Salt Lake:Official development news thread - Part 2

[delts145]

When companies want to expand their operations, set up a western distribution and warehousing headquarters, relocate, set up a new manufacturing facility, etc., etc., "Salt Lake City, and it's surrounding metro is at the top of many lists." To suggest otherwise is nonsense and flies in the face of reality. The Wasatch Front has been on an aggressive march of growth in Western warehousing, manufacturing and distribution, energy development, and general commercial growth from high tech to medical supplies, and an endless supply of every kind of imaginable product in the field of consumer goods for quite a few years now. Infact, The Wasatch Front leads the nation in growth of so many fields now, that it has become passe to even post another relocation to this metro, or an expansion that will serve the Western U.S. This has been going on for how many years now? And those that actually are considered experts in pronosticating U.S. metro's growth predict that The Wasatch Metro will not only remain in the top five, but will experience a continued acceleration.

FACT...There is not a metro in this country, which is not passed over regurlarly because of some inane or real misconception of some kind. Many metro's which were once much larger than Salt Lake City Metro have long since been overtaken by the Wasatch Front. The same will continue to happen over the next decade.There are many metros in the West or Midwest, that are only a fraction of the Wasatch Fronts size now. Yet even so, The Salt Lake Metro's growth continues to outpace many of them by a considerable percentage, despite having to extract that percentage from a much larger population base.

FACT...The reality is that the Wasatch Front will continue to be in the top tier of those metros leading in population and economic growth in No. America.
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[WeST]

Originally Posted by Comrade Reynolds

And if we're going to compare progressive Democrats to Karl Marx, can I compare right-wing fundamentalist Republicans to Adolf Hitler?

Not that I would...

There is a little difference here pal, Karl Marx advocated a political ideology and reform, but never killed anyone. The worst you could say about him is he was antisemitic. Hitler, maybe you forgot, killed about 11 million people.

[WeST]

Originally Posted by Comrade Reynolds

I am sorry, but if you're going to suggest Obama is a Marxist - or close to it, you don't have a damn clue and I can't take what you say seriously at all.

Just as I didn't take those on the left seriously when they called Bush a fascist.

I think you need to actually read up on true communism and Marxism, then compare it to Pres. Obama's policies and you'll see they are not even remotely alike.

Hell, compared to many liberals in Europe (socialist, not communist), Obama is a reactionist.

It's beyond being a hyperbole. Your avatar is a ridiculous lie.

I am sorry too that you don't understand where some of the political roots of the progressive movement comes from. I don't know why you are getting your panties in a bunch, Marx isn't a killer like Hitler. Marx isn't Soviet Communism either. It is just an ideology that quite a few still like at least the concept of. I am also sorry that you can't handle a little political ribbing and fun. I would expect someone with the name Comrade to understand little more about political history and their connections. In order to not be a distraction on the conversation I will change it to something that even a comrade won't disagree with.

[skierforlife17]

You guys are silly silly little children or at least your leading me to believe that. Please stop talking so you do not alienate more people from our forum.

Thanks

[WeST]

Yes, your right. Anymore comments like this I will post in Irrelevant.

[esirhgih]

I haven't checked the forum for a couple of weeks.
Disappointed to see that it's still cluttered up with a bunch of pointless BS.

[East2Westback]

Originally Posted by WeST

I am sorry too that you don't understand where some of the political roots of the progressive movement comes from. I don't know why you are getting your panties in a bunch, Marx isn't a killer like Hitler. Marx isn't Soviet Communism either. It is just an ideology that quite a few still like at least the concept of. I am also sorry that you can't handle a little political ribbing and fun. I would expect someone with the name Comrade to understand little more about political history and their connections. In order to not be a distraction on the conversation I will change it to something that even a comrade won't disagree with.

The USA is based on freedom of speech and freedom of choice. First of all I believe that this is an amazingly tough time. We have a President who has been in office for a whole 9 months and there is a group of people on here who want to blame him for the entire situation. The basis of where we are started well before he was elected.

This is a period of time where everyone wants something to work to right this ship.

I am sorry but the intolerant and absolutely lame comments that slam this administration with absurd comments before anything has had a chance to make a difference (or not) is totally lame!

[StevenF]

Thanks for destroying this thread guys as I will now be ignoring any posts from this one for sometime.

