Canada Line | Completed

[zivan56]

Originally Posted by tybuilding

No that is not how it is. The translink employer pass program gives a 15% discount on purchasing standard monthly passes. Some employers may pay the $15 to enter the program. It is for 12 months and I believe you do get your picture on it. I don't have one as I try to bike to work for 7 months of the year.

"There are also employer discounted passes...for example, BC Hydro charges you ~$15 a month and they pay the rest. They only have your name, and no picture...last about I year I believe."

Then why does one of my family members have one?
It is not Translink who pays for the rest, rather, BC Hydro...leaving only around $15 a month (not sure of the exact figure) for you to pay. It looks like a U Pass with only a name and expiration date.
Again, if you re-read my post, you see I said employer discounted, not Translink discounted employer pass. I have no idea how much BC Hydro pays...probably the going rate for the employer pass minus $15.

[Spork]

Originally Posted by zivan56

Then why does one of my family members have one?
It is not Translink who pays for the rest, rather, BC Hydro...leaving only around $15 a month (not sure of the exact figure) for you to pay. It looks like a U Pass with only a name and expiration date.
Again, if you re-read my post, you see I said employer discounted, not Translink discounted employer pass. I have no idea how much BC Hydro pays...probably the going rate for the employer pass minus $15.

Employer passes are by payroll deduction. Yes, BC Hydro must subsidize it.

I have an employer pass, and it does not have a photo. You must sign up for at least 12 months, and you receive a 15% discount. I would imagine that upon cancellation, the employer will ask for it back and just continue to take payroll deductions until you return it.

[lightrail]

Originally Posted by Spork

Employer passes are by payroll deduction. Yes, BC Hydro must subsidize it.

I have an employer pass, and it does not have a photo. You must sign up for at least 12 months, and you receive a 15% discount. I would imagine that upon cancellation, the employer will ask for it back and just continue to take payroll deductions until you return it.

I have one in Victoria. It's break-even for me on the cost of tickets given how often I use it. I still have it. The drawbacks - non-transferable to other family members; still paying for it when you're on vacation and with 5 weeks vacation that eats up the 15% discount. It's not really a great deal unless you travel by bus to work every day. I work flex, so one day every two weeks is gone, I need to drive one day and I like to ride my bike another and I'm out of town for business a few days a week.

[BCPhil]

Originally Posted by NewfBC

15% is not a huge savings. Is it more than what retailers get the passes for? Anyone know the markup?

Ron.

Once a retailer told me there is no mark up on them at all. Translink gets every penny I believe. If they were sold at less, then what's to keep a retailer from selling them cheaper to get more customers? Retailers only sell them in the hope that when someone comes in to buy one, they buy something else too.

When I went to BCIT, the school store made you buy something else if you wanted to buy a bus pass with a debit card, because if you just bought the pass, they would have lost money on the interac fees.

[cabotp]

One thing I've wondered about lately is capcity of a train.

Ok so the new Rotem Trains on Canada line have 44 seats per car for 88 on the train and a capacity of 200 per car or 400 per train. Which gives 312 people standing on the train. Now how close together is each person if it was filled to capacity. Of course a person sitting is easy one seat one person. But when people are standing are they giving 6 inches space around each person or are people literally touching and packed like sardines.

Originally Posted by Lover Fighter

I have a friend who goes to Capilano and bought a U-Pass from someone for really cheap. They have the same colour skin and same colour hair and that's about it, but apparently transit operators never even look at the picture.

Interesting. Although I'm sure some people would say they can't tell people apart of certain ethnicities.

[deasine]

Originally Posted by cabotp

Ok so the new Rotem Trains on Canada line have 44 seats per car for 88 on the train and a capacity of 200 per car or 400 per train. Which gives 312 people standing on the train. Now how close together is each person if it was filled to capacity. Of course a person sitting is easy one seat one person. But when people are standing are they giving 6 inches space around each person or are people literally touching and packed like sardines.

That has been debated already many times and the conclusion is that the 200 figure per car is a little too high. Though I have to say, at opening day, they have managed to fill up trains at that capacity (even more at times).

[CLC]

Originally Posted by mr.x

Found these on Flickr...random recently shot pics of stations over the last few days.

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Unfortunately these photos were very old. As evidently in this photo the barrier was only in place on August 17 & 18 there.

I checked on Flickr the author uploaded these photos just lately , but also had info that all these photos were taken on August 18!

[cabotp]

Originally Posted by deasine

That has been debated already many times and the conclusion is that the 200 figure per car is a little too high. Though I have to say, at opening day, they have managed to fill up trains at that capacity (even more at times).

Ok the 200 number may not be correct. But I'm sure when they construct these trains they are anticipating each standing person. Now they must allow some kind of gap between each person. What is that gap? Not so much on the new Rotem trains, but trains in general.

