Port Mann/Highway 1 Improvements | Completed - Page 15

Vonny · #**281** Posted **Sep 19, 2009, 5:51 AM**

we didn't have sprawl, city bounded by water bodies and mountain, then came the 10 lanes Port Mann bridge...

Dave2 · #**282** Posted **Sep 19, 2009, 5:51 AM**

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2. Interchanges are too closely spaced, which results in a lot of weaving with the numerous on/off ramps;
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really? Heading W/B there are only 3 exits in Bby, 37 Gaglardi, 33 Kensington, and 28 Willingdon/Grandview. After the upgrade to 4 lanes (per direction) it could easilly be posted at 100 km/h like it was in the 60s (60 mph)

Canadian Mind · #**283** Posted **Sep 19, 2009, 3:31 PM**

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Originally Posted by Vonny

we didn't have sprawl, city bounded by water bodies and mountain, then came the 10 lanes Port Mann bridge...

I take it you have never been to Surrey then.

agrant · #**284** Posted **Sep 19, 2009, 5:55 PM**

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Originally Posted by Dave2

really? Heading W/B there are only 3 exits in Bby, 37 Gaglardi, 33 Kensington, and 28 Willingdon/Grandview. After the upgrade to 4 lanes (per direction) it could easilly be posted at 100 km/h like it was in the 60s (60 mph)

I'd like that, but what they need to do is lengthen the on-ramps. There's a couple really bad on-ramps coming from Boundary, and another one from 1st Ave, I believe, heading west. Slows all the traffic down, because the cars trying to merge onto the highway are only going about 60km or so. Willingdon is probably the only one you can easily get up to speed, although people never seem to be able to do it.

agrant · #**285** Posted **Sep 19, 2009, 5:56 PM**

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Originally Posted by Canadian Mind

I take it you have never been to Surrey then.

Surrey is the — child of the Port Mann Bridge.

Metro-One · #**286** Posted **Sep 19, 2009, 6:05 PM**

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I'd like that, but what they need to do is lengthen the on-ramps. There's a couple really bad on-ramps coming from Boundary, and another one from 1st Ave, I believe, heading west. Slows all the traffic down, because the cars trying to merge onto the highway are only going about 60km or so. Willingdon is probably the only one you can easily get up to speed, although people never seem to be able to do it.

The reason why people are never able to do it here is because they do not know how to use on ramps. Far to often I see them stop at the point them ramp meets the highway and they wait for a break in the traffic. What one is supposed to do it use the whole length of the on ramp/lane to get up to highway speed and merge at the end of the ramp/lane.

Vonny · #**287** Posted **Sep 19, 2009, 9:07 PM**

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Originally Posted by Canadian Mind

I take it you have never been to Surrey then.

Surrey is a school case example of what happens when development is not constraint by natural barrier like water bodies.

...and yes, Surrey is a child of PortMann bridge.
...and yes, it proves Vancouver own more to its geography than to well thought urban/land planning (though some good political decision has been done in the 70s...but pretty much like in Toronto with the halting of the Spadina and gardiner freeway).

agrant · #**288** Posted **Sep 19, 2009, 9:24 PM**

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Originally Posted by Metro-One

The reason why people are never able to do it here is because they do not know how to use on ramps. Far to often I see them stop at the point them ramp meets the highway and they wait for a break in the traffic. What one is supposed to do it use the whole length of the on ramp/lane to get up to highway speed and merge at the end of the ramp/lane.

I'm well aware of that. There are on-ramps that make it very difficult to merge (the ones I've mentioned), regardless of any knowledge on how to use them - They're very short, are curved, and have blind spots.

Metro-One · #**289** Posted **Sep 19, 2009, 10:00 PM**

Well of course I agree with that 100% I was just talking about the Gaglardi on-ramp situation.

Canadian Mind · #**290** Posted **Sep 20, 2009, 12:12 AM**

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Originally Posted by Vonny

Surrey is a school case example of what happens when development is not constraint by natural barrier like water bodies.

...and yes, Surrey is a child of PortMann bridge.
...and yes, it proves Vancouver own more to its geography than to well thought urban/land planning (though some good political decision has been done in the 70s...but pretty much like in Toronto with the halting of the Spadina and gardiner freeway).

Exactly, and whether the highway is expanded or not, Surrey will continue to grow and sprawl. The difference will eventually be if all the cars be parked on local streets, or out on highways and major thoroughfares.

cabotp · #**291** Posted **Sep 20, 2009, 2:13 AM**

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Originally Posted by Metro-One

The reason why people are never able to do it here is because they do not know how to use on ramps. Far to often I see them stop at the point them ramp meets the highway and they wait for a break in the traffic. What one is supposed to do it use the whole length of the on ramp/lane to get up to highway speed and merge at the end of the ramp/lane.

