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Old Posted Nov 19, 2009, 3:11 AM
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Just out of curiosity, anyone know the Skytrain ridership number for, say, the first 6 months of the Skytrain in 1985-86? 16,100 seems pathetically small.
65000 for 1987, can't find anything for 1986.

Source, page 11 (lots of interesting info there...)
     
     
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They need to do that on all routes, not just the 25. The 49 is quite severe: expect being passed heading westbound after Victoria Dr. even at 10:00.
Does 49 ridership now even exceed 41? I think so, its passed-up situation happens for 10 straight hours a day, must be a record for Vancouver transit. Even the old 98-b was not like that.

25 is always a problematic long route, lot of delays.

While Canada Line is busy , the east-west buses' service is even more ugly.
     
     
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While Canada Line is busy , the east-west buses' service is even more ugly.
No doubt. I took the always-fun 99B East at City Hall station the other day, around the evening rush. It's fugly.
     
     
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65000 for 1987, can't find anything for 1986.

Source, page 11 (lots of interesting info there...)
Ok dumb question here, it seems like the cost of Skytrain has rarely exceeded $100m/km in 2003 dollars. Even if we assume $150m/km for the UBC extension, at a max of around 13kms, that's still just under $2b. Why is the $3B number floated around, is that only because it will need to be a tunnel?
     
     
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Does 49 ridership now even exceed 41? I think so, its passed-up situation happens for 10 straight hours a day, must be a record for Vancouver transit. Even the old 98-b was not like that.

25 is always a problematic long route, lot of delays.

While Canada Line is busy , the east-west buses' service is even more ugly.
Which begs the question in regards to the 49. Are all of those people actually jumping on and off along the line. I understand that langara is a choke point now. So I can see a lot of students coming and going from there.

But if someone is coming up the Canada line or along the Expo line. If you are constantly being passed up on the 49. Why not try the 41 or 43.
     
     
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Ok dumb question here, it seems like the cost of Skytrain has rarely exceeded $100m/km in 2003 dollars. Even if we assume $150m/km for the UBC extension, at a max of around 13kms, that's still just under $2b. Why is the $3B number floated around, is that only because it will need to be a tunnel?
Without pulling out a calculator, I am guessing that $2B in 2003 dollars = $3B in 2020 dollars. So you are probably right that it will cost $100-150m/km if measured by the same parameters as the other bars on that graph.
     
     
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Which begs the question in regards to the 49. Are all of those people actually jumping on and off along the line. I understand that langara is a choke point now. So I can see a lot of students coming and going from there.

But if someone is coming up the Canada line or along the Expo line. If you are constantly being passed up on the 49. Why not try the 41 or 43.
I don't want to go into details what kind of riders use the 49, the issue is that the route needs much more capacity. You are right that there are choices depend on where you have to go, I take my usual north-south route first (#20) to avoid 49 altogether.

43 is not helpful, you do know it is still a peak hour route? pass-up happens in #49 between 10-3 is as serious as during rush hour

The 43 schedule:
http://www.translink.ca/~/media/Documents/Schedules%20and%20Route%20Maps/58/timetables/tt043.ashx
     
     
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Which begs the question in regards to the 49. Are all of those people actually jumping on and off along the line. I understand that langara is a choke point now. So I can see a lot of students coming and going from there.

But if someone is coming up the Canada line or along the Expo line. If you are constantly being passed up on the 49. Why not try the 41 or 43.
If you are traveling to the Canada Line, yes you can do that, but let's take a passenger getting on at Fraser St., Knight St., Victoria St., etc. and want to go to Punjabi Village or Langara for that matter... it's quite a hassle for them to take the bus up, make a transfer to a 41 or 43, then transfer again to the Canada Line.

For me to get on the bus, I take it north and transfer to a 41/43, instead of riding the 49, which takes me directly there. Why? Because I want to get on a bus... not have a seat... but just to get on.

In terms of ridership, the 41 might still have more ridership because the 49 really gets busy before Langara. Also, keep in mind passengers on the 49 traveling after peak hours to UBC must transfer onto a 41 (or 480), also increasing 41s ridership.
     
