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Old Posted Jun 10, 2009, 6:27 PM
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i hear that GM is pulling birchwood's licence, so maybe chipman needs the money....
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Old Posted Jun 10, 2009, 6:29 PM
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You would have to wonder if the Thomson family has ever had any run in's with Maple Leaf Sports and Entertainment. I'm not try be a conspiracy theorist here or anything but.....
That's sort of what I was thinking too. I hope the Thomson's interest in an NHL team for Winnipeg isn't just a back-door ploy to buy a team cheap with a fall back plan to move it to Southern Ontario if things start going south here.
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Old Posted Jun 10, 2009, 6:33 PM
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What do they say? Where there's smoke there's ...
the whole thing makes some sense...all of a sudden chipman isnt saying anything, when in the past he has been more than happy to discuss the NHL in the media.....out of the blue, there is some mysterious winnipeg interest investigating the purchase of the thrashers...now this rumour that the arena will be bought by the richest family in the country...there is definatly something brewing under the surface....
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Old Posted Jun 10, 2009, 6:41 PM
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its dumb when u walk into a gm dealer and they try to sell u a kia or somthing to that effect
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I wonder how much of an effect the past few year's regular season final standings and the player roster (AKA salaries) has on the value of an NHL team.

If so, I've venture to guess that the Thrashers would be more costly than the Coyotes.

Also see the judge yesterday did indicate that the NHL has the right to charge a relocation fee (CTV reported last night that it could be as high as $100-M), but details are still lacking on if that could be based on the specific market the team plans to move to. That's a bit of a victory for the NHL over Balisille, but am speculating that the NHL would have to impose such a fee across the board. Hopefully, they could make it some kind of an insignificant fee for Winnipeg. I'm following this story as it develops.
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Old Posted Jun 10, 2009, 6:52 PM
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Also see the judge yesterday did indicate that the NHL has the right to charge a relocation fee (CTV reported last night that it could be as high as $100-M), but details are still lacking on if that could be based on the specific market the team plans to move to. That's a bit of a victory for the NHL over Balisille, but am speculating that the NHL would have to impose such a fee across the board. Hopefully, they could make it some kind of an insignificant fee for Winnipeg. I'm following this story as it develops.
The one thing about a relocation fee being possible is because Hamilton is within both Toronto and Buffalo market areas, as defined by the NHL. If you move a team to Winnipeg you are not entering into any existing market. In this case no relocation fee is necessary (technically, but I wouldn't trust Bettman).
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Old Posted Jun 10, 2009, 6:53 PM
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^its a good question....is a team more valuable if it is better?...i guess when value means what someone wil pay for it, possibly....a team with ovechkin on it would have higher marketing revenue potential than one without him...

i doubt there would be a relocation fee for a team moving to winnipeg....
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the team value is based on what someone will pay for it. $200 million for cayotes is ridiculous but if Baslile wants to pay that then fine. supposedly others offers are arounf $140million for the same team
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Old Posted Jun 11, 2009, 3:57 AM
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Old Posted Jun 11, 2009, 1:05 PM
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^^^ this is an NHL discussion...the BIG league not farm hockey.
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yea but yea untill we ge nhl letz suport our team we have witch is doing prity dam good this year
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Makes sense what some of you had just pointed out, that the value is based on what the highest bidder is willing to pay, so to speak.

I'd add that the potential for on-ice success would probably drive up said value, 'cause a team making the playoffs = more revenue (tickets, 'royalties' from broadcasters, increased merchandise sales, etc).

Anyway, here are two articles I came across today that should be of interest (I'm sure Winnipeg wouldn't have to pay an indemnity fee; in fact, such a fee would help Winnipeg vs. Hamilton)...


Coyotes may cost over $400M

NHL shows history of indemnity fees being charged with relocation
Jun 11, 2009 04:30 AM

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SPORTS REPORTER, Toronto Star

The NHL is threatening an indemnity fee on top of a relocation fee – pushing the price tag for the Phoenix Coyotes to perhaps more than $400 million – if bankruptcy court judge Redfield Baum allows the team to move to Hamilton.

