Edmonton Public Transit - Page 173

0773|=\ · #**3441** Posted **Sep 22, 2009, 8:09 PM**

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Originally Posted by madsad

More presentation materials have appeared on the LRT Projects website for the SE route. There is a fairly detailed plan of the preferred route option.

Pretty cool stuff. I'm a little perplexed by the jog the route takes off of Connor's Road, but I imagine that is due to lack of ROW along Connor's Road between the traffic circle and Connor's Hill. Interesting that they're still reviewing whether or not to grade-separate the LRT through that circle... that seems like a no-brainer.

There's also potentially a very large viaduct getting built around Wagner! Cool!

Hopefully shovels are in the dirt in five years!

madsad · #**3442** Posted **Sep 22, 2009, 9:35 PM**

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Originally Posted by 0773|=\

Pretty cool stuff. I'm a little perplexed by the jog the route takes off of Connor's Road, but I imagine that is due to lack of ROW along Connor's Road between the traffic circle and Connor's Hill. Interesting that they're still reviewing whether or not to grade-separate the LRT through that circle... that seems like a no-brainer.

There's also potentially a very large viaduct getting built around Wagner! Cool!

Hopefully shovels are in the dirt in five years!

The reason for that jog off Connors Rd is to hit the proposed Strathearn high-density mixed use development north of 95 Ave. It is of considerable importance for council to situate an LRT station next to it. It also looks like the city would like to see redevelopment along 85 St, north of 90 Ave, spurred by the presence of light-rail.

The large above ground grade separation from Argyll to 75 St was a surprise to see. That area is of low-density, industrial, and low land-value, and and expensive above-ground viaduct seems a bit silly at that location. I think at-grade with a separation over Argyll and the rail line, and grade-crossings the rest of the way is more than suitable.

Another odd thing is the locations of the LRT station on the opposite site of Mill Woods Towne Centre from the existing transit centre. Obviously, there is more to study in this area, but it'll be a bit of a waste if the 8-year-old transit terminal is reconstructed on the west side of the mall. Also, land has been held by the city for decades around the existing transit centre as LRT ROW. Why not use it?

Shodan · #**3443** Posted **Sep 25, 2009, 1:29 PM**

West-end LRT plan runs into resistance

By FRANK LANDRY, CITY HALL BUREAU

Last Updated: 25th September 2009, 12:57am - Edmonton Sun

Some west-end residents are rallying against a plan to run an LRT line along Stony Plain Road, saying it will derail revitalization plans.

The Glenwood Community League wants the city to go back to its original proposal and run tracks along 87 Avenue, over the North Saskatchewan River to the University of Alberta area.

But that plan was also met with stiff opposition not only by residents who lived near the proposed route, but also from the mayor's office.

"It comes down to revitalization," said Jamie Post, a spokesman for the community league which borders Stony Plain Road. "The goal for Stony Plain Road is to create a vibrant community where people come and they walk and they shop.

"Now what we're facing would make it just a transit corridor, midway between Point A and Point B."

The west-end LRT route recommended by city planners runs east from Lewis Estates along 87 Avenue before jutting north on 156 Street. It connects to downtown via Stony Plain Road and 104 Avenue.

Coun. Karen Leibovici, who represents the west end, said she's heard concerns about both west-end routes -- and she favours going down Stony Plain Road.

That's the route now recommended by city planners.

The plan must still be approved by city council.

http://www.edmontonsun.com/news/edmonton/2009/09/25/11106746-sun.html

Coldrsx · #**3444** Posted **Sep 25, 2009, 2:37 PM**

fixed

""Now what we're facing would make it a transit accessible corridor, midway between Point A and Point B, ripe for new infill.""

thank you
come again

newfangled · #**3445** Posted **Sep 25, 2009, 2:52 PM**

I've got an awesome photo that I need to post of SPR.

Anyone noticed the new "Double D's" Lounge? What SPR really needs to make it a vibrant community is more signage with —.

edited to add:

Ah, Stony Plain Road. Why can't we just leave you to your vibrant, walkable, classy revitalization in peace?

0773|=\ · #**3446** Posted **Sep 30, 2009, 1:20 AM**

West LRT project information displays are online.

CMD UW · #**3447** Posted **Sep 30, 2009, 2:13 AM**

I wonder how the WLRT meeting is coming along? I am pumped for these two new routes.

Shodan · #**3448** Posted **Sep 30, 2009, 12:44 PM**

Residents blast west-end $1.1B LRT expansion

Karen Kleiss
Edmonton Journal

Wednesday, September 30, 2009

More than 200 Edmontonians who will be most affected by the proposed west-end LRT route voiced concerns about the$1.1-billion plan at an information session Tuesday night.

Business owners said they expect an 80-per-cent drop in business and area residents are worried about noise levels and walkability.

Dentist Andreas Azarko rejected the city's suggestion that the LRT will increase his business.

"The LRT will simply move people past our business," he said. Stations along the strip will be six blocks apart and pedestrians aren't going to want to walk, he said. "Given that we live in a winter climate ... it just doesn't make sense," he said. "We'll have to relocate our business."

Louise Stewart of the Stony Plain Road Business Revitalization Association said the city can meet its redevelopment goals by running the new line along another avenue.