     
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If you are traveling to the Canada Line, yes you can do that, but let's take a passenger getting on at Fraser St., Knight St., Victoria St., etc. and want to go to Punjabi Village or Langara for that matter... it's quite a hassle for them to take the bus up, make a transfer to a 41 or 43, then transfer again to the Canada Line.

For me to get on the bus, I take it north and transfer to a 41/43, instead of riding the 49, which takes me directly there. Why? Because I want to get on a bus... not have a seat... but just to get on.

In terms of ridership, the 41 might still have more ridership because the 49 really gets busy before Langara. Also, keep in mind passengers on the 49 traveling after peak hours to UBC must transfer onto a 41 (or 480), also increasing 41s ridership.
I haven't had to use the 41, 43 or 49 between Joyce and UBC for a while, but I've been using the 99B almost daily since it started.

This may be over-simplifying, but why can't there be "UBC Express" buses on these routes? ie: 41U and 49U are "UBC Express" buses that run between UBC and Joyce but with stops only at Joyce, Langara (49U), Canada Line (Oakridge or 49th as appropriate), and UBC.

Similarly, 99U is a "UBC Express" route that runs between UBC and Broadway-Commercial with stops only at B-C, Canada Line (Broadway-City Hall) and UBC.

While I'm thinking of it, 84U is a "UBC Express" route that runs between UBC and VCC with stops only at VCC, Canada Line (Olympic) and UBC.

This may be one way to separate the UBC-to-SkyTrain traffic from the local traffic along the regular 9, 99B, 41, and 49 routes, and might let the regular routes operate better.
     
     
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I found some notes I made of my impressions of the C-Line during the week it was opened. On this 3rd month anniversary, I have cleaned up that file, and present it for discussion. I know some of this has been brought up before, but it surprised me how much hasn't changed.

A. All the underground stations are the same bland beige & darker beige tiles with some swipes of colours. Why can't the underground stations have their own colour accent on the platform walls, so even if you can't see the name of the station as you're arriving, you know you're at Yaletown (Green), VCC (Red), Broadway- City Hall (Blue), Langara (Yellow), &tc. The elevated open-air stations may not have the same problem, because you can look around outside the station for familiar surroundings as you're arriving ("There's the Home Depot - this is my station coming up")

B. There is room on the Mitron LED displays to include the day under the time ie: "Thu 20 Aug". When you're a commuter drone, it's easy to forget what day it is. Especially way too early in the morning before the sun is up and the caffeine hasn't kicked in yet.

C. Have Mitron displays at, or near, the fare machines so you know how soon your desired train is arriving. "Do I have enough time to get my ticket & rush down to the platform before the train departs? Oh- I see it's 10 minutes before the Brighouse train arrives - plenty of time to get a paper, coffee & muffin at 7-11 first.

D. At the terminals, have a display showing "Train to (end terminal name) departing in xx min.". You'd be surprised how many people are scrambling at the fare machines & rushing to jump on a waiting train - only to sit there for 5 or 10 minutes before the train starts the trip.

E. Have the station name on a sign above the Mitron LEDs on the platforms. This may be moot if the platform-level walls get proper signage

F. I'm wondering if the people crowding around the C-Line ticket machines understand that if they are connecting from a bus or E-Line / M-Line and have a valid ticket (or daypass or monthly pass), they don't need to buy a C-Line ticket. Too many people believe that C-Line isn't part of TransLink, so they think it requires a separate fare (like West Coast Express does).

G. Exterior Signs beside each door "LET PASSENGERS EXIT THE TRAIN BEFORE YOU ENTER". Some people DIDN'T learn courtesy in kindergarten.

H. Platform-level signs on the walls at shoulder- or head-height so they can be read from inside the train. When quickly trying to get information, most people first look forward or left & right - not up or down. This is especially true when they are in new & unfamiliar environments. At present when you're in the train at the underground stations, you can't look up and see the platform signs attached to the overhead lights. You might be able to see the platform signs above the other track, but only if there isn't another train in the station. These platform signs should have the station name with "Inbound Platform" or "Outbound Platform" below (at the same type size); "(direction arrow) Way Out (direction arrow)"; "(direction arrow) Escalator (direction arrow)"; "(direction arrow) Elevator (direction arrow)"; "(direction arrow) Stairs (direction arrow)".