"Relocation is separate from indemnity," said NHL deputy commissioner Bill Daly. "There may be indemnity fees owing if a franchise were ever located in Hamilton."

It's expected the league could ask for more than $100 million (all figures U.S.) as a relocation fee and perhaps as much again in payment to the Maple Leafs and Buffalo Sabres in indemnity for the Coyotes encroaching on their territory.

For example, the Anaheim Ducks paid $25 million for indemnity to the L.A. Kings in 1993 on top of their $25 million franchise fee.

Balsillie spokesman Bill Walker was nonplussed at the notion of an indemnity fee.

"We're looking forward to the NHL making this issue clearer, as Judge Baum suggested, not just for Jim Balsillie but for any other potential bidders," said Walker.

Balsillie, who has offered $212.5 million for the Coyotes, claimed a victory of sorts when Baum advised NHL lawyers to be prepared to put a price tag on the Hamilton hockey market.

There was no word from the court as of last night. The judge had told lawyers from all sides Tuesday he needed to sleep on things before putting pen to paper for a written decision. He may order mediation. He may force the league to come up with a relocation number.

Or the judge, when he finally does make a ruling, may not find he has the power to allow the Phoenix Coyotes to move the Hamilton.

Baum, however, gave the NHL some guidelines in court for what would be a reasonable relocation fee charged to Balsillie. Baum suggested it would be the difference between what a team in Hamilton is worth and what the Phoenix Coyotes are worth. Some have pegged a Hamilton team at $400 million (the Maple Leafs are estimated to be worth about $450 million by Forbes).

The Coyotes' value is closer to $165 million under the terms of Balsillie's $212.5 million bid. Forbes estimated them at $142 million.

The NHL is thinking more along the lines of at least $100 million, if not more, relating the relocation fee to a percentage of the franchise price.

The record is murky on indemnity and relocation fees, but:

A recent New York Times article said the New York Islanders paid a then-record $6 million for the franchise in 1972, and a further $4 million – or two-thirds the franchise value – in indemnity to the New York Rangers.

There was also a payment to Philadelphia for TV rights.

A 1982 Sports Illustrated story said John McMullen paid $30 million for the Colorado Rockies, including $16.5 million in indemnity fees to the Rangers, Flyers and Islanders when they relocated to New Jersey as the Devils in 1982.

If the total price tag is too high, Balsillie may withdraw from the bidding, letting the NHL have its way with the Coyotes.

But yesterday, Balsillie sounded a lot like someone who was ready to sign a cheque.

"However it works out, the issue of a relocation fee, while a new development, does move us one step closer to bringing the Coyotes to Hamilton," Balsillie said in a missive to subscribers to makeitseven.ca. "I want to reassure you we're still moving toward our goal. We're looking forward to instructions from Judge Baum."

The judge suggested Tuesday he wanted the relocation fee settled prior to the proposed June 22 auction, where Balsillie's offer would stand as the opening bid.


http://www.thestar.com/sports/article/649033

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NHL plans auction if Balsillie fails

If RIM boss fails to get his hands on the Coyotes, league has already worked out a backup plan

Paul Waldie

Phoenix — From Thursday's Globe and Mail, Thursday, Jun. 11, 2009 01:19AM EDT

If Jim Balsillie’s bid for the Phoenix Coyotes does not go ahead, the NHL has already laid out plans for an auction for the team.

In court filings this week, the league spelled out how it wants the bidding to proceed. The auction would begin in August, and only “qualified bidders” would be allowed to participate.

To become a qualified bidder, a bidder must agree to operate the club in Phoenix and submit to the NHL consent-and-approval process.

All bidders must put down a $10-million (U.S.) deposit and bids have to be in by Aug. 10. The auction would be held on Sept. 10, supervised by U.S. Bankruptcy Court Judge Redfield T. Baum. Bids must be made in $2-million increments and the highest bid will win, subject to court approval. The league has said $120-million would cover most of the club’s creditors.

