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same question
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o so this atlanta rummor has some truthe to it?
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The Thrasers owners went on the record during the whole Phoenix situation that they were tied to the ownership of the Atlanta Hawks, as well as the lease agreement. I wouldn't put much stock in this rumor at the moment.
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if Balsille couldn't get a team in Hamilton how is anyone going to get a team in Winnipeg? Not to mention there is no one with the money who has ever expressed moving a team to Winnipeg in the first place.
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if Balsille couldn't get a team in Hamilton how is anyone going to get a team in Winnipeg? Not to mention there is no one with the money who has ever expressed moving a team to Winnipeg in the first place.
Ummm, you don't actually know why Balsillie was turned down in his (several) attempts to bring hockey to Hamilton eh?
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if Balsille couldn't get a team in Hamilton how is anyone going to get a team in Winnipeg?
There is a huge difference between Hamilton and Winnipeg, with several factors working in Winnipeg's favor.

1. A Winnipeg franchise would not be infringing on any market. The closest NHL team is in Minnesota. Hamilton would have had territorial issues with Buffalo and Toronto. A team in Hamilton could have killed off the Sabres for good.

2. The NHL has a history of giving cities a second chance at making a go of it in the league. Minnesota, Atlanta, Colorado, and San Jose all had teams that relocated due to mismanagement.

3. Winnipeg has an arena that the NHL has stated it had met the standards of the league. Not so in Hamilton.
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Here is the real reason the NHL won't allow a team to transfer to Hamilton: There are about 250~ million reasons bettman won't allow it. Expansion fees.

But I had not considered the impact it would have on Buffalo. I know many Buffalo season ticket holders are from Southern Ontario. And there is a very good likelihood they'd change loyalties.

The new NHL would have to pay compensation to both Toronto and Buffalo. Would it be enough to offset lost sales???
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if Balsille couldn't get a team in Hamilton how is anyone going to get a team in Winnipeg? Not to mention there is no one with the money who has ever expressed moving a team to Winnipeg in the first place.
The NHL wants to be back in Winnipeg, period. The Globe and Mail published an email that was subpoenaed by the courts that was FROM Gary Bettman to his deputy commissioner Bill Daly. In this email, is says "If Pheonix needs to relocate, it should be offered to Winnipeg first".

This wasn't a media interview, or Bettman trying to score points with Canada. This was a secret email between Bettman and Daly that was not intended to ever be leaked to the media.
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if Balsille couldn't get a team in Hamilton how is anyone going to get a team in Winnipeg? Not to mention there is no one with the money who has ever expressed moving a team to Winnipeg in the first place. I'm really just a troll and don't know what I'm talking about
There, fixed your post for you. You can thank me another time.

The Balsillie logic doesn't flow since any prospective owner here won't likely try to bully their way into the league.
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if Balsille couldn't get a team in Hamilton how is anyone going to get a team in Winnipeg? Not to mention there is no one with the money who has ever expressed moving a team to Winnipeg in the first place.
Didn't Ron Maclean mention on that spot that there in fact was a group based in Toronto interested in getting a team in Winnipeg? They just said the corporate support in Winnipeg was currently lacking.
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Didn't Ron Maclean mention on that spot that there in fact was a group based in Toronto interested in getting a team in Winnipeg? They just said the corporate support in Winnipeg was currently lacking.
no theres a group in toronto thats initiated the process to get the atlanta team throug the proper procedjures vs what whats his name is doing... and that theres no one here willing to pony up the corprat funds is reason why we lost the jets in the first place and how thats been a major hurdal for this city still
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Chew on this NHL rumour...
Toronto buyers moving Thrashers to Winnipeg
By: Tim Campbell

There was more NHL/Winnipeg speculation on Saturday night's Hockey Night in Canada's Satellite Hotstove.

On the season's opening weekend, the captivated nation was told that big money from Toronto has done plenty of work already to buy the Atlanta Thrashers and move them to Winnipeg. Is it just another episode of wishful thinking or a real indicator of what's afoot?

True North Sports and Entertainment chairman Mark Chipman wasn't saying on Sunday, taking his usual tack of the less said the better. There are several known quantities to this ongoing story:

* The NHL has more problems than just the financially drowning Phoenix Coyotes.

