Edmonton Construction 9 (2008-08) - Page 430

Coldrsx · #**8581** Posted **Oct 20, 2009, 5:27 PM**

^while they might not ask for more, they deserve more and so do their students.

Tory, Fine arts, Law, and Arts wing is a joke.

don't touch the turtle though, it is poyfect.

Jasper and one o nin · #**8582** Posted **Oct 20, 2009, 5:44 PM**

isn't today the day "W" is in town?

Keats82 · #**8583** Posted **Oct 20, 2009, 5:47 PM**

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Originally Posted by tallisgood

The U of A Arts Faculty (except for Economics) is a joke, completely dominated by Marxists and Leninists, and that will never change since the profs there are tenured, not going anywhere, and hiring their own graduate students to eventually replace them... frankly, an ATCO trailor is MORE than they deserve.

lawl, bitterness is lawl

Coldrsx · #**8584** Posted **Oct 20, 2009, 6:02 PM**

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Originally Posted by Jasper and one o nin

isn't today the day "W" is in town?

yuppers cowboy

@shaw tonight

Roquentin · #**8585** Posted **Oct 20, 2009, 7:25 PM**

You don't know what you're talking about, tallisgood.

tallisgood · #**8586** Posted **Oct 20, 2009, 8:16 PM**

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Originally Posted by Coldrsx

^while they might not ask for more, they deserve more and so do their students.

Tory, Fine arts, Law, and Arts wing is a joke.

don't touch the turtle though, it is poyfect.

The students deserve a faculty commited to quality instruction that presents a wide diversity of ideas. Once they have that then construct a building to the moon for all I care. But until then I have no problem with the university concentrating its resources on the things it does well or that can contribute to future growth... like medicine, nursing, engineering, nanotech, etc.

But for what it's worth I like the turtle, too

Shodan · #**8587** Posted **Oct 21, 2009, 12:49 AM**

Edmonton to give free pizza for feedback on city planning

By FRANK LANDRY, CITY HALL BUREAU

Last Updated: 20th October 2009, 5:43pm

It’s an incentive to help out the city, delivered piping hot right to your door.

Officials today said residents who agree to host so-called “front room forums” to discuss Edmonton’s People Plan will be eligible for an extra-large pizza, complements of city hall.

“We all know discussions about quality of life go better with food,” said Marilyn Hussey, project coordinator with the city’s community services department.

The $385,000 People Plan will prioritize the kinds of services residents want to see over the next 10 years. It could include things like beefed-up policing, more snow clearing, longer recreation centre hours or more cultural events, among other things.

The pizza scheme will take up only small portion of that $385,000 budget, though Hussey said she didn’t have an exact breakdown.

People who sign up will be asked to set a date for their forum, Hussey said. They will receive a $25 voucher from Royal Pizza sent to them in the mail, along with a “front room forum discussion guide.”

Hussey acknowledged the city is depending on the goodwill of Edmontonians to actually hold the get-togethers after receiving the voucher and then forward key points of their discussions back to the city.

Those points will be used to create the People Plan, a policy document that will later go to council for approval.

Results of the front room forums are due Nov. 30.

“For us, it’s a way to make it a little more fun and provide an informal way to discuss quality of life issues,” Hussey said.

Taxpayer watchdog Scott Hennig said the tactic is likely cheaper than hiring a professional consultant to do hold sessions with focus groups.

He said otherwise, it would be difficult to get people interested in participating.

“Worse case scenario, it’s $2,500,” Hennig figures.

“The city wastes more than that on an average afternoon.

“Even if they get 25% of the people that want this free pizza actually hold (the forums) and provide good information back, it will still likely be cheaper than hiring a consultant.”

A public forum is also planned and different groups, like non-profit agencies and multi-cultural organizations, will be consulted, officials have said.

Surveys can also be filled out on the website.

Hussey said while there is no set goal for how many people participate, she hopes at least 100 Edmontonians will step up to host forums.

“It could be a church basement forum, it could be a kitchen table talk,” she said.

“You don’t necessarily have to have a front room.”

For more information go to

www.discussthewaywelive.ca

To sign up for a pizza party call 780-496-7898.

[email protected]

http://www.edmontonsun.com/news/edmonton/2009/10/20/11464876.html

CMD UW · #**8588** Posted **Oct 21, 2009, 3:35 AM**

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Originally Posted by tallisgood

The students deserve a faculty commited to quality instruction that presents a wide diversity of ideas. Once they have that then construct a building to the moon for all I care. But until then I have no problem with the university concentrating its resources on the things it does well or that can contribute to future growth... like medicine, nursing, engineering, nanotech, etc.

