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Old Posted Aug 28, 2009, 5:55 AM
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PNE/Hastings Park Renewal | Approved

As most of you are now aware the city is undergoing a review of Hastings Park. The first open house was yesterday and the info boards are now available online. I decided to create a thread for this topic so it wouldn't clog up the General Vancouver thread. I encourage everyone to look through the presenation boards and fill out the online questionare. Also attend the booth at the fair if you get the chance. Lets hear your ideas based upon whats proposed. This is not the thread to wish for Disneyland and to state how much you hate the fair. Positive/reasonable feedback is welcomed.

Link to presenation boards and questionaire.
http://vancouver.ca/pnepark/public.htm#OpenHouses

Sorry I couldn't post direct links to each panel, I've been working off a netbook at home and it's not been easy.
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Nice, how long until the upgrades are complete?
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I'm not sure what my opinion is yet, I'll need some time to think about it. I've always had quite a bit of interest in the future of the PNE, I see it as a pretty important cultural institution.

Here are some of the more important bits:



Rejuvenation of the PNE Fair
City Council has directed the Master Plan to achieve modest
growth for the PNE from its current 800,000 visitors during
the Fair to 1 million, still less than the 1.2 million of its
heyday. Research during the first phase of the Master Plan
showed that the PNE is constrained by the lack of indoor
space that can be used for exhibits. Facilities like the
Coliseum, Agrodome, and Garden Auditorium are suited
to shows and performances but are limited by substantial
area devoted to fixed seating. The addition of more flat
floor indoor space with flexibility to be set up in many
configurations is seen as necessary to allow the PNE Fair to
return to past attendance levels and to expand its role as an
economic generator for the region.





Festivals and Special Events
New buildings or the adapted Livestock Building would be
designed to work with the new Festival Plaza and Festival
Meadow spaces to be readily used for festivals, arts and
cultural events, markets, and commercial exhibitions,
including ones that use stages, tents, and other temporary
elements to suit their needs.





New Indoor Space Alternatives
The Master Plan process is exploring a range of ways to
add more indoor space on Hastings Park. New buildings
are expensive so the Plan is also looking at costs,
potential revenues, and sources of funding and potential
partnerships.
The top end of the range under study contemplates a large
new indoor climate-controlled space that could either
replace the Agrodome or wrap around it. This amount
of new space is projected to allow the Fair to reach a
minimum attendance of 1 million people in 17 days. New
year round indoor space would also provide the PNE with a
venue that can be programmed and rented all year for an
ongoing stream of revenue that will help to offset its cost of
construction.
The low end of the range being studied likely reduces
the projected attendance to that of recent years or even
less than 800,000. The lower cost alternatives consider
upgrades to the Livestock Building to make it weather proof
but not to heat it all year and, depending on its design,
to use it for exhibits, farmers’ markets, special events,
agricultural shows, and some storage. These alternatives
may also necessitate the use of temporary structures for
additional weather protection during the Fair or at special
events.
Adaptive reuse of the Livestock Building would follow
heritage resource planning principles for a building that is
not on the Heritage Register but has some heritage interest,
especially along its Miller Drive façade.




Role of Playland in Hastings Park

Research into Playland and comparisons to other
amusement parks across the world indicate a strong future
potential for Playland. It is the only attraction of its kind in
the region and continues to attract high levels of use for
its size every year. With the recent addition of Fright Nights
around Halloween, Playland has demonstrated its attraction
even outside its usual season.
Playland is second only to the PNE Fair as a source of
revenue generation and employment. Playland has managed
to stay successful in spite of not being able to invest in new
rides and attractions while its future awaits the outcome of
the Master Plan.




Greening Opportunities within Playland
The Master Plan is recommending that the site area of
Playland be expanded to achieve the following:
• Provide adequate space both to upgrade and renew rides
and attractions.
• Include comfortable seating and resting areas that are
landscaped.
• Provide trees, shrubs and plantings for shade, ecological
and aesthetic values.





Safety and Security at Playland

Some people have suggested taking down the fence around
Playland so that the public could move through the site in
all directions. This approach would require attendees to
pay separately for each activity. Unfortunately, this strategy
has been shown to be unworkable. All North American sites
now operate with secured boundaries. An enclosed site
ensures that the Playland is secure from damage when
closed and that disruptive people can be excluded from entry
maintaining a safe and secure family environment.
The Master Plan will explore a variety of creative, green
approaches to secure the edge of Playland such green walls
and water features.