* Chipman, whose company owns Winnipeg's MTS Centre, has been a consistently keen observer of NHL franchise matters for longer than his arena has been open (2004) and has never denied his interest in some future deal that might bring the NHL back to the city.

* One of the biggest partners in the True North success story, and certainly its most well-heeled, is Osmington, Inc., the Toronto-based private real estate company of David Thomson, the richest man in Canada and son of the late Ken Thomson.

* Chipman and True North have been to NHL headquarters in New York to address league executives and governors about their new arena, their situation and their interest and they continue to maintain a very quiet but open channel for dialogue with the league's leadership.

* In this case of Saturday's HNIC outburst, the Thrashers' owners, the Spirit group of eight partners, have been embroiled in disputes and legal wrangling for about four years over control of the NHL team, the NBA Hawks and Philips Arena. This summer, a judge tossed out a lawsuit that sent the bickering partners back to the starting blocks over share valuation and how one side or the other could be bought out. It's thought that the group is far more interested in basketball and could sell the Thrashers, but that's only speculation.

* In recent years, hopeful yet emotionally battered Winnipeggers have gotten better at not overreacting to every bit of speculation or mention of their city and the NHL, even when it comes from influential or powerful figures like league commissioner Gary Bettman himself.

All of the above considered, the tone of any speculation on Winnipeg seemed to move one grade towards legitimate in the spring when, among the court filings and briefs in the Coyotes' debacle, it was discovered that Bettman wrote in an email earlier this year that the Coyotes, if they were going to be sold and relocated anywhere, ought to be offered up first to Winnipeg.

That seemed to infer the commissioner, so wildly reviled for chasing teams out of Canada in the mid-'90s, would now give his blessing for a repatriation.

Chipman had almost no reaction to that revelation, too, not only because he had no intention of rocking the boat but also because he was steadfastly sticking to his position that the NHL knows where we are.

Even as the Phoenix mess stumbled from headline to headline to last week's interim conclusion that Ontario billionaire Jim Balsillie could not buy the bankrupt team and relocate it to Hamilton, the eager return-of-the-Jets type crowd would no doubt urge Chipman to get into the bidding line the NHL will surely seek for Winnipeg's former team.

But the financial morass in the desert will be more complicated and expensive than most suspect, Chipman said late last week, while hinting he and his group won't be rushing into the first money pit that comes along. He didn't say he was done looking, though.

The group has previously kicked tires in Nashville, and watched with great interest in Phoenix, but both situations are both tainted and inflated by Balsillie's inept interventions.

Maybe they're kicking tires in Atlanta, too, or maybe not. Chipman won't say, but you can take this to the bank -- he's only going to look at the possibilities as sound business propositions and if he has any control over it, Winnipeg won't be dragged into any bidding wars and his group continues to have no desire to make a single public proclamation about what it may or may not do until it's done.

That should suggest to the wise money that the story is a long way from over.

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Chew on this NHL rumour...
Toronto buyers moving Thrashers to Winnipeg
By: Tim Campbell

There was more NHL/Winnipeg speculation on Saturday night's Hockey Night in Canada's Satellite Hotstove.

On the season's opening weekend, the captivated nation was told that big money from Toronto has done plenty of work already to buy the Atlanta Thrashers and move them to Winnipeg. Is it just another episode of wishful thinking or a real indicator of what's afoot?

True North Sports and Entertainment chairman Mark Chipman wasn't saying on Sunday, taking his usual tack of the less said the better. There are several known quantities to this ongoing story:

* The NHL has more problems than just the financially drowning Phoenix Coyotes.

* Chipman, whose company owns Winnipeg's MTS Centre, has been a consistently keen observer of NHL franchise matters for longer than his arena has been open (2004) and has never denied his interest in some future deal that might bring the NHL back to the city.

* One of the biggest partners in the True North success story, and certainly its most well-heeled, is Osmington, Inc., the Toronto-based private real estate company of David Thomson, the richest man in Canada and son of the late Ken Thomson.

* Chipman and True North have been to NHL headquarters in New York to address league executives and governors about their new arena, their situation and their interest and they continue to maintain a very quiet but open channel for dialogue with the league's leadership.