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I. Elevators need more than the generic symbols on them. "Elevator Up to Street"; "Elevator down to Mezzanine"; "Elevator Down to Trains"; "Elevator up to Mezzanine". These signs should be at head-height (not above the elevator). They should also be on the same side of the door as the button. I wonder how many times the emergency RED intercom button been pressed this week by someone trying to get down to the mezzanine from the street - they saw the bright RED button instead of the stainless steel elevator call button that blends into the door jamb?

J. Similarly, Escalator signs should have more than the generic symbols: "Escalator Up to Street"; "Escalator down to Mezzanine"; "Escalator Down to Trains"; "Escalator up to Mezzanine". This signage also should be at head-height.

K. Pick up the speed! I get the impression that the electric trolleys have faster acceleration & a higher top speed. Some of the speed issues are because of the slow speeds needed to get through the flat curves in the tunnels without squealing. Flat curves are cheaper to engineer and build in tunnels, but in this case cheaper also means slower running speeds. Notice that the E-Line and M-Line SkyTrain tracks have banked curves so those trains don't need to decelerate as much before the curve and accelerate again afterwards. There is already squealing in the curves around QE Park, so this isn't a good omen. Tell me again why P3s are better?

L. Exterior signs on the 3rd and 4th doors of the train showing "stickman with luggage" so passengers using YVR know what doors to use to get to the luggage storage area of the trains. Paint a "stickman with luggage" on the platforms floors at the 3rd and 4th door position.

M. All C-Line signage should also include the SkyTrain 'swoosh' logo and be identified as "Skytrain - Canada Line". Similarly, the original lines and should be identified as "Skytrain - Expo Line" and "Skytrain - Millenium Line" with the SkyTrain 'swoosh' logo too. Why brand the C-Line as different from the E-Line and the M-Line, and have the C-Line appear to be not part of the SkyTrain system? I see the trains themselves are covered with all the sponsors' logos, so why not continue that SkyTrain branding into the stations?

N. The street-level buildings should have the SkyTrain 'swoosh' logo, the station name and "Skytrain - Canada Line" on the exterior. This should be visible from all sides of the building so you can easily tell it's a station entrance as you approach it, not just from the entrance frontage.

O. Is the fare machine level "Mezzanine" or "Concourse"? Different signs use either name.

P. A back-lit sign on the door jambs inside the cars that lights up "EXIT THIS SIDE" when you're half-way to the next station, so you know which side of the train to use for exiting, and you can start shuffling towards that side of the train. Daily commuters won't need this, but occasional users and the out-of-towners coming from YVR would find it helpful.

Q. Exterior signs on the 3rd and 4th doors of the train so bikers know where to roll their bikes on (and exterior signs on the remaining doors to tell bikers "no bikes allowed"). Because the trains are automated & stop at the same position on the platforms, paint a green bike symbol on the platform floor at the 3rd and 4th door position and red-slash bike symbol at the other door positions.

R. Simplify the Train interior LED display.

In the station:
(Display) Yaletown
(1/4 second Blank)
(Display) to Waterfront
(1 second Blank)

Going to the next station:
(Display and scroll) Vancouver City Centre
(1/4 second Blank)
(Display) to Waterfront
(1 second Blank)


S. When a train is sitting at a platform and Not In Sevice, have the interior and exterior LEDs display "This train is Not In Service" or "Not In Service". Also, have the interior lights turned off so people see the train is not ready for passengers.

T. Instead of having a Not In Service train at Waterfront sitting at the platform, why not store it right up at the bumper-block so it's (mostly) hidden & even more obviously a Not In Service train. It can be positioned so that one door can be left on the platform so attendants can access the train.

U. When a train arrives at Bridgeport (or some other station) and is then going out of service, have the interior and exterior LEDs display "Going Out of Service" along with the announcement "This train is going out of Service" - Please exit the train and wait for another train to continue your journey", while blinking the interior lights off and on a few times. Then leave the lights off as the door-closing chime rings.