"They're short-sighted in terms of what the negative effects will be," she said, highlighting lost left-turn traffic and fewer places where people on foot can cross the street.

The route will run from Lewis Estates in the west along 87th Avenue to 156th Street, then north to Stony Plain Road/104th Street and end at the MacEwan University Station. The trip will take 24 minutes.

In a one-hour presentation, city planners explained how they decided to recommend the Stony Plain route. They said the line will provide access to the most major activity centres, including West Edmonton Mall, Misericordia Hospital, Oliver Square, and MacEwan campuses.

The urban-styled "curbside boarding" trains will be different than existing LRT trains: They will be more compact, the stations will be integrated at street level, and stops will be closer together.

Most city research suggests property values near the LRT route will increase and planners believe the system will encourage old-fashioned "mainstreet" areas where people can live, work and play.

The city will try to minimize the effect on properties.

"This is part of the long-term plan to get people out of their cars and into the transit system," said Adam Laughlin, director of strategic planning. "If we're going to grow in the next 40 years, not everyone can drive their cars."

A second information session will be held Wednesday at 5 p.m. at the Fantasyland Hotel ballroom at West Edmonton Mall. Doors open at 5 p.m. and presentations will begin at 6 p.m. and 8 p.m., with opportunities for questions.

City councillors will vote on the proposed route Nov. 9. If the proposal is accepted, more detailed planning and further public consultations will begin.

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Shodan · #**3449** Posted **Sep 30, 2009, 12:49 PM**

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Originally Posted by newfangled

I've got an awesome photo that I need to post of SPR.

Anyone noticed the new "Double D's" Lounge? What SPR really needs to make it a vibrant community is more signage with —.

edited to add:

Ah, Stony Plain Road. Why can't we just leave you to your vibrant, walkable, classy revitalization in peace?

Reminds me of that bar the "Double Deuce" in the movie Roadhouse with Patrick Swayze......one of the main characters called it the "Double Douche"

CMD UW · #**3450** Posted **Sep 30, 2009, 2:48 PM**

^Roadhouse is quite possibly one of the greatest Swayze films ever!!! And I am serious about that....it has become a low budget classic!

Coldrsx · #**3451** Posted **Sep 30, 2009, 3:26 PM**

""The LRT will simply move people past our business," he said. Stations along the strip will be six blocks apart and pedestrians aren't going to want to walk, he said. "Given that we live in a winter climate ... it just doesn't make sense," he said. "We'll have to relocate our business.""

1. i thought moving people past your business was a good thing?
2. six blocks apart means not more than 2-3 blocks from your business... are people that lazy?
3. Bears hibernate, we do not.

feepa · #**3452** Posted **Sep 30, 2009, 6:08 PM**

West LRT Artist Renderings

Southeast LRT Artist Renderings

ExcaliburKid · #**3453** Posted **Sep 30, 2009, 6:19 PM**

I haven't been following the LRT expansion plans too closely, so please forgive me if I'm coming across as ignorant, but those renders show just one lane of traffic in each direction on SPR?? That just doesnt seem right....would cause major congestion, no?

Coldrsx · #**3454** Posted **Sep 30, 2009, 6:22 PM**

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Originally Posted by feepa

West LRT Artist Renderings

Southeast LRT Artist Renderings

nice... now get them going

Coldrsx · #**3455** Posted **Sep 30, 2009, 6:23 PM**

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Originally Posted by ExcaliburKid

I haven't been following the LRT expansion plans too closely, so please forgive me if I'm coming across as ignorant, but those renders show just one lane of traffic in each direction on SPR?? That just doesnt seem right....would cause major congestion, no?

traffic should shift to 107ave... not to mention the OBVIOUS fact that a WLRT is there to reduce car usage.

transit should have priority over cars.

Wooster · #**3456** Posted **Sep 30, 2009, 6:25 PM**

Nice to see the West and SE lines move forward.

Hopefully Calgary and Edmonton will see some funding (provincial and federal) for the planned LRT projects. Calgary has West LRT funded (~$800 million through MSI funding) but now needs about $2 billion for SE LRT and $550 million for 8th avenue subway.

ExcaliburKid · #**3457** Posted **Sep 30, 2009, 6:52 PM**

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Originally Posted by Coldrsx

traffic should shift to 107ave... not to mention the OBVIOUS fact that a WLRT is there to reduce car usage.

transit should have priority over cars.

I suppose...should be an interesting road to drive in winter though! Wonder how they plan to keep the tracks clear during a dump of snow, attach plows to the front of the train cars?

MalcolmTucker · #**3458** Posted **Sep 30, 2009, 7:17 PM**

Very transit city like in scale. Shall be interesting to see which vision ends up winning.

Coldrsx · #**3459** Posted **Sep 30, 2009, 7:26 PM**

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Originally Posted by ExcaliburKid

I suppose...should be an interesting road to drive in winter though! Wonder how they plan to keep the tracks clear during a dump of snow, attach plows to the front of the train cars?

they work in helsinki, they work here

ExcaliburKid · #**3460** Posted **Sep 30, 2009, 7:38 PM**

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Originally Posted by Coldrsx

they work in helsinki, they work here

Look forward to seeing it