Central Festival Plaza
A large parking lot at the heart of the park will be
transformed into public plaza designed both to host outdoor
activities and temporary tents during the PNE Fair and
to adapt to a variety of festival and special events during
the rest of the year. The City’s festivals are expanding in
number and size. A place such as the Festival Plaza with
good access and services for festivals is expected to be
well used. A farmers’ market is also a potential use for the
Festival Plaza.

The amphitheatre immediately to the east of this parking
lot is slated to be upgraded with weather protection over
its stage. Weather protection could also be extended over
some of the seats of the amphitheatre.
An open meadow may be sited near the plaza and
amphitheatre to offer space for people to sit on the grass
during events or to engage in informal games and picnics.
The size of this ‘Festival Meadow’ will depend on the
location selected for Playland in the final Plan.

Option 1

Playland could remain generally on its present site and
expand northward onto the adjacent parking lot. Playland
will be pulled back from Hastings Street to better connect
the Sanctuary and Empire Fields. This is the lower cost
option and the one that is most suited to phasing over a
number of years. The edges of Playland would then be
designed to integrate with the Sanctuary to the west and
Empire Fields to the east.

Option 2
A more expensive option under consideration is relocating
Playland to the east onto Empire Fields. In this option the
wooden rollercoaster would stay in place but on the west
rather than east side of Playland.
The current location of Playland on Windermere Hill would
then be available as park space next to the Sanctuary. This
new park space is proposed as a Festival Meadow used for
games and picnics between events, PNE Fair and festivals.
In this option, the meadow could be designed to compliment
the amphitheatre for large audiences.
If Playland moves to occupy Empire Fields, the sports
fields would be replaced nearby. A possible location for
replacement is the infield of Hastings Racecourse which is
larger than the current Empire Fields. This would require
tunnel access under the racetrack and may have some
limitations on game times.




Connecting to and through Hastings Park
The major streets around Hastings Park are barriers to easy
access for pedestrians and cyclists. Ideas for improvements
in the Master Plan include:

Renfrew Street Improvements and Crossings

The City is committed to redesigning Renfrew Street
with less of the right-of-way devoted to vehicles. The
space gained from narrowing the roadway will be
used for either wider sidewalks and boulevards or for
a central green median. Improvements will be designed
with easier access and enhanced safety as objectives.

Movement across Hastings Street
Hastings Street will continue to have three signalized
crosswalks to get people to Hastings Park. The locations
of these crossings will be refined to ensure they
connect to greenways in the community and improved
paths and entry points within the park, including a loop
path around the park.

Movement across McGill Street to New Brighton Park
For many years, the City has planned for a pedestrian and
cyclist overpass of McGill Street and the railway tracks
to link Hastings Park and New Brighton Park. This idea
remains a longer-term goal of the Plan. In the short-term,
a surface route is proposed.

East-West Greenway

The Master Plan will help to locate greenway connections
through Hastings Park. An east-west link will connect
somewhere around Triumph Street. Depending on the
eventual site for Playland, a grade separated section near
Cassiar Street may be needed to make this connection.

North-South Greenway
This greenway will be the northern section of the City’s
proposed Eastside Crosscut Greenway. This route will
connect Hastings Community Park (around Windermere
Street) through Hastings Park to New Brighton Park
and the existing Portside Greenway. This route requires
the horse barns on the east side of the racecourse to
be relocated to allow the new greenway to parallel the
proposed daylighted stream through this area.

Perimeter Multi-Use Pathway
The Master Plan envisions a continuous multi-use pathway
of approximately 3 km around the perimeter of the Park
to improve both internal connections and access to
surrounding streets. It is intended that this pathway will
not be part of the park used during the PNE Fair so as to
be available to the public year-round.






Consolidated Parking and Access
The scattered parking lots within the southern half of
Hastings Park would be converted to open space purposes
and the lost parking made up in new parking structures
with access from McGill Street and Bridgeway.
This is an
expensive option but one that has major benefits including
increasing the area within Hastings Park devoted to park
activities and removes vehicles from the southern portion of
the park.
Existing surface lots in the northeast corner of the Park,
next to the Forum, and within Hastings Community Park
would be retained and upgraded in time.
Service vehicle and passenger pick up and drop off access
would be focused along an east-west roadway that partially
follows Miller Drive. This route would provide loading and
unloading for the major buildings of both the PNE and the
Racecourse. This route also has the potential to serve as an
internal transit or shuttle route/loop for Hastings Park.

Parking Solutions
The Master Plan seeks to replace surface parking with
parking structures. A several storey parking lot, built into
the hillside at the northwest corner of the Park, is the
recommended location. The intent is to maintain the current
number of parking spaces (approximately 3500) as parking
is consolidated in new locations.

As part of its lease, the Racecourse is expected to provide
parking for 500 cars. It is anticipated that it will coordinate
with the City to partner in structured parking.