V. Is it necessary to announce every inbound train as a Waterfront train? Aren't ALL inbound going to Waterfront trains unless something unusual is happening? People will 'tune out' these arriving train announcements, so when there is an important announcement about the arriving train that they SHOULD know about (something has changed in the service - this ISN'T a Waterfront train), they'll miss it. A rarely heard announcement like "The arriving inbound train will be going out of service at Olympic Station. You will need to exit at Olympic Station and change to another train to continue your journey." will have more of an impact since you're not used to hearing train announcements.

W. The biggest missed opportunity of the whole C-Line system is a showcase station at YVR that should have been built as part of "The Link" building. Since "The Link" building (between the Domestic [old] terminal and the International [new] terminal) was being built around the same time as the C-Line, it shouldn't have been too hard to incorporate the C-Line station into "The Link" building. "The Link" building and the C-Line station were designed by the same architect, so I'm surprised that this wasn't done - if not considered by all involved. The 4th floor in "The Link" building that connects to the C-Line pedestrian causeway is otherwise dead space with nice views of the masses on the 3rd floor walking between the Domestic and International terminals. This 4th floor space could have been the fare machine mezzanine, and the platforms could have been located above (on the 5th floor), with panoramic views of the airport, Georgia Strait and the North Shore Mountains to take your mind off the flight you just arrived on (or the flight you're about to take.)

X. Move the YVR station ticket machines into "The Link" building 4th floor so tickets are purchased there before using the pedestrian causeway to get to the C-Line train platform. There's a lot more room there to let people bunch up while purchasing tickets. You can also space out the machines, so a frazzled & jet-lagged family (with their luggage and reception committee) crowding around one machine while figuring how many fare zones they need to pay for & how many tickets to get, doesn't block the next machine with it's own stressed out family surrounding it.

Y. More ticket machines should be on the mezzanine below the YVR station platform where the International terminal pedestrian causeway connects to the C-Line station. Or the ticket machines can be moved inside the international terminal so customers can get them before crossing the pedestrian causeway to get to the C-Line mezzanine.

Z. More overhead grab-handles down the spine of the car. Cover them in the same grippy yellow coating (so they are noticeable), or have them made with a diamond-cut gripping surface & leave them chromed.

AA. I'm impressed to see cleaners at the stations at all times the day, but all of the underground stations need to have their tiles wiped with Swiffer Wet cloth for a few months to clean up the concrete dust being blown into the stations by the trains. Hopefully as the concrete dust is shaken out, cleanup will be easier.

BB. The elevator at Waterfront in the CPR station screams "Lazy architect / technical draftsman who was just following the cookie -cutter design of all the other C-Line stations." Aside from the bland ugly open-steel & glass show-me-how-the-elevator-works design that is becoming too common in new construction, when you stand on the CPR Station floor level at the magazine stand, and face west to the C-Line station's entrance under the two arches, you realise that the stairs and two escalators (one up & one down) could have been placed under the left (south) arch, and the elevator could have been nicely centred under the right (middle) arch and a replacement terrazzo floor installed surrounding the elevator shaft so the station entrance to the stores behind the elevator could be used again

CC. Has anyone noticed the Waterfront stations' south elevator on Granville & Hastings? It's built right up to the property line of the UK Building, effectively blocking half of that building's front staircase to Granville. You can just-barely squeeze between the railing at the lower steps & the elevator building. How did they manage to get away with this, given that the RAV Project Management office (aka RAVCO; aka CLCO) is located in the UK Building? How hard would it have been to move the elevator shaft closer to the street curb, or over to the east side of Granville (beside Birks)? The mezzanine floor is already as wide as the street (between the Birks property line and the UK Building property line), so it shouldn't have been too difficult. With a design fault like that literally under their noses, it makes me wonder what other design shortcuts made by RAVco and SNC-Lavalin will start showing up.

DD. Since the trains stop at more or less the same spot, paint hash marks on the platform floor with "NO STANDING" or "KEEP AREA CLEAR" so people exiting the train have a clear path to get through the waiting crowds. The easier people can exit the trains, the faster people waiting can board the trains.

