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Old Posted Jul 23, 2009, 8:59 PM
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^you probably recall my harping on this 2 yrs ago...

there was NO excuse not to have something on 114st and 87ave. 111st i can understand i suppose because there are places across the street but a coffee shop/sandwhich place SHOULD have been on 114st.

we need more exterior mixed use around the university
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there was NO excuse not to have something on 114st and 87ave. 111st i can understand i suppose because there are places across the street but a coffee shop/sandwhich place SHOULD have been on 114st.
But there's a Tim Hortons in that building! I saw a sandwich board on the sidewalk outside it!

HUB still seems to have the same tenants as when I graduated almost 4 years ago. I think the U could exploit commercial sites on campus more without having a food court in every building, or having them all be Tim Hortons. I wonder if there are any food vendors slated to be in CCIS? My money would be on Timmy's... the one in CAB had long lines when I was there Tuesday and Wednesday morning.
     
     
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...but a coffee shop/sandwhich place SHOULD have been on 114st.
That would have been a nice addition. But it's a nice addition to a streetscape that stopped being attractive or inviting decades ago.

110st is only 4 blocks away, but the vide is completely different. Imagine what a half-dozen CRUs along there could do in terms of connecting the hudsons/macs/earls to 109st. That would be amazing.

In the grand scheme of things I think that no retail at this location is a much, much worse mistake. (All of which is assuming that there's no retail in their plans. If there is then huzzah!)
     
     
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Hopefully the building will at least look nice, since it 🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵 to lose heritage houses and get nothing.
The elevation I saw for the concept was not inspiring. Let me post it...



Note: This is the UofA Concept, the architect is probably has freedom to do what they want, within reason.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 23, 2009, 10:42 PM
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^ so pretty much the same as the stuff that's a block north of there, except with one floor below grade. That's great for 88ave, but laaaaaaaame for 87ave.
     
     
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^concur in full..


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edmonton, you are like a wrong weighted oil to me more and more
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^you probably recall my harping on this 2 yrs ago...

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Coldrsx harping???? tell me it isn't so...

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^concur in full..

meh

edmonton, you are like a wrong weighted oil to me more and more
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Old Posted Jul 23, 2009, 11:39 PM
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^ well it looks like the U is taking a design that works okay on a quiet, pedestrian-only street, and transplanting onto a major thoroughfare 15 years later.

Can we please warm up already?

(and having just looked at those residences, they do have one floor below grade. So the concept is exactly the same)

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Coldrsx harping???? tell me it isn't so...



all good engines run on 20/50. they might take a bit longer to warm up but once they get going they'll run strong forever...
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So who could we write at the University to try to encourage them to think about a different design that includes street-level retail?
     
     
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/\ ....Their resident architect?
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City council voted for 12 ward system:

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The city could see the first winner-take-all battles for seats among council incumbents in its history in 2010 when the electoral system is revamped to create 12 wards.

Under the new system, several sitting councillors live in the same wards as their elected colleagues. And some councillors have strong attachments to areas where other councillors live.

"I'd hate to run and not represent the area that I'm representing now," said Coun. Ron Hayter, who has served Ward 2 for 11 terms, but now lives just one block outside it.

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http://www.edmontonjournal.com/news/Ward+shakeup+offers+interesting+races+2010/1823327/story.html
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That's the site. In fact, the motel has been demo'ed.
Actually, I drove by the site on Friday and noticed that the old motel buildings are still there, so I stand corrected. But, it will be demo'ed to make way for the new hotel.
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/\ ....Their resident architect?
Actually, the U of A's architect is a great guy. He has some great ideas, vision and enthusiasm for good design. He just started not too long ago, so I'd give him some time to 'warm up'.
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/\ I know. I agree with out. I'm laughing at RTA's desire to petition them for commercial space.
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Saturday was the hottest day; saw Danica on her scooter & Helio talking with the army guys. Paul Tracey is looking scruffier each year, & got a distant picture of Tag suiting up before getting into his car for the qualifying run. Heading off to catch the shuttle bus now; see you at the races!

IndyCar's future in Edmonton? Promising
Staged closure of City Centre Airport may lead to 'semi-permanent' site that could save millions of dollars


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Sunday, July 26, 2009

Take a deep breath, auto-racing fans. Although the Edmonton City Centre Airport is slated for closure, it may not spell the end of IndyCar racing in the city.

