massive renovation?

I know there was a fire in one of these buildings a few months ago..
They only just started repairing the fire damage. The fire was about six months ago. Don't know why it took them so long. Someone said that it was because the city wouldn't let anyone on the site, but I read elsewhere that the delay was because the insurance companies couldn't figure out exactly what had caused the fire. Strange situation.

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Old Posted Dec 19, 2009, 10:56 PM
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Expensive city principles
http://www.ottawacitizen.com/opinion/Expensive+city+principles/2337930/story.html

BY MICHAEL POLOWIN, CITIZEN SPECIALDECEMBER 14, 2009BE THE FIRST TO POST A COMMENT


This gang can't shoot straight, and every time they miss, it seems to hit us right between the eyes.

It seems that every time we turn around, there is another story about council messing up and ending up in court, or at the Ontario Municipal Board, and costing us money. The really unfortunate thing is that it is so avoidable. Bad political decisions are costing the taxpayer time and money.

In March of last year, I wrote in this column that the city would lose the OMB appeal on the Minto-Manotick mess, before it had even been filed. Many, including members of council, loudly disagreed, and blithely went ahead. The city lost. Then the city proceeded to appeal to Divisional Court. I predicted in this space that the city would lose. Again, disagreement. The city lost. It spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on outside legal counsel and planners, all of which contribute to the tax increase you and I will suffer in 2010, all on predictable losses.

The city lost because it made decisions on strictly political grounds, rather than the way you and I would -- do we have a decent case? Do we have a chance of winning? In my law practice, I encounter clients that want to pursue litigation, even over small amounts. "It's the principle of the thing," they say, usually when they are angry, or otherwise exercised. By the way -- there is never a worse time to make a decision like that -- you really need to calm down first. My response when I hear that, is always: "What are your principles worth?"

Legal advice alone for a complicated hearing can be enormously expensive, but these hearings also include a lot of expert evidence. Studies and oral evidence from planning, noise, traffic and other experts can also be very costly. Any private citizen or corporate client contemplating litigation will evaluate the potential benefits, the chances of winning or losing, and costs. Then a reasoned decision will be made.

The problem is that it appears that our leaders do not go do that. Political calculus is different. It is our money being risked, and it is the political ends of the councillors being pushed, with some of this unnecessary litigation.

Long ago, I remember a story from a long-gone member of the city's legal department. The council of the day was intent on pursuing a matter to the OMB. The lawyer had cautioned council that it was a loser, and would be expensive. The warning was given on several occasions, but the council for pure political reasons was determined to pursue it. The warnings were correct, the city lost and was out a lot of money on costs.

There's nothing new under the sun. As taxpayers, we fund the activities of the city at the OMB and in the courts, when any reasonable calculus would have avoided the litigation, or resulted in a settlement. The only winners are the councillors pushing the matter, who are seen as supporting their constituents.

This column could be written at any time, and examples found to support the thesis. Today, the examples that spring to mind are the nonsense over Range Road, and the Orgaworld fight.

On Range Road, the city has approved a rezoning of a site currently occupied by an apartment building and a parking lot.

Last year, with the city's new comprehensive zoning bylaw, the zoning changed as a result of a city-wide decision to remove certain density limits to promote intensification.

After that time, a new buyer came along, and seeing the opportunity to redevelop the parking lot for another building (the very principle promoted by the change) bought the building after doing its proper due diligence.

When the councillor caught wind of this, he immediately moved to use a mechanism (an anomaly bylaw) intended for the correction of typos and similar mistakes, to change the zoning to prevent the tower. The justification was the existence of a very old secondary plan that would suggest such a second tower not be built. This was not a typo -- it was a downzoning. The property owner objected, of course, and we will no doubt be off to the OMB.

The city will lose. The mechanism used by council is the wrong one in this case. There were other ways to do what the councillor wanted done, perhaps -- but this one was fast and made him look like a defender of Sandy Hill.

In Orgaworld, the city is not a required party to a fight before the Environmental Review Tribunal over what can be composted in the company's plant. The city has absolute control over what items can be picked up through the green bin program through its contract with the company. The fight is over interpretation of provincial policy on the subject, which seems to hint that diapers and food scraps in plastic bags may well be acceptable items for compost. Why are we participating? It may well be because the councillor involved wants us to.

Maybe we should impose some discipline on these decisions -- if the city loses, on a patently political decision, councillors should pay for the costs out of their office budgets. Maybe then we will see fewer fights over "the principle of the thing."

Michael Polowin practises municipal and commercial real property law. E-mail: [email protected].

