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Anyway, this news makes me a little nervous. He needs to find financing soon so these towers can get finished before he has to forfeit the land. Hopefully the economy will be in full recovery mode by 2010.
The problem is, the Port Authority has caused the delays, putting Silverstein years behind, which is the reason that date would be thrown out if Silverstein were not able to obtain the financing to get the towers completed by then...

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Under the terms of the lease, Mr. Silverstein must complete all of his three towers by 2014 now that he has received all of the land, or forfeit his towers and parcel.

But that timetable could change.
The arbitration alone probably won't begin until the fall...

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Hmm, I just started reading up on this stuff and had no idea that he had to forfeit the land by 2014. I guess this news is not as good as I thought.

We can always hope that a new developer might also build something great there.. eventually.
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Some fun with google earth and the WTC...a powerful reminder of why the entire complex needs to be rebult...




Buildings 1 and 2 to the right are absolutely amazing... Buildings 3 and 4 to the left look like crap. At least 3 has some sorta of special feature, 4 has nothing whatsoever to get excited about. I can't believe their putting that junk there, and I can't believe their starting 4 before 2 and 3. They should have gone back to the drawing board on the left side of this project. If the PA really does turn 2 into a stump this will look horrendous.
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4 is being built now, because that is where the PA is going to be located. Part of the reason I that 4 is such a minimalist design, is that it is meant to compliment, and not detract from the other buildings, and bridge a gap to building 5, (As it was originally intended). You can already see that 2 and 3 are kinda fighting for attention. However, that the site dearly needs buildings 2 and 3, otherwise it is going to be totally unbalanced. To your point, it is going to be really hard to justify the design of 4 without the other two towers.
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Is it true that there is only one supertall actually being built in NYC at this time? If so what are the prospects for all the other buildings listed? It looks as if there are 8 supertalls over 1000 ft. of which only 1 is under construction (WTC1), 1(BOA) has toped out, 2 are finished with the site prep (but are on hold) and 4 others are only proposed. I sincerely hope this recession ends before too long and New York can get back to what it does best, build…...How long will it be before WTC 2 and 3 get some kind of resolution?
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How long will it be before WTC 2 and 3 get some kind of resolution?
When we know, you'll know.
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Dear. Sweet. Jesus.


This whole complex has gotta happen, I loved the twin towers to death but this is just incredible, 4 supertall buildings right next to each other.

I have faith that Silverstein will get them done, he seems like the type that could.
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I have faith that Silverstein will get them done, he seems like the type that could.
A lot of people critique him on his age, but I believe it’s his age which makes him so determined and aggressive. He definitely is giving the PA the fight they deserves, and I too am faithful to the fact that he’ll come through on this.
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A lot of people critique him on his age, but I believe it’s his age which makes him so determined and aggressive. He definitely is giving the PA the fight they deserves, and I too am faithful to the fact that he’ll come through on this.

That's what I was saying before, the media keeps saying the other towers won't be completed until 2030, when he probably won't be alive, and If he were he would be about 60,000 years old and would not want all of this to worry about. I would like to know where on earth that information came from, frankly, it just sounds made up. It's probably the same people who said 1WTC won't be finished until 2018, which obviously, as we can see, is not true.


I've learned to be at least somewhat hopefull with Ground Zero, a few years ago we thought we were getting a 900 foot building with an ungodly hideous cage on top, now we have a real supertall building as high as the WTC, we also thought the other towers were going to be no taller than the neighboring 750 foot buildings, now the smallest of the 4 main towers has a flat roof of nearly 1000 feet. Things were a lot better than they were, someone somewhere had sense in them, hopefully that will eventually continue. It would be a sin to construct a 4 story mall where so many people died and where our tallest buildings stood.

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It's just a matter of time before the economy improves (showing signs now) and banks stop becoming so fearful of lending large somes of money. Hopefull this process speeds up or goes faster than some predict.
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Janno Lieber Testimony - NYS Senate Public Hearing

September 09, 2009

New York State Senate Public Hearing Senate Standing Committee on Corporations, Authorities and Commissions
Senator Bill Perkins, Chair
Wednesday, September 9, 10am
"Redevelopment of the World Trade Center: Time to Move Forward"
BMCC Theater 2, 199 Chambers Street, New York, NY 10007



Testimony of Janno Lieber
President, World Trade Center Properties



Good morning Chairman Perkins and Committee Members. Thank you for this opportunity to address some important issues, as well as to dispel some misinformation, relating to the rebuilding of the World Trade Center site.

After 9/11, everyone came together and promised to get the site rebuilt as soon as possible. My company worked with the City, the State and the owner of the site - the Port Authority of New York & New Jersey - to rebuild 7 World Trade Center, the last tower to fall on 9/11. We started construction in May 2002 and opened the building exactly four years later in May 2006. The building is a spectacular success and shows what can be accomplished when everyone works together. It is now home to some of the City's leading and most innovative companies, many of whom are new to Downtown.