In fact, it may ultimately lead to a more "semi-permanent" site that would save Northlands, owners of the event, millions of dollars every year.

After an early Saturday morning meeting between Northlands and the Indy Racing League, both sides said they were pleased with the discussion and optimistic about the event's future, despite city council's decision to close the airport in the future and develop the site.

Terry Angstadt, IRL commercial division president, said they "couldn't be more pleased" with the meeting, the weekend and the future possibilities. The meeting discussed Northlands' proposal for a two-year extension to their contract, a new date for next year and the possibility of a more permanent-type site for the event.

"What I think is still a bit of an unknown is the destiny of this specific venue," he said. "They(Northlands) seem reasonably optimistic with the information they've been given so far that we'll be able to find more of a permanent venue here. It would need to be tweaked a bit, but not only remain here, but put in certain aspects of permanently that would allow us to put a stake in the ground and be here for a long time."

Northlands major event co-ordinator Mike Burton said Northlands is hoping that the city's future development of the site will include a "semi-permanent" home for the race that would see the grandstands remain intact. The construction and dismantling of the grandstands are a major expense costing Northlands millions of dollars each year.

"That would be our preference," said Burton, "But it obviously will involve a lot of discussion with the city."

Angstadt said having a site to hold the race on a long-term basis would allow the city and the IRL to "really build on that sense of tradition."

Speaking as he wandered the site Saturday, Burton said Northlands has proposed the 2010 IndyCar schedule, to be released Aug. 1, include July 23-25 dates for the Rexall Edmonton Indy. That would move it to the front end of the 10-day Capital Ex Festival and avoid the Aug. 1 long weekend when fans are more likely to be out of town. It would also avoid clashing with Heritage Days festival and the Big Valley Jamboree.

The races in Toronto and Edmonton would then be back-to-back weekends. This year there was a two-week break between the events.

Northlands, which took over the race last year, has asked IRL for a two-year extension to the contract that expires after next year's race. Angstadt said the IRL is receptive to the extension.

"We were very clear with them, we want to do what fits their business model. If two years is good for them, that's great, if it's three years that's great."

That decision won't be made until after Northlands has done its post-race analysis and the 2010 schedule is finalized, "then we'll look to forming something longer term."

This is Indycar's second year in Edmonton--Champ Car was here the first three years--and Angstadt said the IRL is more than pleased with what they've seen so far.

"The promoters think their ticket sales are pretty strong and hospitality is a little soft, that's not unique," he said. "We're clearly focused on doing as much as we can to ensure it is financially successful. If it's not, long term it won't work. We run a business, Northlands runs a business, the City of Edmonton runs a business and if it's not successful it won't run."

But he said the $5-million deficit encounter last year should be looked at in the context of the benefits to the city.

"When you have people involved who also benefit from the economic impact I think people can get pretty comfortable at some level, and we don't want any deficits, no one does, but I think there is an acceptable deficit when you take a step back and say, $80-million economic impact. OK, was there a $5-million investment to create that? In a lot of businesss you might say that's pretty acceptable.

"But I think we can get better every year."

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I am not sure the public will support keeping an area for the track open for a 3 days race once a year. After all if the City can not support keeping 1 runway open for daily business and emergency air travel - how the hell would they defend keeping a big chuck of that VERY valuable land for a 3 day race once a year. Not sure what Northlands is smoking but I am not buying any of it. Northlands best get working on an alternative site...like NE of the Coliseum on route to Clarview or around the Northlands site. I appreciate they like the runway to race on...but that is NOT an option and is NOT going to happen medium to long term. Northlands need a longer vision for an expanded site in their existing location or elsewhere that includes a new track right at the Grandstand area that supports 4 wheeled and 4 foot racing. I wonder how they could extend the existing grandstand to the West, wrap it around moving the horse-barns?? A new LRT embedded right into it and over it etc. Can anyone vision this looking at Google Earth?
     
     
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^ I don't see a problem. The muni space is huge, and the indy needs just a fraction of it, plus 30 years or so for full build out. I think it can fit there for a long time.
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I personally don't think that they'll build a permanent track on the CCA site. A perm site will be built somewhere else. The CCA land is much too valuable to be used as a permanent race track.
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