ATLANTA | Development Thread V - Page 88

(four 0 four) · #**1741** Posted **Oct 7, 2009, 8:34 PM**

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Originally Posted by ATLaffinity

it's a nightmare for 1010 residents.

Both of them.

I really hope Shirley does the right thing and does not approve the license.

Downtown from the North Avenue bridge...

L.ARCH · #**1742** Posted **Oct 7, 2009, 9:05 PM**

In other news, Perkins + Will has purchased the midrise building across from the High Museum for their new office location and plans are for a major renovation of the space with a possible retail/restaurant space to be added at the ground floor. Look for this one to go for LEED platinum as they want the building to showcase some of the most sustainable building practices available today.

BlueSangha · #**1743** Posted **Oct 7, 2009, 9:18 PM**

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I don't think so. Plus wouldn't the retail component like CB2 have different operating hours than a Night Club? I guess it's kind of a moot point anyways seeing that the only step left really is for the Mayor's ok. We'll see...

In other news, I was kind of surprised to see that vendors have already moved into the newly built kiosks. I really like the way they turned out. I actually feel ok to buy something from them as opposed to buying a drink out of someone’s shady cooler. Also, the Decatur St. improvements seem to be rolling along quite nicely. I can’t wait to see the finished product. Does anyone know what they’re doing at the Suntrust building by Woodruff Park?

I have to say that I am disturbed by the quality (or lack of) on the Decatur street "improvements". The sidewalks are horrible-instead of taking out all of the sidewalks and starting over-they simply added new sidewalk to the old. In some places it's uneven and poorly constructed. What was the point of all that anyway-all they accomplished was narrowing a busy road. I doubt the finished product will look all that impressive considering the crap that lines the streets to begin with.

I would like to know what they are doing at the Suntrust building as well, seeing as GSU owns it now.

BlueSangha · #**1744** Posted **Oct 7, 2009, 9:24 PM**

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Originally Posted by ATLaffinity

CB2 won't be hurt.

it's a nightmare for Loews.

it's a nightmare for 1010 residents.

i don't buy this argument-further i don't see it as a hinderance for further development. firstly, there will not be any further development anytime soon. secondly-if someone wants to develop that property, vison will close again.

skapunkskatedude · #**1745** Posted **Oct 7, 2009, 10:09 PM**

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Originally Posted by BlueSangha

I have to say that I am disturbed by the quality (or lack of) on the Decatur street "improvements". The sidewalks are horrible-instead of taking out all of the sidewalks and starting over-they simply added new sidewalk to the old. In some places it's uneven and poorly constructed. What was the point of all that anyway-all they accomplished was narrowing a busy road. I doubt the finished product will look all that impressive considering the crap that lines the streets to begin with.

I would like to know what they are doing at the Suntrust building as well, seeing as GSU owns it now.

Busy road it may be, but there are lots of pedestrians walking it, as it is a campus... I'm fairly certain that was the logic behind improving the sidewalks

cabasse · #**1746** Posted **Oct 7, 2009, 11:20 PM**

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Originally Posted by L.ARCH

In other news, Perkins + Will has purchased the midrise building across from the High Museum for their new office location and plans are for a major renovation of the space with a possible retail/restaurant space to be added at the ground floor. Look for this one to go for LEED platinum as they want the building to showcase some of the most sustainable building practices available today.

the building with setbacks on each floor? this? i've always liked that building for some reason... good to hear

1lifealex · #**1747** Posted **Oct 8, 2009, 2:30 AM**

I bet if this was an all white club no one will say anything. I wish people where not so prejudice.

pdpmishap · #**1748** Posted **Oct 8, 2009, 3:04 AM**

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Originally Posted by 1lifealex

I bet if this was an all white club no one will say anything. I wish people where not so prejudice.

Yes, b/c everyone opposing this club is white and want only white people patronizing nightclubs in the area. If that were the case, there'd be daily protests in front of Bulldogs. It has nothing to do w/ the level of traffic and parking problems you get by putting 20,000 sqft of club w/ only ~250 parking spaces on the block (no doubt costing $20-50 to park there) forcing cars to circle looking for parking. It also has nothing to do w/ the history of people cruising and causing traffic jams in front of Vision when it was around or the property crime from drunken club goers. Ask the residents near Velvet Room if they're happy w/ the amt of security the Gidewons provide. Compound's quiet but its only neighbors are a Marta depot and a few industrial buildings which isn't a problem. Instead you've got a few hundred million in condos directly overhead and people mostly out of SPI's target demographic no matter how upscale their zebrawood, marble, or chrome is.

Edit: I'm not saying there aren't people afraid of hip hop/black crowd who do frequent the Gidewon clubs...just saying that's not the only reason why the club is contested. We've been through this all before and I've enjoyed clubs like Vision, Compound, and Velvet Room for years as have many in the opposition. It's simply a matter of poor land use and trying to retain any semblance of homeowner equity.

1lifealex · #**1749** Posted **Oct 8, 2009, 4:01 AM**

Don't get me wrong pdpmishap I understand what you are saying, but i'm sorry this is more of an prejudice matter not the location.