After 9/11, we weren't the only ones who recognized that the World Trade Center was unique and warranted some special treatment. The Federal government provided significant funds to the Port Authority to rebuild the PATH station and other transportation infrastructure. Congress also put in place tax-exempt financing to make sure the commercial space could be rebuilt - without waiting to satisfy conventional market economics.

With Speaker Silver's leadership, the legislature enacted a "Marshall Plan" to speed up the physical and economic reconstruction of the Downtown business district and to help rebuilding. In 2007, the State leadership stepped in to resolve our longstanding battles with insurance companies, who were holding back resources necessary for rebuilding.

Mayor Bloomberg raised the money needed to build the Memorial, and under his leadership the City helped trigger a retail and residential boom that transformed Downtown into a model mixed-use neighborhood. And he pushed for the Trade Center to be rebuilt promptly because of its importance to the revival of the rest of Downtown, and the City's overall economy.

We selected a Master Plan for the new World Trade Center that called not only for recreating the retail and office space destroyed in the attacks, but also for a stirring Memorial to the victims of the attacks, a new above-ground mass transit hub, and a Performing Arts Center to bring culture to the site of tragedy.

The Port Authority signed on to that plan and promised to give us construction-ready sites, so that Silverstein Properties could start to build the new buildings - just as we had done with 7 WTC. The Port also agreed to complete critical infrastructure - the PATH Transportation Hub, the Vehicle Security Center and underground roadway, Greenwich Street and utilities - so that we could finish and open the new Trade Center.

Silverstein Properties hired four world-class architects to design the towers and completed the designs a year and a half ago. Just as we were getting to build, after years of the Port Authority insisting that everything was going just fine at the site, the agency admitted the truth - that every project for which the Port is responsible had fallen years behind schedule and hundreds of millions of dollars over budget, threatening the entire WTC rebuilding effort.

The Port Authority's major WTC infrastructure obligations need to be completed as a precondition for the construction, opening and operation of the Memorial, the office towers, the retail and the performing arts center. Unfortunately, two separate government reports indicate that these projects are now years behind the already-delayed schedule the Port Authority announced only 11 months ago.

Some people say that these delays don't matter, that we shouldn't be building office space in this economy and that we should wait for the market to rebound before rebuilding office towers at the Trade Center site. Amazingly, the Port Authority wants to delay completion of the project until 2037.

I disagree. We are not building for today's market. These buildings will take four to five years to build and when they open, the City will be in a much stronger position. We need to be ready.
The city's economy has become more and more dependent on high-value added white collar jobs, which require modern office space - for reasons of technology, productivity and recruiting competitiveness. Those jobs create prosperity that spreads to everyone - retailers, caterers, construction workers, and so on. But we're not building that modern, green office space - at all.

This is not a conventional real estate project, subject to the vagaries of the market. I agree with the Downtown community and 10,000 union workers that this project is too important to delay because of the Port Authority's pessimistic forecast. The heart of New York City's historic Downtown was attacked and destroyed on 9/11. While the economy has created challenges, we have an obligation to our city and to our nation to rebuild. And the Port Authority took $2.75 billion out of the insurance fund for rebuilding based on its commitments to make it possible for us to rebuild at the WTC. I agree with Mayor Bloomberg and Speaker Silver that the cause is too important to give up - we owe it to the world, to our country, our city, and our Downtown community to keep our promises to rebuild after the worst terrorist attack on American soil in our nation's history.
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Amazingly, the Port Authority wants to delay completion of the project until 2037.
Lol, do I really even need to say anything about the bureaucrats that are ruining this city.
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Lol, do I really even need to say anything about the bureaucrats that are ruining this city.
I don't think it's so much the bureaucrats as the lobbyists pulling the strings of their superiors.
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It's not lobbyists holding back the WTC, it's Unions, former gov. Pataki and the Port Authority which if operating in a normal state would not even exist in it's structure.

I walk past this site every work day, and 9 out of 10 people know this site is the laughingstock of the city and country.
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Does anyone remember some years ago when I posted a poll in the old WTC section asking "What do you think the chances that all 4 of these towers will be built?"? and everyone angrily asked me why I would be so pessimistic? Well I think you all get my point now.
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Does anyone remember some years ago when I posted a poll in the old WTC section asking "What do you think the chances that all 4 of these towers will be built?"? and everyone angrily asked me why I would be so pessimistic? Well I think you all get my point now.
Not really. It's not a matter of if the towers would all get built, but when.
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Not really. It's not a matter of if the towers would all get built, but when.
I suppose, but you can't ever listen to the dates given by the media. Some say within the next few years and some say within the next few decades, it seems more than laughable that this would actually take till 2037 to complete, so much could possibly happen in 28 years, why would anyone even say that?
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so much could possibly happen in 28 years, why would anyone even say that?
It's an open guess right now as to when the towers that haven't begun (2,3, and 5) would be completed. It all depends on Silverstein and financing. If Silverstein wins his arbitration with the Port Authority, he expects to get back enough to begin construction on his own. But this thing could drag on long enough for financing to become available again.
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