Sustainability Strategy
The Master Plan is proposing a variety of sustainability
initiatives that will not only enhance the ecological
performance of the park, but will also focus on social and
economic sustainability of the surrounding community.
The Plan envisions:
• Daylighting Renfrew Creek as a key stormwater
management and green corridor for the park –
connecting the Sanctuary to New Brighton Park and the
Burrard Inlet.
• Harvesting stormwater from surrounding
neighbourhoods and redeveloped areas of Hastings
Park to feed the restored Renfrew Creek.
• Promoting alternative transportation by providing safe
and convenient connections, routes and facilities for
pedestrians and bicycles.
• Providing safe and accessible public open space that
meets the needs of Vancouver’s diverse population.
• Options for showcasing local food production and
products.
• Preserving and enhancing employment opportunities,
especially for youth.
• Building on PNE and Playland’s current initiatives such
as eco-friendly products and recycling, explore new
opportunities to enhance sustainable practices.
• Improving the performance of existing buildings and
achieving the City’s standard of LEED Gold for any new
buildings.
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I particularly like the idea of greening the rides and stuff. But I'm totally in for that seven story parking lot and stuff.
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Future looks pretty good for the PNE.

Anyways here's a few presentations on the fair. Looks of terrific data in them. You'll need to set aside some time though they're huge.

Open space analysis 7mb (25pages)
http://vancouver.ca/pnepark/pdf/mast...ceanalysis.pdf

PNE and Playland report 42mb (124pages)
http://vancouver.ca/pnepark/pdf/mast...irPlayland.pdf

Market review and opportunities 1.5mb (49pages)
http://vancouver.ca/pnepark/pdf/mast...rketreview.pdf
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Wow. The master plan really has taken everything into account down to the last detail. So they're planning on leaving no space undeveloped?
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sort of bizarre aside: i just watched through the full season of "da vinci's city hall" and there's this fascinating side story on the hastings park slots and all that.

anyway, it's worth noting in a less bizarre aside that the long term feasibility here is a really big issue: montreal's hippodrome just closed and berkeley's golden gate is on its last season. that's fully 1/3 of all race tracks i've been to, and that's just in the last year.
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Report to council on Hastings Park master plan

Master plan report 83 pages 15mb
http://vancouver.ca/ctyclerk/cclerk/...ents/penv2.pdf

Staff are recommending Option1 over Option 2, which means playland will remain in it's current location as opposed to moving into Empire stadium. It will still expand ~40% in size and they are planing to increase attendance from ~300k/yr to ~500k/yr. They are also recommending a new building be built to provide additional flat space for the fair and outside fair uses, along with daylighting renfrew creek, new barns, updating the live stock building. They expect attendance during the fair to increase to 1M from 800K now, they state that the fair could not really handle more than that number anyways. The horsetrack is required to provide a 500 stall parkade by 2013, it also appears the city intends to build additional parking in order to green inside the park. The hastings community centre is planned to move from it's current location to the SE corner of Hastings and Renfrew, a much more prominent location. The plan is expected to take ~20yrs once enacted. Sure there will be lots of comments, please take the time to read the acutual report though I'm sure most questions would be answered. Enjoy
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Thank you for posting that.

Just quickly glazed over it since I don't really have the time now to read it all.

Of course my primary concerns are with the expansion and "Greening" of Playland.

I hope this expansion includes the construction of some new "larger" rides. Such a a new large roller coaster or other such ride attractions one would find at a 6 flags, not just family fair rides one finds at the mall parking lots once a year in their town. Although adding a couple rides for kids along with a couple larger ride attractions would be a good idea.

Also, what will happen to the log ride? Hopefully, since it appears it has to be taken down for their greenbelt, a better log ride will be built somewhere else in the expansion.

Last, I hope "greening" the park does not simply mean tearing out all of the pavement and simply replacing the ground with grass, for that will become very mucky in a climate such as ours.

Instead, it would be nice for "greening" to mean that there will still be paved walkways from ride to ride, and paved areas to line up, but throughout the park will be gardens lining the walkways, with trees and shrubs in them. (possibly matching to the theme of the rides nearby, such as planting more exotic species near the pirate ship) hopefully a few more open paced spaces remain for all of the foot traffic.

Just my two cents, I do hope they keep Playland somewhat within the feelings of a "theme park" and let the PNE areas become more of the "fairground" setting.
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If Playland is kept in its current location, they should make the new Empire Stadium permanent instead of temporary.
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If Playland is kept in its current location, they should make the new Empire Stadium permanent instead of temporary.
Agreed.

