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Old Posted Oct 21, 2009, 9:16 PM
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They told us that they are currently training staff. They hoped to be open by now, but the construction on Commerce delayed their opening.
We were fortunate enough to sample some pizza, fresh out of the oven, from SaZa's this past weekend. Without a doubt the most succulant pizza I have eaten. It was tomato paste, basil leaf, and a dollap of ricotta cheese on the lightest dough imaginable. I look forward to sampling the rest of the menu. By the way, they said they are ready to open, simply waiting on the sidewalk construction to finish.
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We were fortunate enough to sample some pizza, fresh out of the oven, from SaZa's this past weekend. Without a doubt the most succulant pizza I have eaten. It was tomato paste, basil leaf, and a dollap of ricotta cheese on the lightest dough imaginable. I look forward to sampling the rest of the menu. By the way, they said they are ready to open, simply waiting on the sidewalk construction to finish.

Glad to hear.

Geez, What's up with that sidewalk?
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They told us that they are currently training staff. They hoped to be open by now, but the construction on Commerce delayed their opening.

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Downtown Entertainment

Hooters, Coyote Ugly, Zoe's, McDonald's, Men's Clothing Store that is not outragoeusly priced Locker Room too expensive, you want something moderately priced same as a womens store, a small grocery store, and a house of blues/comedy club would be nice.
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Downtown Entertainment

Also Dunkin Donuts, Small Jewelry Store, Cigar Place with a humidor, Some moderately priced men and women clothing stores, a small sporting goods store, just suggestions and a 7-11 would be awesome.
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Look at what's successful in other similar sized towns. What is needed is both someplace that locals can go and visitors/tourists can hit and have a pleasant memory.

My vote is this.

A semi open air market similar to the Market in Charleston. Tourist wares to arts and crafts to fruits and vegetables.

There's two good locations for this. One is down the middle of Coosa Street, which is plenty wide enough. This would be a daytime/weekend morning companion to the Alley.

The other location would be on where they are planning to put the green space in front of Union Station. Imagine a row of market type buildings there along the west side of Commerce, with the green space behind them. You've just created a commercial draw for both the green space and the Riverwalk.
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Look at what's successful in other similar sized towns. What is needed is both someplace that locals can go and visitors/tourists can hit and have a pleasant memory.

My vote is this.

A semi open air market similar to the Market in Charleston. Tourist wares to arts and crafts to fruits and vegetables.

There's two good locations for this. One is down the middle of Coosa Street, which is plenty wide enough. This would be a daytime/weekend morning companion to the Alley.

thoraudio, you and I are on the same page with that idea.
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I would love to Montgomery Downtown be similar to Nashville's Downtown which is nice very vibrant and hip. Nothing against Charleston or Savannah or Chattanooga they are nice cities but my personal opinion Nashville Downtown is awesome and Montgomery and Nashville are both capitol cities that are centrally located with a river flowing through its downtown and have historic buildings a lot in common obviously Nashville is a bigger city but their are a lot of things we can pattern after that great American city any thoughts.
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We need more development on the other side of the river. What I would like to see is a lot of park space, a massive park, on the northern side of the river with a historic looking pedestrian bridge connecting the northern side with the downtown side.
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Old Posted Oct 23, 2009, 9:30 PM
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We need more development on the other side of the river. What I would like to see is a lot of park space, a massive park, on the northern side of the river with a historic looking pedestrian bridge connecting the northern side with the downtown side.
That is actually part of the long range plan for downtown. The state has talked about making the north peninsula into a state park with walking/biking trails. Former mayor Bobby Bright mentioned the pedestrian bridge that would connect it to downtown. But of course, right now, it's still talk.
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That is actually part of the long range plan for downtown. The state has talked about making the north peninsula into a state park with walking/biking trails. Former mayor Bobby Bright mentioned the pedestrian bridge that would connect it to downtown. But of course, right now, it's still talk.
I think it would be really great to do that for downtown Montgomery...but the pedestrian bridge would never happen. The cost to span the river with a pedestrian bridge would be absolutely astronomical. I believe the distance is to great for it to be a single span bridge that small, and feasibility of getting pilings into the river that would be strong enough to withstand a run-away barge is to great.

It's a real shame there's not an abandoned train trestle or obsolete automobile bridge like Chattanooga had.
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Downtown Development

I would qoute, but i agree with too many of the posts.