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Old Posted Dec 20, 2009, 1:51 AM
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Mike definitely hit the nail on the head with that one. God, why do we have such an inept council and a city full of NIMBY's and people who are afraid change?
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Old Posted Dec 20, 2009, 2:47 AM
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^It's genetic. Since so many in the city depend on the federal government for employment and, therefore, depend on the status quo (change is feared since it's often negative -- budget cuts, relocations, etc.; the public sector's anxiety in this regard is like the private sector's but the former lacks the latter's counterbalancing optimism in growth cycles), that love of stability and sameness in the workplace spills beyond the workplace into other social spaces - i,e., the city. Add to that the cultural and political inheritance of 19th-century provincialism and the fact that the city grew in the twin shadows of Montreal and Toronto, with the rest of the country resenting it for being what it is (the capital), and you've got the makings of an inherently self-restraining small 'c' conservative burg. And yet, I miss it so much!
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Old Posted Dec 21, 2009, 3:47 PM
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A lot of people blame employment with the federal government but I think this is too logical. Very few people are that logical in reality. NIMBYism here is the same as anywhere, an overarching fear of change when you have too much to lose. It is only when there is a crisis of confidence that people will accept change.
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Old Posted Dec 21, 2009, 5:33 PM
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True. Logic usually has very little to do with NIMBYism.
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anyone know the development plan for a site on baseline

It used to be a school, beside the building of ex-nortel skyline( Now belongs to the government). It also boaders the Central park neighborhood by Ashcraft. There is a sign hanging outside that it will be a multipurpose site.
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Old Posted Jan 3, 2010, 10:21 AM
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anyone know the development plan for a site on baseline

It used to be a school, beside the building of ex-nortel skyline( Now belongs to the government). It also boaders the Central park neighborhood by Ashcraft. There is a sign hanging outside that it will be a multipurpose site.


BTW, anyone know will there be a closing cost for new condos? I heard in Toronto, the cost could be as much as 5%. Will it be this high in Ottawa?

Thanks!
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It used to be a school, beside the building of ex-nortel skyline( Now belongs to the government). It also boaders the Central park neighborhood by Ashcraft. There is a sign hanging outside that it will be a multipurpose site.
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Old Posted Jan 4, 2010, 8:58 PM
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Site plan expected soon for Fairlawn Plaza
Posted Dec 11, 2009
BY ROSALYN STEVENS
http://www.emcottawawest.ca/20091211/news/Site+plan+expected+soon+for+Fairlawn+Plaza


EMC News Fairlawn Plaza has been sold to Toronto development corporation Starbank, according to Bay ward Coun. Alex Cullen.

The councillor said he met with the company's local agent, Novatech, to discuss plans for "minor" redevelopment of the site.

At his recent Bay ward community council meeting, Coun. Cullen said the plans are within the zoning of the property, located on Carling Ave. across from the Carlingwood Shopping Centre, and the only approvals required are in the site plan process.

During the site plan control process councillors can lift delegated authority, therefore requiring councillors sign off before the file proceeds through planning staff approvals. Coun. Cullen said he would be executing that power once a plan is filed with city staff.

"It will go to a public meeting," Coun. Cullen said. "I'm a Carlingwood boy. It goes to the public meeting."

Coun. Cullen was involved in the previous fight against expansion of the Carlingwood Shopping Centre, which resulted in a cap on the size of future developments in the area. He said the proposal for the Fairlawn site would remain within those parameters.

The plans include removing the smaller shops within the building and two "pad" style structures would be created facing Carling Ave. The remaining portion of the shopping centre would be left, with four major tenants, the councillor said.

"The face of the building, which houses the four stores, that's what's going to go, to be peeled back, so to speak," said Coun. Cullen.

He said he doesn't have any current objections with the plan, but will bring the matter to area residents during a public meeting on the third week of January.

"It fits the style of development that we want to see on major arterials, bringing commercial uses closer to pedestrians."

The councillor said no plans have been submitted for the grassy area along Aaron Ave. beside the shopping centre, but noted that it is zoned for residential uses.

"The expectation is that it will be developed and developed as residential."

Coun. Cullen expects the developer will submit a site plan control application in the coming weeks to begin the redevelopment process.
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"It will go to a public meeting," Coun. Cullen said. "I'm a Carlingwood boy. It goes to the public meeting."
With quotes like this, how can this guy be taken seriously as a candidate for mayor. What exactly does it mean to be a 'Carlingwood boy'.
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Old Posted Jan 4, 2010, 11:31 PM
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He calls himself a "Carlingwood boy" yet he is opposed to any expansion of the mall. I know he may not be making direct reference to the mall with that phrase, but still, the mall is the center of the community for god sakes.
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