Atlwest281 · #**1750** Posted **Oct 8, 2009, 5:02 AM**

Nah I think its more of this area has changed since the original Vision closed down. The concern is that people don't want the actions of a few(not saying all or the club owners) to hinder what is a natural maturity of the area. Club district should be built in the more barren western side between Westmidtown and downtown. Tons of open spaces and only industry and few residential neighborhoods.

citywalker · #**1751** Posted **Oct 8, 2009, 9:09 AM**

agreed~!!! I think a club like this would not see any protest if it were anywhere on crescent or beyond closer to the interstate....still in midtown but not right in the middle of condo, restaurant, retail, walkable central. It has become too dense and residential on Peachtree for a club of this size....the parking lot for this club may only be 250 spaces which i doubt is even that much...but there are two other restaurants that share the lot, one open 24 hours, not to mention that all visitors of the area can park there. So where do all these people for a 20k sf club go???? on all the side streets, illegally parked and cruising and circling with speakers blaring at 2am sorry but people actually live here...alot of them....they remember what it was like with vision and one tweezy last time and don't want to see it all over again.

gttx · #**1752** Posted **Oct 8, 2009, 12:57 PM**

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Originally Posted by L.ARCH

In other news, Perkins + Will has purchased the midrise building across from the High Museum for their new office location and plans are for a major renovation of the space with a possible retail/restaurant space to be added at the ground floor. Look for this one to go for LEED platinum as they want the building to showcase some of the most sustainable building practices available today.

Some great news for a boring week! I'm assuming this is the building next to the gaping hole that was supposed to be One Museum Place? I know it was for sale for a long time.

Will they be vacating their current headquarters on 17th St? If so, that could free up that area for interesting development, especially if 1400 Peachtree ever gets built.

foxmccleod · #**1753** Posted **Oct 8, 2009, 1:18 PM**

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Originally Posted by gttx

Some great news for a boring week! I'm assuming this is the building next to the gaping hole that was supposed to be One Museum Place? I know it was for sale for a long time.

Will they be vacating their current headquarters on 17th St? If so, that could free up that area for interesting development, especially if 1400 Peachtree ever gets built.

Our building at 17th Street is for sale/lease. We will also be vacating the Earthlink building. The current plans are for a complete renovation of the building (interior, exterior, rooftop terrace), along with an additional retail space closing in the ground level parking lot. As stated, the goal is LEED Platinum. I believe our move in date is mid-summer 2010.

There were plans at one point to build an 11 story building on top of the current house footprint, but it was deemed too expensive. It was pretty skinny. There were also plans to move into a building being planned at the NE corner of 14th and Howell Mill, but all of the renewable energy features we required were being value engineered out of the project.

micropundit · #**1754** Posted **Oct 8, 2009, 1:27 PM**

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Originally Posted by gttx

Some great news for a boring week! I'm assuming this is the building next to the gaping hole that was supposed to be One Museum Place? I know it was for sale for a long time.

Will they be vacating their current headquarters on 17th St? If so, that could free up that area for interesting development, especially if 1400 Peachtree ever gets built.

I believe that there was an earlier post that stated that the developers of the proposed 1400 Peachtree project were interested in the now former Perkins+ Will building.

The former Museum Place site would be a perfect location for a stand alone opera house. The recent press accounts of the Dallas Center for the Performing Arts demonstrate the value attached to a comprehensive arts district. With the plans for the Woodruff campus inching along, the lot, across the street (and with a Peachtree street address), would make an excellent location for the long term goal of the Atlanta Opera Company ,their own building.

echinatl · #**1755** Posted **Oct 8, 2009, 3:20 PM**

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Originally Posted by 1lifealex

Don't get me wrong pdpmishap I understand what you are saying, but i'm sorry this is more of an prejudice matter not the location.

You're an idiot. I mean really that is such a racist thing to say.

BlindFatSnake · #**1756** Posted **Oct 8, 2009, 6:04 PM**

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Vision WILL open it doors on the infamous Peachtree, and WILL bite the dust when the economics are right. Rather of not we approve of this establishment is a personal opinion at best, and a viled attempt at exploiting cultural biases at worst. Besides, who are we - pennyless and highly opinionated - to dictate on a forum what decisions MUST be made with money belonging to real "movers and shakers"? For the most part, we're sitting in the stands rooting for the "team of ideas" we like best, and we didn't even pay admission.

Mayor Franklin WILL approve the club... You don't invest $4 mil in a business and have the city snub it's nose at your effort... The permitting process would have been a roadblock if the club was not going to happen.

Say what you will about the pros and cons of Vision, but one thing is for sure: Peachtree evening and night presence will be better and more pedestrian since club goer will walk from Crescent to Peachtree to 14th street seeking a place to dance and drink...

cybele · #**1757** Posted **Oct 8, 2009, 6:42 PM**

Is the club transit and/or pedestrian friendly, or will most people be driving in from somewhere else? Seems like this would be a fantastic location for a transit-oriented solution. If you could get enough people taking the train or the bus, that would cut way down on cruising and parking issues. It could also help with potential driving hazards, especially for patrons who might be talking on cell phones or texting after having had a few drinks.

(four 0 four) · #**1758** Posted **Oct 8, 2009, 7:26 PM**

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Originally Posted by BlindFatSnake

Say what you will about the pros and cons of Vision, but one thing is for sure: Peachtree evening and night presence will be better and more pedestrian since club goer will walk from Crescent to Peachtree to 14th street seeking a place to dance and drink...

This will not be an asset to the "Peachtree evening and night presence" if its managed anything like the former Vision or the final years of the Buckhead party scene.

yangtze · #**1759** Posted **Oct 8, 2009, 7:29 PM**

This club will open, but lets see how long it will last. There will be binoculars and cameras zoomed into the club and surrounding areas from the condos above, and all the violations will be documented and used to shut down the club once and for all.

Remember what happened to Backstreet - this thing can be shut the same way.
Good luck to the club that wants to open against the neighborhood.

skapunkskatedude · #**1760** Posted **Oct 8, 2009, 7:45 PM**

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Originally Posted by 1lifealex

Don't get me wrong pdpmishap I understand what you are saying, but i'm sorry this is more of an prejudice matter not the location.

Hmm. I'm pretty sure you were the first person to mention race with regards to that club...

If it was more to do with prejudice than the location, wouldn't people be protesting outside of all the black clubs, regardless of location? Just a thought.