Thanks for the welcoming bystander!

We all realize that the first way for a downtown and city to thrive is to put your best foot forward, for visitors and for citizens. Over simplifying the process, we first have to be proud of our downtown and city before anyone else will buy into it and visit. I can say that the cities that i have visited and come away impressed with were not only beautiful and well kept but they also felt like they were loved and enjoyed. Sacramento and Salt Lake City come to mind. Sacramento's downtown farmer's market was superb.

At the same time, I believe that a downtown should attract tourists and be able to handle commerce. You can't trade one for the other. A great guy to speak with on the topic of redeveloping our downtown is the same individual who handled planning at The Waters, Nathan Norris. He has the equipment to virtually build our redevloped downtown in front of you.

As far as new businesses, I personally like the idea of a separate shopping district simliar in design to the alley. Perhaps it would include a women's store(boutique/clothing/ jewlery), men's clothing store (Jos A Banks), open air fresh grocery store, original coffee shop or a starbucks, etc.
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I totally agree with earlier statements and the point of one of the downtown workers saying go to Atlanta or Montgomerians only view Montgomery as a stop off to the beach is a sad commentary. Dont these people know they are hurting their own bottom line. If tourists and residents are discouraged from being or visiting here jobs will dry up and then what. This city has so much to offer and is continuing to offer more but people here seems to not care i dont get it. I have lived in Montgomery since 98 and i have never been more enthused about our city's future.
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Old Posted Oct 27, 2009, 4:07 AM
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Sa Za Serious Italian Food

Thats great news i look forward to eating there this week. One more piece of the Montgomery puzzle that was needed. The piece on WSFA tonight was very well done. Cant wait until the next pub crawl on November 20th having SaZa's and Wintzell's including along with the other venues should be a totally awesome time.
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Alabama Pension Fund Plows Millions Into Property in Its Own Backyard

By DAN LUZADDER


David Bronner in front of two buildings in Montgomery that were built by the Retirement Systems of Alabama.

MOBILE, Ala. — When David Bronner, the chief executive of the Retirement Systems of Alabama, the pension fund for public employees in the state, first discussed making a major investment in this city, he had an ultimatum for local leaders: show that you’re willing to rebuild the city’s education system, and the money will flow.

Mr. Bronner, 64, who has steered the fortunes of the retirement system for 36 years, already had what he thought was a good idea. He would help Mobile rebuild its deteriorated downtown and its self-image — starting with the renovation of the Battle House hotel, which had once been the heart of the city’s downtown.

But, first, he wanted a commitment from Mobilians that they were willing to invest in themselves by raising taxes to pay for better education. “Without education, how can we attract business and industry?” Mr. Bronner said.

A bond issue for public school reform was approved in 2003, and two years later it began to rain money in Mobile — an investment by the retirement system of some $650 million so far.

Today, the Battle House hotel, which had been closed for more than three decades, has been restored to its antebellum elegance. Its rooms and suites are as well appointed as any luxury hotel in the region, and its spa has become a draw for tourists.

The hotel lobby connects to the 35-story RSA Battle House Tower, a sparkling 470,000-square-foot high-rise that is the first truly Class A office space in Mobile, offering tenants the highest-quality space and most advanced technology available in the city. At 745 feet, the tower is also the tallest building on the Gulf Coast east of Houston.

The Battle House Tower, which opened in 2007, is just one of a number of investments that Mr. Bronner has shepherded within Mobile.

His agency also built a new cruise port for $16.1 million: the Alabama Cruise Terminal, a 302,000-square-foot docking area that has attracted cruise ships to the city, including some that used New Orleans as a port before Hurricane Katrina. It spent $97.3 million to buy and restore the 534,000-square-foot Grand Hotel across the water on the eastern arm of the Bay of Mobile, after it was damaged by the wind from Katrina. And the fund most recently spent $6.7 million to buy the 300,000-square-foot, 34-story former AmSouth Bank Building, built in 1965. It is under reconstruction for conversion into the city’s second Class A office tower.

Donald Epley, a professor of real estate and the director of the Mitchell College of Business Center for Real Estate Studies at the University of South Alabama in Mobile, said the retirement system’s investments here — and its even larger investments upstate in Alabama’s state capital, Montgomery — reflected a bet not just on the individual projects but also on the state’s economy.

