ATLANTA | Development Thread V

[RobMidtowner]

Originally Posted by BlindFatSnake

Vision WILL open it doors on the infamous Peachtree, and WILL bite the dust when the economics are right. Rather of not we approve of this establishment is a personal opinion at best, and a viled attempt at exploiting cultural biases at worst. Besides, who are we - pennyless and highly opinionated - to dictate on a forum what decisions MUST be made with money belonging to real "movers and shakers"? For the most part, we're sitting in the stands rooting for the "team of ideas" we like best, and we didn't even pay admission.

Mayor Franklin WILL approve the club... You don't invest $4 mil in a business and have the city snub it's nose at your effort... The permitting process would have been a roadblock if the club was not going to happen.

Say what you will about the pros and cons of Vision, but one thing is for sure: Peachtree evening and night presence will be better and more pedestrian since club goer will walk from Crescent to Peachtree to 14th street seeking a place to dance and drink...

Um...actually some of us are residents in the neighborhood that will have to deal with all the bad side-effects. We're the ones that have our streets and parking garages clogged with people going to the club. We're the ones who wake up on Saturday and Sunday morning to see the flyers, broken glass and smells of urine. We're the ones who are being forced to sit back and take all the crap associated with this club while our "leaders" ignore us. The night presence may be better for some but the morning-after presence will undoubtedly be worse.

[pdpmishap]

Originally Posted by cybele

Is the club transit and/or pedestrian friendly, or will most people be driving in from somewhere else? Seems like this would be a fantastic location for a transit-oriented solution. If you could get enough people taking the train or the bus, that would cut way down on cruising and parking issues. It could also help with potential driving hazards, especially for patrons who might be talking on cell phones or texting after having had a few drinks.

It's only about a block or so from the Midtown station but that shuts down at 1am well before the club closes. The northern entrance to the station is also shut down by then so you guarantee at least 2 intersection crossings to get to/from the club. It's not too pedestrian friendly b/c all the other clubs are on the other side behind 1010Midtown leading to a lot of people crossing Peachtree at 11th St. The parking situation's been noted as being inadequate and cost prohibitive if it's like any of Gidewon's other clubs. The neighbors will probably enjoy a lot of illegally parked cars blocking driveways etc. Would be great for parking enforcement though.

The cruising would be more of a result of a lot of people gathered in front of the club or generally impeded traffic flow. People seem to love to cruise and not go anywhere. If they're putting the VIP at the glass and I'm guessing the entrance as well, you're going to have quite the spectacle.

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[ATLaffinity]

nobody is going to take MARTA to this club LOL

worst of all, the club seems about 6 years too late. it sounds like a 2003 story.

i don't see how anyone can say with a straight face that this isn't going to cause problems for Loews and 1010. it doesn't have to be illegal. just the noise and traffic and those fucking cards that will be littered all over the streets.

[AtlMidtowner]

Originally Posted by RobMidtowner

Um...actually some of us are residents in the neighborhood that will have to deal with all the bad side-effects. We're the ones that have our streets and parking garages clogged with people going to the club. We're the ones who wake up on Saturday and Sunday morning to see the flyers, broken glass and smells of urine. We're the ones who are being forced to sit back and take all the crap associated with this club while our "leaders" ignore us. The night presence may be better for some but the morning-after presence will undoubtedly be worse.

As an atheist, I have to say AMEN to those statements.

I am sure all the young people all over town will be happy and the "leaders" will be happy of revenue, but the neighborhood will pay the real price "if" the club becomes successful. Smaller clubs dont bother me at all, such as Tap, Shout, Opera, Lava,and even Whiskey Bar at the W etc, but another mega bar like Vision will mean every morning when I walk my dog, there will be MUCH more trash as far away on 13th Street from flyers and "visitors" from other neighborhoods that will drop their trash on "our" street where they will illegally park because they are too cheap to pay $5 parking on the DoNothing property.

I guess this officially qualifies me as a NIMBY.

[AtlMidtowner]

Originally Posted by 1lifealex

Don't get me wrong pdpmishap I understand what you are saying, but i'm sorry this is more of an prejudice matter not the location.