[Justnslcsugarhood.]

So, is there any news on what's going on with the Cowboy Partner's condo project on fourth south? or the Gateway condos?

[Comrade]

Originally Posted by WeST

There is a little difference here pal, Karl Marx advocated a political ideology and reform, but never killed anyone. The worst you could say about him is he was antisemitic. Hitler, maybe you forgot, killed about 11 million people.

You crack me up. You really don't believe what you're saying, right? I mean, you seem like a pretty smart guy, yet you're completely off the wall here. It's unbelievable - in fact, down right frightening!

But hey, if this is an act, well played.

[Comrade]

Originally Posted by WeST

I am sorry too that you don't understand where some of the political roots of the progressive movement comes from. I don't know why you are getting your panties in a bunch, Marx isn't a killer like Hitler. Marx isn't Soviet Communism either. It is just an ideology that quite a few still like at least the concept of. I am also sorry that you can't handle a little political ribbing and fun. I would expect someone with the name Comrade to understand little more about political history and their connections. In order to not be a distraction on the conversation I will change it to something that even a comrade won't disagree with.

You're throwing around a term as if you actually understand the basics of its ideology and you clearly don't.

Obama is no more a socialist than Bush a fascist.

If Obama were a true socialist, I'd probably like him a helluva lot more than I do now.

Anyway, that's about it from me on this discussion. Back to Salt Lake development...

[Viperlord]

Hey, lets move the irrelevant comments and discussions to its proper place thanks.

I drove past the Artspace project on 800 south and 400 west the other day and they are moving along with it quite fast. Its kinda weird to see a 4 story structure in that location now especially surrounded by all the industrial use in the area.

[Sight-Seer]

Delts: Denver is 600 miles away and similar geographically. In 2006 (before the recession) it had 10 Fortune 500 companies. It's metro area is roughly twice as big as Salt Lake. Boise had 2, although it's metro area is half as big as Salt Lake. Salt Lake had one -- Huntsman, a rich Mormon. What does Denver and Boise have that Salt Lake doesn't? Conversely, what does Salt Lake have that Denver and Boise don't? Denver has 11 buildings taller than the Wells Fargo Center.

FACT...Salt Lake has been "passed over" 10 times as much as Denver.

[DMTower]

^^^ I think Sorenson might fit the same category as Huntsman, but he is local too. Salt Lake is slowly changing the way it's perceived, but I think the biggest advancements in improving our image will come when several of these big projects are finished and the city changes some of its zoning laws.

[ski_steve]

U Research Tops One-third Billion Dollars

New Record, Despite Recession, Boosts Utah's Economy



Aug. 4, 2009 - The University of Utah collected a record $354.7 million in research funding during the 2009 fiscal year, an impressive 16 percent annual increase despite economic recession and only a little help from federal stimulus funds.

"Given these difficult economic times, this is a remarkable increase in funding for the university's scientific, engineering and medical research," says University of Utah President Michael K. Young.

"Most of this money comes from outside Utah, so it directly fuels our state's economy," he adds. "This research money provides laboratory jobs, fosters a top-notch education for students and advances the state of knowledge for humanity's benefit."

The university's research funding totaled $354,659,178 for the fiscal year that ended June 30, 2009, up more than $49 million from $305,621,461 during the previous fiscal year.

http://unews.utah.edu/p/?r=080309-1

[TonyAnderson]

Originally Posted by Sight-Seer

Delts: Denver is 600 miles away and similar geographically. In 2006 (before the recession) it had 10 Fortune 500 companies. It's metro area is roughly twice as big as Salt Lake. Boise had 2, although it's metro area is half as big as Salt Lake. Salt Lake had one -- Huntsman, a rich Mormon. What does Denver and Boise have that Salt Lake doesn't? Conversely, what does Salt Lake have that Denver and Boise don't? Denver has 11 buildings taller than the Wells Fargo Center.

FACT...Salt Lake has been "passed over" 10 times as much as Denver.