I don't think it is a case of waiting until the end of the on ramp.

What people don't understand is that you have to merge at the speed the traffic is going. It doesn't matter what the posted speed limit is. If the speed limit was 90km/h but the traffic happened to be doing 110km/h. You better speed up to 110km/h or else you will cause everyone who comes up behind you to hit their brakes causing a chain reaction backwards and also a potential of an accident Of course the same also applies if the traffic is moving at 20km/h.

Also what is it with people hitting their brakes on an on ramp with no traffic around. Countless times I've been behind someone going down the hill on the grandview on ramp and they hit their brakes and that is a nice long fairly straight on ramp. . I had one person doing 50km/h down that hill. Now that made me scared because I knew there was no way in hell I could get up to speed quick enough.

Vonny · #**292** Posted **Sep 20, 2009, 5:38 AM**

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Originally Posted by Canadian Mind

Exactly, and whether the highway is expanded or not, Surrey will continue to grow and sprawl. The difference will eventually be if all the cars be parked on local streets, or out on highways and major thoroughfares.

The problem is that you gonna get the both

does it justify $3.5Billions of public money spending?

Canadian Mind · #**293** Posted **Sep 20, 2009, 8:04 AM**

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Originally Posted by Vonny

does it justify $3.5Billions of public money spending?

We'll find out once it is all said and done.

officedweller · #**294** Posted **Sep 24, 2009, 9:04 PM**

Retaining walls near south approach to New Port Mann Bridge:

http://www.pmh1project.com/inforoom/documents/BirdlandDG_sept9_FINAL.pdf

Note wider relocated ROW footprint for bridge approach:

DKaz · #**295** Posted **Sep 24, 2009, 10:49 PM**

Aw man, Hwy 1 EB to Mary Hill Bypass will have a significant detour for the next 3 years...

http://www.pmh1project.com/construction-...B25MaryHillBypassandUnitedBlvdDetour.pdf

tybuilding · #**296** Posted **Sep 24, 2009, 10:53 PM**

Actually it turns 100 at about 168th Street, after the Truck Scale.

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^ It's 90 from about just east of 176. Or least somewhere around there. Don't pay much attention usually doing 110 when I can

So yes it is 90 in one part but not the other.

I could see the express lanes at Grandview and Capehorn being at least 100 but the collector lanes will probably be either 80 or 90.

Noticed today that the most eastern house on the South East corner of Grandview and Boundary has a fence up around the front. Possibly it goes around but not sure. And the back lot of the corner business appears to be empty now.

cabotp · #**297** Posted **Sep 25, 2009, 7:31 AM**

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Originally Posted by DKaz

Aw man, Hwy 1 EB to Mary Hill Bypass will have a significant detour for the next 3 years...

http://www.pmh1project.com/construction-...B25MaryHillBypassandUnitedBlvdDetour.pdf

As the saying goes "No gain without the pain"

Mininari · #**298** Posted **Sep 25, 2009, 3:51 PM**

I'm curious to know what the plan is for tying in the new bridge with the roadway. I recall something about having to demolish the old bridge approaches, before they can fully tie in the new briddge.

So, my guess is they would connect the 5 lanes on the south side of the bridge first (to both ends), and detour the existing 5 lanes of traffic onto them, demo the old bridge approaches and then tie in the bridge that way.
That will be a pretty major detour, and hopefully it is done so that traffic can continue to operate "normally." (y'know, congested and not moving anyway).

I'm driving into Vancouver next weekend, and am looking forward to seeing all the progress .. even if it is just digging.

I'm also looking forward to driving over the new Pitt River Bridge, along with a free tourist-trip over the golden ears bridge (wink wink, out-of-province).

cabotp · #**299** Posted **Sep 25, 2009, 5:18 PM**

I don't believe the new Pitt river bridge will be open next weekend

BCPhil · #**300** Posted **Sep 25, 2009, 6:22 PM**

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Originally Posted by DKaz

Aw man, Hwy 1 EB to Mary Hill Bypass will have a significant detour for the next 3 years...

http://www.pmh1project.com/construction-...B25MaryHillBypassandUnitedBlvdDetour.pdf

In all honesty, it doesn't look any worse than it is now. It's been like a "detour" for the last 30 years (or whatever).