This part of Midtown is quite integrated, both in terms of residents and clubs. I am sure there are indeed some who protest the club for racist reasons (some racists flyers were distributed); however, the overwhelming majority of the people opposing that live in the neigbhorhood dont oppose for racist reasons, but because of the problems experienced with Vision and the fear that this will be repeated. Trash, noisy cruising, yelling, urinating, street fights, etc is what the residents have to look forward to. You want to walk your dog where he constantly is sniffing and walking human urine (just see my avatar stained in human yellow color) and then coming home and sleeping on my pillow. For a while when Vision first opened, I literally could hear the bass beats coming out of Vision, even though I live almost 400' up in a penthouse!

I dont have a problem with race or location, it is SIZE and problems caused by that size and quantity of drunk and semi drunk people concentrated where I and my wife live and walk. I never have any problem with the clubs on Crescent, 12th and 13th street.

I cant believe some of the younger forumers think that a crowded bar, and clogged streets due to ONE bar (not due to residents and an urban lifestyle) is an what urbanism is all about!!

[pdpmishap]

Originally Posted by AtlMidtowner

As an atheist, I have to say AMEN to those statements.

I am sure all the young people all over town will be happy and the "leaders" will be happy of revenue, but the neighborhood will pay the real price "if" the club becomes successful. Smaller clubs dont bother me at all, such as Tap, Shout, Opera, Lava,and even Whiskey Bar at the W etc, but another mega bar like Vision will mean every morning when I walk my dog, there will be MUCH more trash as far away on 13th Street from flyers and "visitors" from other neighborhoods that will drop their trash on "our" street where they will illegally park because they are too cheap to pay $5 parking on the DoNothing property.

I guess this officially qualifies me as a NIMBY.

Just as a heads up, Opera is something like 13,000 sq ft indoor/outdoor and a capacity of 1,200 making it a bit bigger than either the new Vision or the new lounge individually but smaller than the combined spaces. Oddly the two lounges only have an official capaciy of about 1,300 despite having 7,000 more sq ft. Makes me wonder if they'll be pushing closer to 2,000 people at a time.

Parking will probably be a lot more than $5 there too. I once made the mistake of driving to the "valet" parking area at Velvet Room where I was told it was $25 to have the guy park it 20ft away and hand me my keys. You'll find nothing but cars backing up onto Juniper and circling around to Peachtree and Crescent looking for cheap parking.

[popewiz]

Originally Posted by BlindFatSnake

Vision WILL open it doors on the infamous Peachtree, and WILL bite the dust when the economics are right. Rather of not we approve of this establishment is a personal opinion at best, and a viled attempt at exploiting cultural biases at worst. Besides, who are we - pennyless and highly opinionated - to dictate on a forum what decisions MUST be made with money belonging to real "movers and shakers"? For the most part, we're sitting in the stands rooting for the "team of ideas" we like best, and we didn't even pay admission.

What an idiotic thing to say. Just because we don't all drop a few million dollars trying to start a night club we shouldn't have a say? This is our city and our neighborhood just as much as it is theirs and our opinions should be considered. And if we didn't "pay admission" please explain to me all these taxes I'm paying.

[sevensixtwo]

Originally Posted by pdpmishap

Maybe $1M for actual renovations and $3M for greasing palms?

I don't think it'll affect CB2 as much as the Loews Hotel.

I think an excess foot traffic of ballers wouldn't be so terrible for a luxury hotel.

Originally Posted by ATLaffinity

it's a nightmare for 1010 residents.

Like all 20 of them? Aren't we trying to get more fun loving young people to supplement the retail demand created by middle aged professionals?

[sevensixtwo]

Originally Posted by briantech

I agree. The nightlife that surrounds the Crescent street area is perfect for the area in my opinion. Smaller venues, but more of them. Creates more variety and atmospheres to choose from.

But it's way easier to hook up in a mega-club, and that's what brings in the hype. People like to live around stuff like that. Broken glass and trash and piss isn't really so bad is it? That's the gritty urbanity that the suburbs lack. I'll take it over a 45 minute commute any day.

[ATLBlaxican]

"Can't we all just get along?"

[BlueSangha]

Originally Posted by skapunkskatedude

Busy road it may be, but there are lots of pedestrians walking it, as it is a campus... I'm fairly certain that was the logic behind improving the sidewalks

I know, I am one of those students-and I am not questioning the logic-it just look like crap.

