PNE/Hastings Park Renewal | Approved - Page 2

mr.x · #21 Posted **Dec 19, 2009, 8:51 AM**

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“In 2004 we had a vision of Hastings Park being 70 per cent greened and having a portable fair in tents. This is really disheartening,” he said.

Thankfully he didn't get his way. Tents?

NetMapel · #22 Posted **Dec 19, 2009, 8:54 AM**

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Originally Posted by Zassk

Now we just need a rapid transit link to the site.. how about a short 2km spur off the Millennium Line up along the shoulder of Hwy 1 to Hastings?

Not a bad idea at all. I'm thinking of running a skytrain line along Hwy #1 north to PNE and southbound on Boundary Road until Telus' HQ (Kingsway & Boundary).

WarrenC12 · #23 Posted **Dec 19, 2009, 4:27 PM**

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Originally Posted by NetMapel

Not a bad idea at all. I'm thinking of running a skytrain line along Hwy #1 north to PNE and southbound on Boundary Road until Telus' HQ (Kingsway & Boundary).

No more Skytrain spurs. Time for a streetcar from 29th Ave up Renfrew. Assuming it can handle the grades, that will pass by the M-Line Renfrew station as well, then up to the PNE/Coliseum/Hastings Racetrack. I'm sure some of those private facilities would be willing to share the cost. The track already has a free bus service from Renfrew station.

Distill3d · #24 Posted **Dec 19, 2009, 7:31 PM**

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Originally Posted by Zassk

Now we just need a rapid transit link to the site.. how about a short 2km spur off the Millennium Line up along the shoulder of Hwy 1 to Hastings?

A seasonal street car line from Renfrew station to the PNE would suffice. Otherwise, the bus frequency to the area is fairly decent.

jlousa · #25 Posted **Jun 17, 2010, 6:14 AM**

Tonight was busy with openhouses, first up was the PNE's latest masterplan at the Central library. Pretty good in my opinion, I'll see if I can find the presentation boards and post them up here. Apparently they had a large turnout and had run out of comment sheets with well over an hour still to go.
It's funny as someone standing next to me asked one of the city staffers if there would be a new ferris wheel as he really liked them but he understands some people out there hate them. I just smirked when the staffer asked the gentleman if he was from ssp. The gentleman had no idea what the staffer was talking about, I thought it was classic.

deasine · #26 Posted **Jun 17, 2010, 6:20 AM**

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Originally Posted by jlousa

Tonight was busy with openhouses, first up was the PNE's latest masterplan at the Central library. Pretty good in my opinion, I'll see if I can find the presentation boards and post them up here. Apparently they had a large turnout and had run out of comment sheets with well over an hour still to go.

Believe the boards are here:
http://vancouver.ca/pnepark/public.htm

jlousa · #27 Posted **Jun 17, 2010, 6:28 AM**

That would be them, good find.
Another item that the staffer mentioned that also stuck, was that the PNE will be expected to bring in significantly more revenue as time goes on.

Spoolmak · #28 Posted **Jun 17, 2010, 10:18 AM**

The PNE is too crowded at the size its at now. If it wants more revenue it has to expand. I know lots of people that dont like going to the PNE because its waaaaaaaay to crowded.

mr.x · #29 Posted **Jun 17, 2010, 2:28 PM**

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Originally Posted by jlousa

Tonight was busy with openhouses, first up was the PNE's latest masterplan at the Central library. Pretty good in my opinion, I'll see if I can find the presentation boards and post them up here. Apparently they had a large turnout and had run out of comment sheets with well over an hour still to go.
It's funny as someone standing next to me asked one of the city staffers if there would be a new ferris wheel as he really liked them but he understands some people out there hate them. I just smirked when the staffer asked the gentleman if he was from ssp. The gentleman had no idea what the staffer was talking about, I thought it was classic.

Everything in this world is both loved and hated by someone, to build/prefer only a certain type of attraction while ignoring the interests of others is not only selfish but also says that this individual is extremely narrow minded.

The attractions within a city should cater to a spectrum of interests, not just one.

mr.x · #30 Posted **Jun 17, 2010, 2:39 PM**

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Originally Posted by Spoolmak

The PNE is too crowded at the size its at now. If it wants more revenue it has to expand. I know lots of people that dont like going to the PNE because its waaaaaaaay to crowded.

I couldn't agree more...just took a looky look at the open house boards and the new green space at the park is just absolutely overkill.

wrenegade · #31 Posted **Jun 17, 2010, 3:12 PM**

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Originally Posted by Spoolmak

I know lots of people that dont like going to the PNE because its waaaaaaaay to crowded.