EE. It's nice to see that some stations are herding the sheeple into separate lines for "Brighouse" and "Airport". Do we want to let them in on the Dirty Little Secret that both "Brighouse" and "Airport" trains stop at all of the C-Line stations in Vancouver? I'll keep my mouth shut & join the shortest line.

FF. Looking at the construction photos, I see that at the location of the future 33rd and 57th stations, only the tunnel box was built. This means that when the decision is made to build these stations, the east side of Cambie (the northbound traffic lanes) will have to be dug up and an open pit dug down around and below the tunnel box to build the station & cut into the tunnel boxes. Just as the locals are forgetting the 4+ years of open-trench construction & traffic chaos on Cambie, now the street would have to be dug up again for several years to add a new station. Wouldn't it have been smarter to build the unfinished bare concrete box containing the station at the same time as the tunnels? You could have walled off the platforms from the tracks (so the unfinished station isn't noticed as the train goes by) and leave the street portals as camouflaged stumps until you're ready to finish & open the station. When the time arrives to finish the station, the construction work could have been done while the trains are running below and the street traffic above - with everyone oblivious to the work being done to open the station. I would have spent a few million $ now to partially build the station to be completed later, instead of having to spend $50+ million for each new station in the future and having to deal with all the community complaints of another open construction pit fouling up Cambie street again.

GG. CelTel, but no WiFi? Even the Main St bus is getting WiFi. But then there wouldn't be any CelTel airtime billing.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 19, 2009, 7:24 AM
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I haven't had to use the 41, 43 or 49 between Joyce and UBC for a while, but I've been using the 99B almost daily since it started.

This may be over-simplifying, but why can't there be "UBC Express" buses on these routes? ie: 41U and 49U are "UBC Express" buses that run between UBC and Joyce but with stops only at Joyce, Langara (49U), Canada Line (Oakridge or 49th as appropriate), and UBC.

Similarly, 99U is a "UBC Express" route that runs between UBC and Broadway-Commercial with stops only at B-C, Canada Line (Broadway-City Hall) and UBC.

While I'm thinking of it, 84U is a "UBC Express" route that runs between UBC and VCC with stops only at VCC, Canada Line (Olympic) and UBC.

This may be one way to separate the UBC-to-SkyTrain traffic from the local traffic along the regular 9, 99B, 41, and 49 routes, and might let the regular routes operate better.
Because often times, it's inefficient. TransLink tried the 99 before from Broadway to UBC, but buses just didn't fill up, whereas the regular 99 ones were packed. Take the 49 for example: there are one or two 49 buses from Metrotown short-turning at Langara Stn, but they don't fill up (it's comfortably full: most seats taken, few standees). Meanwhile, the 49 right behind it, bound for UBC, is full, and many of those passengers get off at Langara or the Canada Line Stn.

I'm just going to get straight to it: what they need is not only an increase in frequency at many of the routes (49 really needs to use articulated buses), but also the Millennium Line extension.

WRT your comments about the Canada Line, I agree with most of the signage ones. It's funny how people, particularly at Yaletown Stn, get off the elevator from street, purchase ticket, then get back on the same elevator back up to street level, realizing they took the elevator, then not knowing where to find the elevator for the platform. I have to say though, many people just don't read the signs, even if they are there. When you get off the elevator, there is a sign indicating the next elevator, although it isn't very specific.

As for more MITRON displays, I agree. I would even take it a step further and have LCD displays at WF, CC, BC, BP, YVR, and RB Stns (too lazy to type out the entire name). At WF, the display should also list departures of other modes of transportation. I really think the Expo and Millennium Lines should have their displays upgraded, or at least programmed to display next departures.

I'm not going to respond to any of the operation issues, especially the ones about speeding up the C-Line because that's just been explained over and over again. However, the Not In Service train at Waterfront does usually have "Not In Service" on the displays. When a train is taken out of service, for instance at Bridgeport, then there is a message saying "This train is taken out of service at Bridgeport. Please ensure that you have all your belongings with you."