[BlueSangha]

[quote=skapunkskatedude;4496313]Hmm. I'm pretty sure you were the first person to mention race with regards to that club...


Your statement is not true-just go back to earlier posts in this thread when the debate began.

[BlueSangha]

Originally Posted by RobMidtowner

Um...actually some of us are residents in the neighborhood that will have to deal with all the bad side-effects. We're the ones that have our streets and parking garages clogged with people going to the club. We're the ones who wake up on Saturday and Sunday morning to see the flyers, broken glass and smells of urine. We're the ones who are being forced to sit back and take all the crap associated with this club while our "leaders" ignore us. The night presence may be better for some but the morning-after presence will undoubtedly be worse.

Well, I guess you should have fought a little harder now shouldn't you.

[echinatl]

Originally Posted by BlueSangha

Well, I guess you should have fought a little harder now shouldn't you.

The problem is that it doesn't matter how hard you fight, the outcome would have been the same.
Who wants to organize a couple hundred people to go sit at the bar and order waters all night? If they can't pay their bills they can't stay open.

[boomtown]

According to today's ABC, Hudson Grill is opening in the former Artistry location across from Taco Mac on Peachtree in late October.....some GOOD news for midtown.

[Atlantan26]

yay this club is opening on peachtree!!

I was starting to miss the ghettoness that once existed in midtown.

I am starting a petition to bring back Freaknic too! whos with me?

[pdpmishap]

Originally Posted by Atlantan26

yay this club is opening on peachtree!!

I was starting to miss the ghettoness that once existed in midtown.

I am starting a petition to bring back Freaknic too! whos with me?

Stop w/ that nonsense...midtownvision.com has clearly stated that it'll be high income/professional people only. I believe they'll be checking for both college degrees and W2 statements at the door.

Everyone knows that it takes a six figure income and $500k liquid to afford between 0-$20 cover and $7-10/drink.

[BlindFatSnake]

Pdmishap & Atlantan26,

Everyone knows "White Trash" can't be disguised, nor can it blend in with normal Caucasians. That's why rednecks were not allowed to party in Buckhead Village, but you can slosh down PBRs and fried pickles in Forsyth and Pickens county.

If you wanna take this racist BS to the next level, keep piping off with quotated words (i.e, "leaders"), and bringing up all-black events such as Freanik to make your point. Any 3rd-grade idiot can read through your backwoods upbringing as you try to mask your inbred heritage.

Nuff said!

[pdpmishap]

Originally Posted by BlindFatSnake

Pdmishap & Atlantan26,

Everyone knows "White Trash" can't be disguised, nor can it blend in with normal Caucasians. That's why rednecks were not allowed to party in Buckhead Village, but you can slosh down PBRs and fried pickles in Forsyth and Pickens county.

If you wanna take this racist BS to the next level, keep piping off with quotated words (i.e, "leaders"), and bringing up all-black events such as Freanik to make your point. Any 3rd-grade idiot can read through your backwoods upbringing as you try to mask your inbred heritage.

Nuff said!

Who said I was caucasian? I never said Vision will be chock full of black thugs and gangsters. I just think it's presumptuous for the Gidewons to assume everyone who goes to Vision will be high income professionals b/c we all know that cover charges and expensive drinks are unaffordable unless you make in the top quintile of income. It doesn't make the club itself dangerous but the Gidewon's clubs just aren't known for being good neighbors. They do have very good security inside and at the door but virtually all club property crime and violence happens outside and that happens anywhere there's alcohol and guys. The place could be as white as East Andrews gets but I'd still oppose it b/c it's simply too big and poorly placed.

I've frequented Vision for years...from the point where I was a broke college student forward. It's definitely a fun place to go and I met more than a few 18 year olds there . I just don't think it fits the street anymore w/ its oversized capacity and undersized parking lot. If you've been out to Velvet on a busy night you know parking is a mess and there's a lot fewer people that actually live in that area. I definitely don't like any of the idiots that cruise in front of clubs bumping music but I don't believe that's the club's fault other than poor urban planning. BTW, those jackasses can be of any race...go out to Gwinnett and you'll see Asians, Whites, and Hispanics all doing the exact same crap. My neighbors and I simply pay too much to this city to be subjected to the whims of a few for a very big net negative for Midtown.