HomeDiagramsDatabaseMapsForum About
     

Go Back   SkyscraperPage Forum > Regional Sections > Canada > Alberta & British Columbia > Vancouver > Downtown & City of Vancouver


Closed Thread

 
Thread Tools Display Modes
     
     
  #4401  
Old Posted Sep 23, 2009, 6:52 AM
Hed Kandi's Avatar
Hed Kandi Hed Kandi is offline
+
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 8,575
Quote:
Originally Posted by Yume-sama View Post
Looks like Sears could use a good cleaning, like BC Place
How a big box retailer as unsightly as this, is still standing in the heart of Vancouver's commercial district is beyond me. If I were in charge of city planning, Sears would be imploded first thing tomorrow morning.
     
     
  #4402  
Old Posted Sep 23, 2009, 6:58 AM
Vancity's Avatar
Vancity Vancity is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Richmond, BC
Posts: 1,637
Haha..I was just going to say the same thing.

Wow, that Sears building really looks dirty O.o

Speaking of BC Place - anyone have any updates? Roof is still going through, I assume, since we have not heard any news on it recently?
     
     
  #4403  
Old Posted Sep 23, 2009, 6:59 AM
Vancity's Avatar
Vancity Vancity is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Richmond, BC
Posts: 1,637
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hed Kandi View Post
How a big box retailer as unsightly as this, is still standing in the heart of Vancouver's commercial district is beyond me. If I were in charge of city planning, Sears would be imploded first thing tomorrow morning.
Easier said than done. But yeah, I agree with you, bring it down, and then build something much nicer on top of it. We need a major mall downtown, so building something to the likes of a Metrotown in downtown would be nice
     
     
  #4404  
Old Posted Sep 23, 2009, 7:06 AM
vango vango is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 77
How about the canopies around the Bay? What a mess! Are they waiting for the Granville reconstruction to complete or what?
     
     
  #4405  
Old Posted Sep 23, 2009, 7:16 AM
Hed Kandi's Avatar
Hed Kandi Hed Kandi is offline
+
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 8,575
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vancity View Post
Easier said than done. But yeah, I agree with you, bring it down, and then build something much nicer on top of it. We need a major mall downtown, so building something to the likes of a Metrotown in downtown would be nice
I disagree with any enclosed shopping center in downtown including Pacific Center. Shopping should be reserved exclusively to storefront lined streets such as those on Robson, Yaletown district, Granville, Alberni, Davie, etc
     
     
  #4406  
Old Posted Sep 23, 2009, 1:48 PM
Delirium's Avatar
Delirium Delirium is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Earth
Posts: 3,227
a new art installation went up at English Bay. this is one is by Yue Minju.
here's some pics http://www.flickr.com/photos/danfairchildphotography/sets/72157622402506714/
i'm sure everyone is going to have fun taking pictures next to these guys...

also, didn't realize they added another art installation in coal harbour close to the convention centre. it's called "Pillows" by Liu Jianhua. i love this one!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/danfairchildphotography/sets/72157622177192173/
     
     
  #4407  
Old Posted Sep 23, 2009, 1:56 PM
Metro-One's Avatar
Metro-One Metro-One is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Japan
Posts: 17,842
Quote:
I disagree with any enclosed shopping center in downtown including Pacific Center. Shopping should be reserved exclusively to storefront lined streets such as those on Robson, Yaletown district, Granville, Alberni, Davie, etc
Yes, because Vancouver's tropical climate with rain only between the hours of 3am to 5am is perfect for such a situation.

Have you ever wondered why Metrotown is bursting at the seams during the fall/winter/early spring?

What is up with people and putting all their eggs into one basket?

You can place many more stores in a multi level mall that takes up less footprint than stringing them along streets forever. Again, it is nice to have some districts that do not have residents so we can actually have longer shopping hours and some use of lights and noise!