Its too bad that all the highway connectors, rail yards, and port are all in the way. It would be awesome to see Playland and the PNE connect better with New Brighton Park.
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There will be an overhead connector linking the PNE with New Brighton Park. City costs of all the proposed upgrades is ~$204Million.
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There will be an overhead connector linking the PNE with New Brighton Park. City costs of all the proposed upgrades is ~$204Million.
How realistic is this in real life. As we know the City is running in the RED big time, slashing programs, jobs, and trying to eliminate long standing landmarks.

Then there are the known post Olympic questions and market dependant gambles that need to over-achieve just to come close to a brake even budget.
I’m thinking these are LONG.. LONG.. term plans
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How realistic is this in real life. As we know the City is running in the RED big time, slashing programs, jobs, and trying to eliminate long standing landmarks.

Then there are the known post Olympic questions and market dependant gambles that need to over-achieve just to come close to a brake even budget.
I’m thinking these are LONG.. LONG.. term plans
as said above >>

The plan is expected to take ~20yrs once enacted
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The plan is expected to take ~20yrs once enacted
ahh, missed that
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I'd like to think that the open house questionnaire had something to do with this, I gave them a huge earful...must've been at least a thousand words in total:



New plan for Hastings Park would see PNE, Playland expansion


By Gerry Bellet, Vancouver Sun
December 18, 2009 5:03 PM

Vancouver council has adopted a master plan for the redevelopment of Hastings Park over the next 20 years calling for an expansion of both the PNE and Playland that could cost $204 million.

The plan calls for Playland to be pulled back from Hastings Street in order to create a park corridor between the Sanctuary area and Empire Fields.

Playland would be made bigger by 30 per cent at a cost of about $36.5 million, in an effort to transform it from a local attraction into a destination attraction.

The park would expand into the area north of present-day Playland.

The PNE, meanwhile, would get an $89-million overhaul, with renovations to existing buildings and the addition of buildings to bring in more year-round revenue.

About $40.6 million would be spent on rehabilitating the livestock barn, Agrodome, Forum, Rollerland and garden auditorium, with $48.5 million being spent to replace lost exhibition space and add a new amphitheatre for year-round use.

An estimated $46.4 million will be spent on open spaces, stream and greenway connections, improvements to the festival area and infrastructure, and removal of parking lots south of Miller.


About $32 million will be spent on new parking at the northwest corner of the property.

The rearrangement of parking could add between 25 to 35 acres of parkland to the site.


Richard Newirth, the acting managing director of cultural services for the city, said a more in-depth proposal will be presented to council sometime in mid-2010.

“They adopted a high-level plan; now staff will come back with the details,” he said.

But critics say the master plan ignores earlier commitments by city council to downsize development on the site in order to create more park space.

“The idea was to create a fair within a park, but this isn’t what this plan will do,” said Vancouver Hastings MLA Shane Simpson, who spoke against the proposal.

He said former councils had committed to adding another 45 acres of greenspace to Hastings Park, for a total of about 70 acres, but the new plan reduces that amount by about 40 per cent, with the overall green space being about 50 acres.

“It’s this reduction that concerns me and I know the neighbourhood is not happy with it. What they [the city] seem to be doing is just greening the PNE and Playland,” he said.

“There is a difference between ensuring the viability of the PNE and Playland and trying to maximize the return, which seems to be the priority of this plan. You also need to balance the needs of the community,” he said.

David Bornman, chair of the Westcoast Christian School, located across from the Pacific Coliseum, said the plan was a reversal of the 2004 proposal to create a park that held an annual fair.

“Instead of a fair hosted by a local park, they are going to add more indoor space so they can raise more revenue. So a local park is going to be used as a revenue stream,” said Bornman.

He was disappointed that a number of improvements to the park that local residents want, such as access from Hastings Park to New Brighton Park, don’t seem to be a priority.

“In 2004 we had a vision of Hastings Park being 70 per cent greened and having a portable fair in tents. This is really disheartening,” he said.
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Sounds great! Though I can understand a bit of the NIMBYism from the tiny Christian school which moved in around 2004 or so, the idea of the PNE being downscaled even further into a few friggin tents is pretty upsetting to me.

Glad to hear that things are finally being put into motion for an expansion.
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Now we just need a rapid transit link to the site.. how about a short 2km spur off the Millennium Line up along the shoulder of Hwy 1 to Hastings?
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This is a great plan. A good balance between Playland, PNE and the needed park land / green space.

As for transit, bus frequency on hastings is actually good already, but I agree, the more rapid transit the better. Hopefully the WCE station may still happen on the north side of the PNE one day, and that would require even better bus frequency. Streetcar / LRT on hastings would be great eventually too!
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