* In this case of Saturday's HNIC outburst, the Thrashers' owners, the Spirit group of eight partners, have been embroiled in disputes and legal wrangling for about four years over control of the NHL team, the NBA Hawks and Philips Arena. This summer, a judge tossed out a lawsuit that sent the bickering partners back to the starting blocks over share valuation and how one side or the other could be bought out. It's thought that the group is far more interested in basketball and could sell the Thrashers, but that's only speculation.

* In recent years, hopeful yet emotionally battered Winnipeggers have gotten better at not overreacting to every bit of speculation or mention of their city and the NHL, even when it comes from influential or powerful figures like league commissioner Gary Bettman himself.

All of the above considered, the tone of any speculation on Winnipeg seemed to move one grade towards legitimate in the spring when, among the court filings and briefs in the Coyotes' debacle, it was discovered that Bettman wrote in an email earlier this year that the Coyotes, if they were going to be sold and relocated anywhere, ought to be offered up first to Winnipeg.

That seemed to infer the commissioner, so wildly reviled for chasing teams out of Canada in the mid-'90s, would now give his blessing for a repatriation.

Chipman had almost no reaction to that revelation, too, not only because he had no intention of rocking the boat but also because he was steadfastly sticking to his position that the NHL knows where we are.

Even as the Phoenix mess stumbled from headline to headline to last week's interim conclusion that Ontario billionaire Jim Balsillie could not buy the bankrupt team and relocate it to Hamilton, the eager return-of-the-Jets type crowd would no doubt urge Chipman to get into the bidding line the NHL will surely seek for Winnipeg's former team.

But the financial morass in the desert will be more complicated and expensive than most suspect, Chipman said late last week, while hinting he and his group won't be rushing into the first money pit that comes along. He didn't say he was done looking, though.

The group has previously kicked tires in Nashville, and watched with great interest in Phoenix, but both situations are both tainted and inflated by Balsillie's inept interventions.

Maybe they're kicking tires in Atlanta, too, or maybe not. Chipman won't say, but you can take this to the bank -- he's only going to look at the possibilities as sound business propositions and if he has any control over it, Winnipeg won't be dragged into any bidding wars and his group continues to have no desire to make a single public proclamation about what it may or may not do until it's done.

That should suggest to the wise money that the story is a long way from over.

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To me, I think he just wants things to stay quiet, PR wise, because I'm pretty sure that these investors wants things done, but at the same time, knows that there are bigger internal issues going on in the NHL management. If this means we will get a team soon, then so be it. Until then, it wouldn't be wise until this huge mess is cleaned up once and for all.
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If there is a chance for Winnipeg to get a team back, i would think a great deal of it would be the result of the quiet, classy and business type approach Mark Chipman and his group of owners has exhibited and patience in obtaining another NHL franchise - not like the billionaire from out east (Balsillie). He made a debacle out of the Nashville troubles and now Phoenix. If the NHL has it's way they will never give this guy a team.
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So, let's say by some miracle this Atlanta rumour actually happens, does anyone think Atlanta ever gets an NHL team again? This would be the second one they lost. My guess is NO.

BTW, I do hope there is some truth to the rumour. In the mean time, I'm off to a Moose game next week!
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It sounds to me like (based on the article anyways) there were unstable management arrangements in both incarnations of Atlanta franchises, but of that same token, it could easily be two strikes against them. If owners/management quit squabbling, they might actually be able to focus on how to get fans in the seats for Thrashers games (and I've been to one, myself).

Out of curiosity, do readers here (ones who have lived in Winnipeg long enough to remember the Jets well) find it important that they get their franchise back in Winnipeg (i.e. the one in Phoenix) or would you be just as content with any other failed franchise? I suppose Shane Doan is the only Jet remaining on that squad...
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Old Posted Oct 5, 2009, 8:21 PM
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I personally don't want Phoenix (old Jets) back in the city. The whole organization seems to have a mismanagement and bad luck aura surrounding it. If we are to get an NHL team again i would like to start fresh with a new organization........and i want a new name, i never liked the name Jets - and my family was season ticket holders for about 10 years (from the start).
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^ I am in total agreement with that.

The Jets/Coyotes franchise is cursed, and the Jets name has no real significance to me.
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AGREE - any team will do and preferable not Phoenix

DISAGREE - the team HAS to be called the JETS.
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