Quote:
How about the canopies around the Bay? What a mess! Are they waiting for the Granville reconstruction to complete or what?
I agree 100% with this. Why does such a beautiful building have the ugliest canopy in the entire city?
__________________
Bridging the Gap
Check out my Flickr: https://www.flickr.com/photos/30634635@N03/with/29495547810/ and Youtube channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCV0_0h9qKlhxXFxuAey_q6Q
     
     
  #4408  
Old Posted Sep 23, 2009, 4:20 PM
deasine deasine is offline
Vancouver Moderator
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 5,747
Quote:
Originally Posted by Delirium View Post
a new art installation went up at English Bay. this is one is by Yue Minju.
here's some pics http://www.flickr.com/photos/danfairchildphotography/sets/72157622402506714/
i'm sure everyone is going to have fun taking pictures next to these guys...

also, didn't realize they added another art installation in coal harbour close to the convention centre. it's called "Pillows" by Liu Jianhua. i love this one!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/danfairchildphotography/sets/72157622177192173/
Great finds.
     
     
  #4409  
Old Posted Sep 23, 2009, 7:30 PM
SpongeG's Avatar
SpongeG SpongeG is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Coquitlam
Posts: 39,889
san francisco has a nine level mall in its downtoan and its amazing

sear is a dept store not a big box store - should the bay move to? is it big box?
__________________
belowitall
     
     
  #4410  
Old Posted Sep 23, 2009, 8:50 PM
officedweller officedweller is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Vancouver
Posts: 41,361
A cleaning would do wonders for it.

In any city you have to acknowlegde that there will be large scale uses that create bulky buildings that can't necessarily be put undergound:
- department stores
- post office
- convention centre
- hotel ballrooms
- law courts
- sports stadiums
- theatres/concert halls
     
     
  #4411  
Old Posted Sep 23, 2009, 9:00 PM
Metro-One's Avatar
Metro-One Metro-One is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Japan
Posts: 17,842
And is it not smart to create a few large multi level shopping centers around transit lines? Downtown is perfect for this (heart of the mass transit system). That way people do not have to commute all over to go shopping.

I am all for street retail shopping and outdoor malls, but as i have said before, we need all forms of retail to be a healthy city. Outdoor shopping is great for the 5 dry months of the year (May to Sep) but come October it is sure nice to be in a climate controlled building with hundreds of stores and direct access to skytrain!
__________________
Bridging the Gap
Check out my Flickr: https://www.flickr.com/photos/30634635@N03/with/29495547810/ and Youtube channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCV0_0h9qKlhxXFxuAey_q6Q
     
     
  #4412  
Old Posted Sep 23, 2009, 9:05 PM
SpongeG's Avatar
SpongeG SpongeG is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Coquitlam
Posts: 39,889
big box can be done right too - just look at cambie - that area is pedestrian heavy now - canadian line has only made it busier
__________________
belowitall
     
     
  #4413  
Old Posted Sep 24, 2009, 12:47 AM
Hed Kandi's Avatar
Hed Kandi Hed Kandi is offline
+
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 8,575
Families are being priced out of Vancouver, study shows
Don Cayo

Sun

Wednesday, September, 23, 2009


Vancouver is growing steadily, yet the number of children, especially in east Vancouver, is plunging -- one school has lost half its enrolment -- because families can't afford to live here.

While the city continues to offer plenty of choice for singles or couples to rent or to own, families find themselves ever-harder pressed to find a place to live, especially at an affordable price.

This is the nub of the findings in the first of what's evolving into a fascinating series of Vancouver-focused research reports from BTAworks, a new research arm of Bing Thom Architects.

The first of these was a detailed look at the city's condominiums and who lives in them. It found condos to be underrated as a source of rental housing: The majority are neither left empty by speculators and absentee owners, as the urban myth often has it, nor occupied by their owners. Rather, they are let out to tenants.

But condo rentals are heavily tilted towards studio and one-bedroom units, which aren't suitable for families.