Actually, there are companies outside of the Fortune 500. Like, tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands. I think it's inconclusive to judge a city's economy on just the Fortune 500. Also, many times a company will locate close to a city but not directly in it (e.g Microsoft). With that said, obviously Denver does well, as does Boise. Both unemployment rates are well above Utah's, and Salt Lake's, though. http://www.bls.gov/web/laummtrk.htm

Recently graduated in the IT field, I'm finding a plethora of job opportunities. I like the business climate here, and the way the state handles its money, as well as the entrepreneur spirit and many start ups that form. We could do better like all cities, of course, but all things considered, the economy is good here.

[i-215]

Originally Posted by StevenF

Thanks for destroying this thread guys as I will now be ignoring any posts from this one for sometime.

Uh oh. Time to bust CoolWhipMan out again ...



I do believe this argument has now been officially "cooled off."

[WeST]

Originally Posted by i-215

Uh oh. Time to bust CoolWhipMan out again ...



I do believe this argument has now been officially "cooled off."

Very nice. I already feel better.

[WeST]

Originally Posted by Sight-Seer

Delts: Denver is 600 miles away and similar geographically. In 2006 (before the recession) it had 10 Fortune 500 companies. It's metro area is roughly twice as big as Salt Lake. Boise had 2, although it's metro area is half as big as Salt Lake. Salt Lake had one -- Huntsman, a rich Mormon. What does Denver and Boise have that Salt Lake doesn't? Conversely, what does Salt Lake have that Denver and Boise don't? Denver has 11 buildings taller than the Wells Fargo Center.

FACT...Salt Lake has been "passed over" 10 times as much as Denver.

I did a little quick and dirty investigation of the fortune 500 issue. On the surface this sounds very damning of Delts argument, but a closer look changes it. According to Fortune, Denver has 11 companies in the top 500. If my analysis is right only five of those are relocations from other states. Meaning the other 6 are homegrown out of Denver. From those 5 you get two that had their founding in Omaha, which would have given Colorado a advantage because of proximity. So Utah was only passed up 5X as often as Colorado or, depending how you view it, 3X as often. This is not to denigrate Colorado; home growing businesses is just as good, but this should not be used as evidence that companies are largely avoiding Utah. Lastly, I think only one company moved to Colorado in the 90's and none in this decade.

As for Idaho, the one Fortune 500 company they have, Micron, is also a homegrown enterprise. Utah wasn't passed up for Boise.

Utah needs to keep companies here as they grow and develop into large corporations. I think this is the real issue. Utah also appears to be gaining momentum, which will make it increasingly likely that a company like that would relocate or develop here.

[delts145]

Thanks WeST, DMTower and Tony for your input.

Anyway, my point continues to be that The entire Wasatch Front, (not just Salt Lake Valley) has been and will continue to be among the top 3 to 5 fastest growing areas in the nation. This population growth, economic expansion, and being included at the top of an endless array of prestigious lists, comes in part because of top companies establishing their presence here in a major way. Perhaps, the national or international headquarters is not located here in great numbers yet, but a long list of powerhouses have established their regional and or western hubs along the Wasatch Front. Giants such as Sephora, Proctor & Gamble, Walmart, Micron, E-Bay, Rio Tinto, Unisys, Siebel, L-3 Communications, 3M, Delta, and on and on. All of these major companies, and an even longer list of smaller to mid-size firms have very loudly proclaimed that they chose Salt Lake City as their western U.S. hub for expansion, after a long vetting process was accomplished. Again, the point being that the Wasatch Front has and will continue to lead with it's growth and expansion because small, mid-sized, and major firms choose Salt Lake City as their place for expansion and future growth. This choice by these many companies and government agencies such as the NSA over a short list of others metros, has become very frequent over the past 10 to 15 years.

The days of the greater Denver metro being twice the size of the Wasatch Front and growing at a much faster clip are gone. Time was when Denver or Phoenix was always the regions go-to metros for Western U.S. expansion and hub headquarters. Now metro Salt Lake has inched up to within roughly 70 percent of Denvers size, not 50 percent or less. The Wasatch Front has increasingly become the choice for access to all areas of the West, up to and including the West Coast.

Just to make sure there is no misunderstanding. I like Denver allot, and would put it in my top five picks as a place to live. I'm just saying that Denver, or Phoenix per se, is no longer the only choice. Now Salt Lake City is very much in the game and has increased, and will continue to increase it's percentage of regional growth and influence dramatically. If we are to believe the prognosticators, this build-up over the next decade will be even more dramatic than the last.
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