For the announcements, I disagree. Yes, all the trains in the inbound platform go to Waterfront, but it should be announced anyways. These announcements really help tourists and commuters. The problem is, what is inbound platform? What is outbound platform? Platforms should always be numbered off, following the structure of Commercial-Broadway Stn.

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i noticed at yaletown - the davie street gate has been kept closed and only the one entrance was useable - well the last few times i passed it - is that normal? is there a reason?
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i noticed at yaletown - the davie street gate has been kept closed and only the one entrance was useable - well the last few times i passed it - is that normal? is there a reason?
I think it has something to do with the rain. It's been closed whenever it's raining hard.
     
     
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I think it has something to do with the rain. It's been closed whenever it's raining hard.
Great design for a city that rains >6 months of the year...
     
     
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Yes, who would have thought the Canada Line should be slightly water resistant. I guess they may have thought of it had it been named the Vancouver Line...
     
     
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In terms of ridership, the 41 might still have more ridership because the 49 really gets busy before Langara. Also, keep in mind passengers on the 49 traveling after peak hours to UBC must transfer onto a 41 (or 480), also increasing 41s ridership.
more than half of 49 in non-peak hour go all the way to UBC:
http://www.translink.ca/~/media/Documents/Schedules%20and%20Route%20Maps/58/timetables/tt049.ashx

Ridership on 49 is huge because it takes people to destination both directions all day long, don't forget lots of people heading eastbound towards Elliot-Killarney area (several senior activity sites), Champlain mall, and Metrotown of course.

I took 49 again earlier today (non-peak time), same old story that dozen of people could not board at fraser. When I left the ultra-packed 49 and stepped into Canada Line, it is like from hell to heaven.
     
     
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I think it has something to do with the rain. It's been closed whenever it's raining hard.
Please tell me that's not the real reason! That certainly would be evidence of incredibly poor design.
     
     
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Isn't that the one that tends to flood the station?
     
     
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F. I'm wondering if the people crowding around the C-Line ticket machines understand that if they are connecting from a bus or E-Line / M-Line and have a valid ticket (or daypass or monthly pass), they don't need to buy a C-Line ticket. Too many people believe that C-Line isn't part of TransLink, so they think it requires a separate fare (like West Coast Express does).
The only comment I can make to that is "A fool and their money is soon separated"

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If you are traveling to the Canada Line, yes you can do that, but let's take a passenger getting on at Fraser St., Knight St., Victoria St., etc. and want to go to Punjabi Village or Langara for that matter... it's quite a hassle for them to take the bus up, make a transfer to a 41 or 43, then transfer again to the Canada Line.

For me to get on the bus, I take it north and transfer to a 41/43, instead of riding the 49, which takes me directly there. Why? Because I want to get on a bus... not have a seat... but just to get on.

In terms of ridership, the 41 might still have more ridership because the 49 really gets busy before Langara. Also, keep in mind passengers on the 49 traveling after peak hours to UBC must transfer onto a 41 (or 480), also increasing 41s ridership.
I realize that some people are forced to take the 49 because their starting point and or destination is along that route. Which is fine for me.

But how many are taking it to get to UBC or metrotown. When they never actually started on that route.

As for the 41 and 43 all I can say is at cambie it is seriously becoming a major problem. With so many people getting off and on. Another problem I've notice is the busses seem to really be late especially EB. And they tend to come up in clusters. For the past two days I've seen 3 buses come at the same time. two 41 and one 43. You constantly get people walking back and forth between both stations. Cause you are just not sure which bus is going to come first.

On a Canada line note. Is it just me or do most people not realize that there is actually a second stair well at VCC from the platform level to the mezzanine level. 99% of the people just head towards the single escalator. Now when I board the train headed for VCC. I make sure I'm near the door closest to the bottom of the 2nd stair well. I just leave and I'm gone before the massive crowd gets to the top.

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Old Posted Nov 20, 2009, 6:12 AM
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i noticed at yaletown - the davie street gate has been kept closed and only the one entrance was useable - well the last few times i passed it - is that normal? is there a reason?
When I came home late this afternoon it was pouring rain outside, and the gate was open. Didn't notice anything unusual.
     
     
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