A second report, not yet published, shows sharp declines in east Van elementary school enrolments. The city-wide loss is more than 3,500 over five years. For the 20 per cent of worst-off schools it averages 20 per cent, and it's almost 50 per cent for one, the small Sir William Macdonald Community School.

Private schools have siphoned off some of these students, said Andy Yan, the planner who heads the BTAworks research projects.

And some are no doubt being sent by their parents to what are perceived to be better schools, which are still showing modest increases in enrolment, on the west side of the city.

But, as the condo study shows, "Families with lower incomes are simply being squeezed out."

Yan noted that census figures from 2001 and 2006 show that two-thirds of the population increase in Vancouver was accounted for by people over 55.

And that jibes with building statistics that show a major increase in housing that's suitable for seniors and young singles and couples, but not families.

Eighty per cent of downtown's 27,000 condos have been built since 1990, Yan said, and fewer than 40 per cent of them have more than one bedroom. Most are owned by people who don't live in them, and most of these owners live elsewhere in B.C.

Typically, owner-occupied units are worth $30,000-$40,000 more -- in other words, they're larger -- than rented units.

And, "A family with one child earning the median income of $75,000 a year would have difficulty in finding and paying for a condo bigger than one bedroom, even if condo prices were to fall 25 per cent below 2008 assessment levels."

The upshot is that many families flee to more affordable suburban cities like Surrey. And, said Yan's boss Michael Heeney, a partner in the Bing Thom firm, some -- mostly skilled urban professionals who can work wherever they want -- leave the region and Canada for places like Chicago or San Francisco.

The reason for the imbalance in the impact of Vancouver's lopsided growth pattern on east-side and west-side schools isn't fully explained by the figures. But Yan speculates it may be because the west side is a magnet for high-income people who, whether they have children or not, are less likely to be daunted by high housing costs.

"If Vancouverism 1.0 is embodied by tall, skinny towers and one-bedroom, investor-driven condominium projects for downtown Vancouver, then Vancouverism 2.0 needs to redress this imbalance," he said.

What's needed are creative ways to provide more affordable, family-oriented housing.

To that end, Heeney is floating the idea of a major policy change at city hall to foster the development of larger laneway housing units that would be suitable -- and affordable -- for families.

As it stands, the city will approve a maximum unit size of 750 square feet for laneway homes on 50-foot lots, and 500 square feet on the much more common 33-foot lots. In other words, more homes for singles, couples and seniors.

"We do not actually need more of this kind of housing," Heeney said.

"What we do need are rental units with two or more bedrooms that can be occupied by young families."

© Copyright (c) The Vancouver Sun
     
     
  #4414  
Old Posted Sep 24, 2009, 2:37 AM
smho smho is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Posts: 215
Quote:
Originally Posted by Built Form View Post
"The Mark" Onni's development at 1372 Seymour has had the following evolution over the past year involving the developer, the city and a group of us at the 501.
-the reason for the initial height increased from 33 to 35 floors was due to the floor plates being over the maximum required by the Downtown South Guidelines of 6K square feet. The lower floors of which were well over 7K square feet.
-we then stated the reduction should be limited only to the south wall being moved further north to preserve unit views of English Bay
-the podium's height at 7 stories and proximity to the alley has been an issue as well.
-Onni has re-worked the initial 3 building podium down to 2 and has pulled back from the alley property line and there are signs that the height may be reduced 2 floors to 5.
-as well Onni has offered another Community Amenity Bonus in addition to the daycare centre. They wish to trade 5,165 of second floor office space for another 45,000 square feet or 6 floors bringing the tower to 41 stories.
-if however they do reduce the podium height then we will see the tower go beyond 41 floors. The city seems to be amicable to this since it does not infringe on any view cones and only breaks the Downtown South guideline of a maximum of 300 ft.

If all comes to pass then we will get a new landmark tower over 400 ft.
Sounds great. Thanks for the info.
     