[Delirium]

another piece of public art was installed yesterday for the biennial project.
this was is at king george station.

"Memory of Loss" by Sudarshan Shetty
http://www.flickr.com/photos/danfairchildphotography/3949137843/

[twoNeurons]

It's not so much a gap as it is People per sq. m. And I'm not sure what it is.

Probably could find a general number via google.

[NucksFanInVan]

From InTransit's proposal, passenger capacity is 167 / vehicle or 334 per two-car train at 4 passengers/m². Sched 6, page B3.

I believe 400 ppl/train is an estimated crush load, not the "official" capacity. I'm sure someone out there knows where that came from.

[mr.x]

Originally Posted by cabotp

One thing I've wondered about lately is capcity of a train.

Ok so the new Rotem Trains on Canada line have 44 seats per car for 88 on the train and a capacity of 200 per car or 400 per train. Which gives 312 people standing on the train. Now how close together is each person if it was filled to capacity. Of course a person sitting is easy one seat one person. But when people are standing are they giving 6 inches space around each person or are people literally touching and packed like sardines.



Interesting. Although I'm sure some people would say they can't tell people apart of certain ethnicities.

The real normal capacity of the train is 334 passengers - both standing and seated. That's 167-passengers per train...it sounds about right.

It would be quite difficult for us to reach the crush load capacity of 400 passengers, it's an unreliable figure.

[mr.x]

Originally Posted by CLC

Unfortunately these photos were very old. As evidently in this photo the barrier was only in place on August 17 & 18 there.

I checked on Flickr the author uploaded these photos just lately , but also had info that all these photos were taken on August 18!

Actually, the last time I checked...which was more than a week ago...they were still there.

[Zassk]

Originally Posted by Delirium

another piece of public art was installed yesterday for the biennial project.
this was is at king george station.

"Memory of Loss" by Sudarshan Shetty
http://www.flickr.com/photos/danfairchildphotography/3949137843/

Do you mean, King Edward? The caption says Canada Line, but doesn't say where.

[GoogalieBear]

Originally Posted by Zassk

Do you mean, King Edward? The caption says Canada Line, but doesn't say where.

Yeah, it's at King Edward, I saw it. I thought it was nice, it served to block the view of cars parked at the parking lot. Wish it was longer though, it didn't covered the entire length of the parking lot. Also, my husband mentioned that it said August o6 on it, anybody know what that means ?

[cabotp]

Originally Posted by NucksFanInVan

From InTransit's proposal, passenger capacity is 167 / vehicle or 334 per two-car train at 4 passengers/m². Sched 6, page B3.

I believe 400 ppl/train is an estimated crush load, not the "official" capacity. I'm sure someone out there knows where that came from.

4 passengers/m², a somewhat tight fit, but not tokyo style tight. I guess it comes down to how big each person is.

[lightrail]

Canada Line ridership was designed for 15,000 people per hour per direction - and that's with full three-car trains running every 2 minutes I think. It's pretty low by world standards.

For example, London is gearing up for the 2012 Olympics with a new Olympic Park at Stratford, east of London. And boy, do they have plans to move people. Trains will serve Stratford on around 8 lines (two underground "tube" lines, two DLR lines, one Overground Line, two Network Rail lines and one international high speed line) with a train arriving every 15 seconds and a staggering capacity of 240,000 passengers PER HOUR (that is not a typo). London plans to move the same number of people to the Olympic site in one hour that Vancouver's SkyTrain carries in 24 hours.

Pretty impressive.

[deasine]

To be fair, the summer games are a lot larger than the winter games, not to mention, greater population base in London.

[mr.x]

Originally Posted by lightrail

Canada Line ridership was designed for 15,000 people per hour per direction - and that's with full three-car trains running every 2 minutes I think. It's pretty low by world standards.

For example, London is gearing up for the 2012 Olympics with a new Olympic Park at Stratford, east of London. And boy, do they have plans to move people. Trains will serve Stratford on around 8 lines (two underground "tube" lines, two DLR lines, one Overground Line, two Network Rail lines and one international high speed line) with a train arriving every 15 seconds and a staggering capacity of 240,000 passengers PER HOUR (that is not a typo). London plans to move the same number of people to the Olympic site in one hour that Vancouver's SkyTrain carries in 24 hours.

Pretty impressive.

That's utterly amazing...gotta visit it one day.

[CLC]

Originally Posted by mr.x

The real normal capacity of the train is 334 passengers - both standing and seated. That's 167-passengers per train...it sounds about right.

It would be quite difficult for us to reach the crush load capacity of 400 passengers, it's an unreliable figure.

the only way I think the train can be packed with 400 passengers is at Richmond-Brighouse in the morning; in other stops the doors seems closed too fast to allow enough time for passengers to effectively "fill the train".