Lawyers for the NHL have indicated that if that auction fails to yield a decent bid, the league will hold a second auction for those who want to relocate the club. That auction will also be managed by the NHL and supervised by Baum. Balsillie would be welcome to take part, but the bidding would be subject to NHL rules and would likely include a relocation fee.

So far, according to court filings, one group has signed a confidentiality agreement to gain access to detailed financial information about the club.


http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/nhl-plans-auction-if-balsillie-fails/article1177233/
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If Jim Balsillie’s bid for the Phoenix Coyotes does not go ahead, the NHL has already laid out plans for an auction for the team.

In court filings this week, the league spelled out how it wants the bidding to proceed. The auction would begin in August, and only “qualified bidders” would be allowed to participate.

To become a qualified bidder, a bidder must agree to operate the club in Phoenix and submit to the NHL consent-and-approval process.

All bidders must put down a $10-million (U.S.) deposit and bids have to be in by Aug. 10. The auction would be held on Sept. 10, supervised by U.S. Bankruptcy Court Judge Redfield T. Baum. Bids must be made in $2-million increments and the highest bid will win, subject to court approval. The league has said $120-million would cover most of the club’s creditors.
WHAT AN AMAZING INVESTMENT OPPORTUNITY!!!!

The chance to lose tens of millions of dollars in perpetuity to keep ice hockey going in the Arizona desert.

I'm guessing hundreds, nay, probably thousands of millionaires from across the globe will be clamouring for the chance to keep this bon fire fed with American $100 bills.
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Yep, ironically, our VP of Finance used to work for the Chipman Group prior to his relocation to Vancouver ...

He just told me this out of the blue today, and I recalled seeing your post last week ...

What do they say? Where there's smoke there's ...
jimsabo21, last week you made some posts on the JetsOwner.com website in the Thomson thread and advised that you were going to provide an update. As the thread was locked and then deleted, can you provide any update on this forum regarding the Thomson issue?
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Thomson won't be investing in any Winnipeg NHL team, he's part of the Molson group that just bought the Canadiens for $550 million. You can't be an owner of two teams at once.

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Business sources say the Molsons will borrow roughly $200-million of the purchase price. Their offer is supported by telecommunications company BCE and Thomson-Reuters chairman David Thomson.
Also, the Quebec government is offering $100 million to any group from Quebec City who can land a team.

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Finance Minister Raymond Bachand said the provincial government is not part of the Molson bid, and that the $100-million he had been willing to advance to a local bidder would be available to the groups trying to attract an NHL team to Quebec City.
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Thomson won't be investing in any Winnipeg NHL team, he's part of the Molson group that just bought the Canadiens for $550 million. You can't be an owner of two teams at once.


Well, I was recently told by someone at Jetsowner.com that according to Article 13 of the NHL constitution, an owner can have equity in up to 3 teams as long as it's not controlling interest.

Thomson Reuter also own 3% of the Toronto Maple Leafs. So, they already have a piece of two teams. Also, the Canadiens purchase was by Molson and the Thomson connection appears to be a loan, not necessarily an equity position. But, even if it was, it certainly isn't 51%.
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jimsabo21, last week you made some posts on the JetsOwner.com website in the Thomson thread and advised that you were going to provide an update. As the thread was locked and then deleted, can you provide any update on this forum regarding the Thomson issue?
Not too much to update. I haven't heard anything new since the day I posted it. The thread was removed from JetsOwner because (I think) the main guy (DF) already knows about this, and my guess is that he was told in confidence . I was politely asked not to post about Thomson anymore ... and I respected his wishes. Five minutes later, the entire 70 post thread was gone.
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Watch this video. 2:15 into it.

http://www.cbc.ca/video/#/Sports/ID=1284105111
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Watch this video. 2:15 into it.

http://www.cbc.ca/video/#/Sports/ID=1284105111
that just links to a video page, which one to select?
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