     
  #4415  
Old Posted Sep 24, 2009, 5:09 AM
ckkelley's Avatar
ckkelley ckkelley is offline
Bridge Walker!
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: The Forest City
Posts: 1,037
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hed Kandi View Post
Families are being priced out of Vancouver, study shows
Don Cayo

Sun

Wednesday, September, 23, 2009


Vancouver is growing steadily, yet the number of children, especially in east Vancouver, is plunging -- one school has lost half its enrolment -- because families can't afford to live here.

While the city continues to offer plenty of choice for singles or couples to rent or to own, families find themselves ever-harder pressed to find a place to live, especially at an affordable price.

This is the nub of the findings in the first of what's evolving into a fascinating series of Vancouver-focused research reports from BTAworks, a new research arm of Bing Thom Architects.

The first of these was a detailed look at the city's condominiums and who lives in them. It found condos to be underrated as a source of rental housing: The majority are neither left empty by speculators and absentee owners, as the urban myth often has it, nor occupied by their owners. Rather, they are let out to tenants.

But condo rentals are heavily tilted towards studio and one-bedroom units, which aren't suitable for families.

A second report, not yet published, shows sharp declines in east Van elementary school enrolments. The city-wide loss is more than 3,500 over five years. For the 20 per cent of worst-off schools it averages 20 per cent, and it's almost 50 per cent for one, the small Sir William Macdonald Community School.

Private schools have siphoned off some of these students, said Andy Yan, the planner who heads the BTAworks research projects.

And some are no doubt being sent by their parents to what are perceived to be better schools, which are still showing modest increases in enrolment, on the west side of the city.

But, as the condo study shows, "Families with lower incomes are simply being squeezed out."

Yan noted that census figures from 2001 and 2006 show that two-thirds of the population increase in Vancouver was accounted for by people over 55.

And that jibes with building statistics that show a major increase in housing that's suitable for seniors and young singles and couples, but not families.

Eighty per cent of downtown's 27,000 condos have been built since 1990, Yan said, and fewer than 40 per cent of them have more than one bedroom. Most are owned by people who don't live in them, and most of these owners live elsewhere in B.C.

Typically, owner-occupied units are worth $30,000-$40,000 more -- in other words, they're larger -- than rented units.

And, "A family with one child earning the median income of $75,000 a year would have difficulty in finding and paying for a condo bigger than one bedroom, even if condo prices were to fall 25 per cent below 2008 assessment levels."

The upshot is that many families flee to more affordable suburban cities like Surrey. And, said Yan's boss Michael Heeney, a partner in the Bing Thom firm, some -- mostly skilled urban professionals who can work wherever they want -- leave the region and Canada for places like Chicago or San Francisco.

The reason for the imbalance in the impact of Vancouver's lopsided growth pattern on east-side and west-side schools isn't fully explained by the figures. But Yan speculates it may be because the west side is a magnet for high-income people who, whether they have children or not, are less likely to be daunted by high housing costs.

"If Vancouverism 1.0 is embodied by tall, skinny towers and one-bedroom, investor-driven condominium projects for downtown Vancouver, then Vancouverism 2.0 needs to redress this imbalance," he said.

What's needed are creative ways to provide more affordable, family-oriented housing.

To that end, Heeney is floating the idea of a major policy change at city hall to foster the development of larger laneway housing units that would be suitable -- and affordable -- for families.

As it stands, the city will approve a maximum unit size of 750 square feet for laneway homes on 50-foot lots, and 500 square feet on the much more common 33-foot lots. In other words, more homes for singles, couples and seniors.

"We do not actually need more of this kind of housing," Heeney said.

"What we do need are rental units with two or more bedrooms that can be occupied by young families."

© Copyright (c) The Vancouver Sun
An interesting read.
__________________
Just chimin' in.
     