But for what it's worth I like the turtle, too

The University knows exactly what faculties their private donors have graduated from / support. The big money is geared towards health sciences, engineering, law and business. This is the focus of our Big 5 universities like it or not. The arts, humanities and social sciences faculties is where other the smaller universities / colleges can capitalize.

naidoo · #**8589** Posted **Oct 21, 2009, 5:27 AM**

Frankly the discourse surrounding the arts on this forum is pretty sad, and I'm from one of those "have" faculties as a researcher at NINT. The best scientists are those who are creative and have a strong appreciation and background in the arts and humanities - not surprisingly most of these people also live in some of the most progressive cities in the world.

So I don't know, I think it's pretty vital to the university as a whole that it invest in it's arts and humanities departments, and that we live in a city where the vast majority support this.

Throwing money at research doesn't really guarantee great research. NINT has great facilities, but we've lost some great students because so many just sort of hate living in Edmonton. That, and it's still not a hugley innovative place to be...yet.

SHOFEAR · #**8590** Posted **Oct 21, 2009, 1:39 PM**

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So I don't know, I think it's pretty vital to the university as a whole that it invest in it's arts and humanities departments, and that we live in a city where the vast majority support this.

But does supporting the arts actually lead to more "professional" artist or a more creative society, or will it just lead to more people rushing out of high school to take some silly program like art history simply to get a degree and then join the workforce four years later in a completely unrelated field?

Is it the responsibility of you and me to support somebody pursuing a hobby or curiosity for four years? Would the return on investment be higher if we encouraged these people to get a degree that can be directly applied to a career?

kcantor · #**8591** Posted **Oct 21, 2009, 3:15 PM**

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Originally Posted by SHOFEAR

But does supporting the arts actually lead to more "professional" artist or a more creative society, or will it just lead to more people rushing out of high school to take some silly program like art history simply to get a degree and then join the workforce four years later in a completely unrelated field?

Is it the responsibility of you and me to support somebody pursuing a hobby or curiosity for four years? Would the return on investment be higher if we encouraged these people to get a degree that can be directly applied to a career?

in answer to your first question, absolutely not - or at least absolutely not anymore than supporting someone pursuing a hobby or curiosity getting "a degree that can be directly applied to a career" should be supported either.

somehow i get the feeling that you think that 'your" career path should be paid for by others because it revolves around "things" and that you have somehow made a "better choice" than someone pursuing "liberal arts". well those "things" don't provide the soul that makes a city healthy and vibrant. the art gallery has no purpose without art, winspear has no purpose without music, the citadel and the jubilee have no purpose without performing arts.

hopefully your perspective and your appreciation for all things of value will broaden as or if you grow up.

Coldrsx · #**8592** Posted **Oct 21, 2009, 3:25 PM**

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Originally Posted by SHOFEAR

But does supporting the arts actually lead to more "professional" artist or a more creative society, or will it just lead to more people rushing out of high school to take some silly program like art history simply to get a degree and then join the workforce four years later in a completely unrelated field?

Is it the responsibility of you and me to support somebody pursuing a hobby or curiosity for four years? Would the return on investment be higher if we encouraged these people to get a degree that can be directly applied to a career?

keep your myopic head up next hockey game there big guy, this BA and his art history, canadian studies, econ, psych, stats, history, calcu, film studies, mandarin, poli sci, english, useless and silly 195lbs frame is going to give you a graduate class in physics.

I appreciate we each have our own reasons for entering forms of post secondary education and while i entered into university at 17 and without much direction, i knew i wanted to learn more, about everything. Looking back i am very happy with my BA (Econ/psych) degree and while i am not a psychological economist, the wonderful spectrum of courses i was exposed to in my 4 years gave me a very good base of world knowledge, life knowledge, and a significant amount of knowledge many on the 'west' side of campus do not get exposed to and IMO to their detriment.

University is about learning, discussing, debating, philosophizing, exploring, and going to be power plant for 11am beer.

Arts and Fine Arts are at the very basis of what universities have always been about.

De cetero, fratres, quaecumque sunt vera,quaecumque pudica, quaecumque justa, quaecumque sancta, quaecumque amabilia, quaecumque bonae famae, si qua virtus, si qua laus disciplinae, haec cogitate.

Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and there be any praise, think on these things.

Coldrsx · #**8593** Posted **Oct 21, 2009, 3:31 PM**

free events coming up

Ontario’s World Class Renewable Energy Programs - What is Possible in Alberta?
Oct. 21, 2009 Wednesday @ 7:00 PM - 8:30 PM

Ontario is the province that everyone is looking at now as an example of how to make the transition to clean energy. Ontario’s Green Energy Act has initiated North America’s most aggressive renewable energy program enabling individuals, communities, First Nations and companies, to feed renewable power onto their grid as a tool to permanently phase out their coal power fleet. Tim Weis of the Pembina Institute will talk about these exciting Canadian developments as well as what Alberta’s options are to foster rapid development of our vast solar, biomass, hydro and wind resources.
Location:       Grant MacEwan University CN Theatre Room 5-142
Address:       10700 104th. Street
Cost:             Free
Registration: Not necessary
For details:    Attached flyer

Getting to a Net Zero Energy Lifestyle in Canada – Utilizing Solar Energy for Shelter, Mobility and Food
Nov. 4, 2009 Wednesday @ 7:00 PM - 8:30 PM

Montreal architect Sevag Podharian has gone beyond net zero energy buildings to envision a net zero energy lifestyle including transportation and food. He will be in Edmonton on November 4 to speak about the Alstonvale Net Zero Energy House.
Location:       Grant MacEwan University CN Theatre Room 5-142
Address:       10700 104th. Street
Cost:             Free
Registration: Not necessary
For details:    Attached flyer

Kevin_foster · #**8594** Posted **Oct 21, 2009, 3:32 PM**

Talking about the arts, did anyone happen to go see Ron Mueck's display (the one with the giant babies)...

Apparently they couldn't fit the entire exhibit into the Temporary Art Gallery

Can't wait for the AGA to Open....

Coldrsx · #**8595** Posted **Oct 21, 2009, 3:36 PM**

^saw part of it... creepy in very cool way.

dancinb · #**8596** Posted **Oct 21, 2009, 4:05 PM**

One of the drawbacks of art is that, in my experience, it is more expensive to pursue the arts than it is to pursue a university degree. I've spent over $100,000 in the last 5 years on dance. That pales in comparison to what the "world class" couples spend. If I could have spent more on it, I would have.

How many people (under the age of 30) spend $100,000 on anything in 5 years...even a mortgage or education?

People dedicated to the arts sacrifice a LOT of things that North America deems of value. A house, a car, drinking beers while watching the game, big TVs, etc. I didn't own a car until I was nearly 31, I still rent, I've never owned a TV, I'll have 1 beer where my friends will have 5.

Why?

Because I see value in art. I've never heard anyone talk about accounting with joy. Dance? People are always smiling. Yes, even the guys.

Would it be nice if there was public or corporate help? Absolutely. I've sent letters to corporations for sponsorship to go to our national championships. The ones that reply say no because they don't support individuals. Only teams.

Unfortunately for the arts, the arts usually isn't a team thing and I believe this is because learning in a group environment is an incredibly inefficient way of learning an art form.

Kevin_foster · #**8597** Posted **Oct 21, 2009, 5:23 PM**

There is a gunman holding 8 people hostage at the WCB building downtown right now...

Xelebes · #**8598** Posted **Oct 21, 2009, 6:37 PM**

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Originally Posted by Kevin_foster

There is a gunman holding 8 people hostage at the WCB building downtown right now...

Made a separate thread here.

240glt · #**8599** Posted **Oct 21, 2009, 7:27 PM**

The three years I spent working on an (uncompleted) arts degree has helped me greatly in my current professional career. So many people come out of B.Sc programs are barely literate, have no communication or writing skills and are really quite ignorant beyond their particular realm of study. There are knowledge and skills attainable in a BA program that are totally relevant and valuable in the real world.

240glt · #**8600** Posted **Oct 21, 2009, 7:42 PM**

Project Information:"EXPECTED PROJECT" - LOUISE MCKINNEY PARK BUILDING 2 RETAIL AREA RETROFIT

The work to be undertaken under this contract consists of: Minor demolition and preparation to an existing building. New construction to divide an existing maintenance space and add a washroom. Associated Mechanical and Electrical work. The successful Bidder shall complete the Work not later than January 31, 2010.