Put me in with that crowd. I've been to the PNE once in my life, I think I was 10 or 12 or something, and hated it. Way too many people, I still remember it now. I've told myself I'll only ever go back once, when I bring my kids. Of course if things change with the park/PNE I could be tempted to change my mind.

twoNeurons · #32 Posted **Jun 17, 2010, 3:36 PM**

So, you went on a crowded day. It was probably day before close or something.

In any case, you can't judge an event by the one day you spent there when you were 10 years old.

Better a crowded event than a wasteland with no people. At least it means it's popular.

wrenegade · #33 Posted **Jun 17, 2010, 4:12 PM**

Not saying it's a bad thing, it's just a lot of people, and not really for me that's all. The PNE isn't going to be all things to all people.

cc85 · #34 Posted **Jun 17, 2010, 4:36 PM**

the update looks impressive. A strong improvement to the current design. Expanding the infusion of the natural environment with the hard-surface dominated theme park is appropriate for our changing society.

Smooth · #35 Posted **Jun 17, 2010, 4:58 PM**

I think landscaping around the rides will really improve the look and feel of Playland.

Interesting that Playland/PNE hope to see a big increase in attendance but plan to take over the parking lot on the north-east corner of the property.

Zassk · #36 Posted **Jun 17, 2010, 6:44 PM**

Interesting that racing will be consolidated at Hastings. I would have thought that the city would want the race track eliminated over the long term - even now in the "no longer chasing the PNE to Surrey" era. The race track really limits the ability to make substantial changes to the more than the PNE ever did.

Smooth · #37 Posted **Nov 30, 2010, 9:10 PM**

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Hastings Park vote happens this week
VANCOUVER/CKNW(AM980)
Janet Brown
11/30/2010

Vancouver Council is set to vote this week on the Hastings Park Master Plan.

The plans calls for the addition of 150-thousand square feet of new buildings at the PNE and increasing the acreage of Playland by 70-per cent.

However, COPE Councillor David Cadman wants the vote delayed saying the community's opposed and it fails to meet the City's environmental goals, "We need to step back and say this facility is a signature piece here, we are wanting to be the greenest city. Is this the greenest plan? And I say it's not."

Cadman says the neighborhood has invested years in the planning process and want to see a 'real plan' for a fair within a park.

http://www.cknw.com/Channels/Reg/New...spx?ID=1319179

itinerant · #38 Posted **Dec 1, 2010, 1:41 AM**

This seems to be a rather biased news report (not really an article). Why not also quote the increase in green space, and where the concentration of building space is located (infill between Agrodome and the Pacific Coliseum), or mention the high points of the master plan like the encircling cycle path, daylighting of Renfrew creek, etc? Playland was small to begin with, so 70% increase for year-round amusements isn't much.

Is Mr. Cadman really being as dismissive as he seems to disregard the years of public consultation and development by city staffers that have struck [what seems to me to be] a very good compromise between paved amenities vs. greening the whole thing? It seemed to me the public who participated in the consultation (including the residents in the surrounding neighbourhood) provided good feedback that was incorporated into the ultimate plan as proposed to council for ratification.

See for yourself at http://vancouver.ca/pnepark/public.htm

The best slide from the presentation is at: http://vancouver.ca/pnepark/pdf/june2010/dayatparkD.pdf

The following before/after shows the proposed change at a high-level. Images modified from PDF boards from above links at Vancouver.ca.

Before / After:

SpongeG · #39 Posted **Dec 1, 2010, 2:01 AM**

looks good

I saw some protesters on the news the other day about the park, they didn't seem to happy, but the plan looks much better than what is there now

In my experience of visiting the green spaces and "park" areas in summer, fall, spring whenever I find it empty other than some people drinking in the bushes or passed out somewhere - no locals enjoying the park with their families as the protesters would want people to believe - there is plenty of green space now and areas to enjoy the park, the italian garden is cool and always again empty, the skateboard park area seems to attract people

the protesters - I just don't get their point, do they want it greener so it looks nicer from their houses? it doesn't seem like they want it to use it

huenthar · #40 Posted **Dec 1, 2010, 2:15 AM**

I wish they had went with option B, putting Empire Fields on the inside of the racecourse (with an underground passage connecting with the parking lot to the west), moving Playland to the east to take over the fields site, (so the wooden roller coaster would be at the western edge), and opening up a huge greenspace in the middle, east of the sanctuary. After all, how useful is Empire Fields where it is currently, once all the parking is gone and put in the NW corner? How do sports players get themselves/their gear over there?

I guess it's still possible to do that in the distant future sometime?