     
  #4416  
Old Posted Sep 24, 2009, 5:10 AM
Metro-One's Avatar
Metro-One Metro-One is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Japan
Posts: 17,842
A great read! Something I feel is very true and an issue the city of Vancouver should address. I heard this on the radio this morning as well.
__________________
Bridging the Gap
Check out my Flickr: https://www.flickr.com/photos/30634635@N03/with/29495547810/ and Youtube channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCV0_0h9qKlhxXFxuAey_q6Q
     
     
  #4417  
Old Posted Sep 24, 2009, 5:12 AM
ckkelley's Avatar
ckkelley ckkelley is offline
Bridge Walker!
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: The Forest City
Posts: 1,037
Quote:
Originally Posted by Metro-One View Post
A great read! Something I feel is very true and an issue the city of Vancouver should address. I heard this on the radio this morning as well.
What do you think can be done about this? Should anything be done about this? Why?
__________________
Just chimin' in.
     
     
  #4418  
Old Posted Sep 24, 2009, 5:21 AM
Metro-One's Avatar
Metro-One Metro-One is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Japan
Posts: 17,842
I wish I was smart enough to answer clearly what I think should be done, encouraging larger unit sizes (hard to raise a family with 1 bedroom) is one thing. This is a puzzle for someone with more knowledge in social engineering and housing markets that I do not posses, but i still know what I want and what I like and don't like...

This to me shows the failed utopia of Vancouver's densification. It was a great idea, but instead of building a city we have essentially built a resort.

Sustainable community living involves all ages and families, not just mid life singles and couples.

Unless these issues are addressed we will never end sprawl and dependancy on the motor vehicle. Simple as that.

It is a big problem facing downtown Vancouver and is another example of how boring downtown is getting in the fact it only caters to one small group of people.

One thing I loved about living in metro-town was I was in a high rise, but around me were families, children, teenagers, the elderly, etc... and it felt like a full community.

We will always have areas that are more geared towards the elderly, or more so towards young adults, and so on, but this is starting to become to extreme in Vancouver's case.

And having young people in a community keeps the community young.

Thats my opinion. I use to think that living in Yaletown would be great, but as each year goes by I realize how mono and sterile it really is to a true functioning and diverse community.
__________________
Bridging the Gap
Check out my Flickr: https://www.flickr.com/photos/30634635@N03/with/29495547810/ and Youtube channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCV0_0h9qKlhxXFxuAey_q6Q
     
     
  #4419  
Old Posted Sep 24, 2009, 5:42 AM
ckkelley's Avatar
ckkelley ckkelley is offline
Bridge Walker!
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: The Forest City
Posts: 1,037
I think Metro Vancouver functions well actually. As stated in the article families are moving to Surrey and the like - that's what Surrey and other cheaper burbs are for. I'm still lost on this notion that people (anyone) has some kind of entitlement to live in Vancouver - downtown or otherwise. If you can't afford it, you move to where you can.

Further and realistically, I'm sure absolutely nothing could be done about this so-called problem. Developers are in business to make money not to engage in 'social justice'. Maybe this reality rocks people's worlds but not everyone can live where they want to.
__________________
Just chimin' in.
     
     
  #4420  
Old Posted Sep 24, 2009, 5:57 AM
nova9 nova9 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Vancouver
Posts: 1,086
Considering how our region is divided into 21 distinct entities while other cities are more monolithic, if our city was one big, whole entity, isn't our problem solved? Families would then be seen as moving out of the core but techinically still be in the same city?

Not that I'm advocating for or against unification but perhaps we should look at HOW FAR they have to move out of Vancouver. I mean, if families are being forced to move to Kelowna or Merritt or something, that would be a huge problem. But if they're moving to New West or Surrey, well, that's at most a 37 minute SkyTrain ride into downtown, a much better commute (i surmise) than other cities.
     
     
This discussion thread continues

Use the page links to the lower-right to go to the next page for additional posts
 
 
Closed Thread

Go Back   SkyscraperPage Forum > Regional Sections > Canada > Alberta & British Columbia > Vancouver > Downtown & City of Vancouver
Forum Jump



Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 3:19 PM.

     
SkyscraperPage.com - Privacy Statement - Top

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2026, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.