“If you are going to talk about office space, you have to talk about employment, because that is what drives office space,” Mr. Epley said. “So the story is one also of economic development success here.”

The pension fund’s initiatives have inspired small local banks and other lenders to back business development here, Mr. Epley said.

While the fund’s investments have unquestionably helped the city weather the recession a bit better than some metropolitan areas, there have certainly been casualties. A review compiled by the Center for Real Estate Studies in September showed vacancy rates of about 18 percent in the first and second quarter of this year, based on availability in 191 commercial properties of all classes. By contrast, the rate in the first quarter of 2008 was 12.7 percent.

Mr. Bronner’s vision of investing in Alabama reflects an unusual approach for a state pension fund. Most, he said, are content to turn their money over to an investment manager, and most operate from a single goal of enhancing the value of the retirement funds by wise investments.

But Mr. Bronner has a reputation for taking a longer view, and has invested in real estate as a way to create cultural changes in the state. The approach has on occasion made him controversial, with critics suggesting that spending on economic development by building, owning and operating major hotels and office buildings isn’t the purpose of a state pension fund.

Mr. Bronner credits the fund’s investment in hotels and resorts associated with the Robert Trent Jones Golf Trail in Alabama for creating a multibillion-dollar tourist economy in the state. The agency spent more than $23 million building 11 luxury golf courses designed by Robert Trent Jones, and hundreds of millions more to build hotels and residential developments that the agency owns and operates at the courses. That move is credited with helping to attract business, like the immense new ThyssenKrupp Steel USA plant being constructed on the banks of the Mobile River, 30 miles north of the port city.

The Retirement Systems of Alabama has a story of revival of its own. Badly underfunded in the 1970s, with only $500 million in the kitty, it was limping along in the shadows of the State Capitol building in Montgomery when some civic leaders recruited Mr. Bronner, then a young financial visionary from Minnesota, to become its chief executive.

At the time, state office workers were housed in dozens of places around Montgomery. One of his first steps, he said, was to devise a plan to consolidate the workers into several large office buildings — largely built by the retirement system.

Mr. Bronner cites other deals that he is proud of, like investing in US Airways when it was in bankruptcy earlier this decade, and buying the 3.8-million-square-foot 55 Water Street, the largest building by floor area in New York City, according to Emporis.com, a Web site with an extensive database on buildings.

From a $500 million start, he has guided the agency into a $28 billion financial juggernaut. Mr. Bronner is fond of dragging reporters to the balcony of the fund’s well-appointed new office complex in Montgomery to gaze out at his symbolic signature — the green-trimmed rooftops of all the buildings that the fund has helped to build.

The fund’s most recent annual report carries an aerial photograph of the city with all of the buildings it has financed taken out of the picture. “It makes a point,” Mr. Bronner said with a grin. “This is what the city would look like without us.”

The retirement system has had an even greater impact in Montgomery than in Mobile — 2.5 million square feet of commercial and state office space — where local commercial real estate developers like Jerry Keyser say investors are now eager to put money into new restaurants, offices and retailing in the city’s downtown, including its new Alleyway project down the block from the retirement system’s recently completed 395,000-square-foot Renaissance Hotel, which includes a 1,800-seat performing arts center and convention hall.

Back in Mobile, pedestrian traffic has returned to downtown day and night, said David Rasp, owner of Heroes, a longtime downtown watering hole, and of the new Royal Scam restaurant near the Battle House. New investors, he noted, are opening restaurants, pubs, boutiques and other ventures despite the current recession.

The Battle House, built in 1852 on the headquarters site for Andrew Jackson in the War of 1812, was a cultural icon for more than a century before it succumbed to age and neglect in the late 1970s. Now it has once again become the cultural heart of Mobile, a place for posh Mardi Gras parties.

It has all been, Mr. Rasp said, a “very, very good idea” for Mobile.


The Battle House Tower is at the center of a renewal effort in Mobile.

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It is truly amazing what he has done for this state. All of these buildings are top notch and do a great deal for attracting new business and residents. I've been in many of the buildings and they are amazing.

I just hope he keeps up all of this work. I imagine that he'll start some Birmingham investments once the economy picks back up and the Railroad Park gets finished.
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That view of Montgomery has such a D.C. feel.....
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That view of Montgomery has such a D.C. feel.....
I agree. It has a very cosmopolitan look to it!
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