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Old Posted Jul 18, 2009, 11:53 PM
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It just seems more inappropriate (and probably illegal? the bar part anyways) to have a dance floor and bar in the bathroom.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 19, 2009, 1:55 AM
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I've experience unisex bathrooms in the residences of l'Universite du Montreal. Not a big deal, actually quite amusing to confront your pre-conditioned notions about such things.

I've also experienced semi-unisex bathrooms in a club in the States. Basically the urinal/stall area was separated but the sink/mirrors area was mixed, which I would say created an interesting "social" environment.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 19, 2009, 2:22 AM
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A unisex bathroom is one thing, but what about the plan to have a bar in the bathroom? It seems to me that this is a clear violation of the timeless principle that one should not shit where one eats (or drinks).
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 19, 2009, 3:57 AM
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regarding the unisex bathrooms. you dont need to go to the states or mtl to see them. both score and oasis have them and theyre great all bathrooms should be like that
     
     
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the stalls are actually completely enclosed, like little rooms sealed from top to bottom, even the urinals.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 19, 2009, 12:15 PM
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bars in bathrooms isn't really new either. they've been around for years in clubs back east.

Circa nightclub in Toronto has a big bar in their washrooms.
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aside from grabbing a drink on your way back to the dancefloor (usually less of a line-up) i have no idea why anyone would want to hang out there longer than you needed to.

unless of course your pissed drunk or high in which case you have no idea what's going on anyway.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 19, 2009, 12:36 PM
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Blackbird, you really need to learn how to use the veteran card. Stop being so over dramatic.

Like others have said, look at it as free publicity.
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Old Posted Jul 19, 2009, 1:25 PM
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The Cosmo story
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Saturday, July, 18, 2009

The inaugural Cosmo households will share a landmark address at prices tabulated for them by Canada's largest residential developer over a winter of economic infamy.

Cosmo is not the first downtown pre-sell resurrected this year after withdrawal last year. That distinction belongs to Richards, from Franceso Aquilini, owner of the Vancouver Canucks.

Almost unsellable in September when their average asking price was just under $800 a square foot, about 170 of the almost 230 Richards homes were sold last month, at $585 a square foot.

Like Richards, the Cosmo homes have been newly priced. The price now is "under $600 a square foot average," Concord Pacific's Grant Murray reports.

"Originally, when we priced this building, at the height of the market, we were around $825," he says. "So we said, 'Okay, what are we going to do.'"

Internally, the Concord Pacific vice-president says, his championship of prices that were competitive with Richards prices was a challenge.

That pride of place that any property-owner must negotiate when setting a selling price was present during the Cosmo pricing-deliberations at Concord Pacific, even at Concord Pacific (almost 70 residential highrises over 20 years in Vancouver and Toronto) would be better: The property is remarkably located and the eventual common areas will be commensurately appropriate.

"I said, 'Look, I'm not out to knock any another developer. I'm excited that they took the first plunge, and have done so well, with 70 per cent sold in 18 days.'

"To me, that was an indication that the market is really quite active and is there. We didn't want to get greedy."

The Cosmo building will rise 23 storeys above the northeast corner of an intersection that defines prominence in metropolitan Vancouver, Georgia and Beatty.

More than 22,000 vehicles eastbound on Georgia pass this intersection every day, city hall says.

Thousands of hockey and football fans pass Georgia and Beatty on foot on their way to and from Canuck and B.C. Lion games in GM Place and BC Place Stadium. Thousands of concert-goers pass by, again on foot, on their special nights downtown.

"I call it [the immediate neighbourhood] 'Funtown,'" Murray says. "It's at the forefront of the entertainment district; it's on the upper side; it's leading into that."

The Cosmo common area that passersby will see, the building's lobby, has been designed and will be furnished to be seen.

Furniture and furnishings will be by Armani Casa, the nine-year-old home-furnishings foray by one of the legends of haute couture, Italian Giorgio Armani.

Walls will be clad in laquered panels. A fireplace will be framed by a full-height surround of marble and metal. More marble will be underfoot.

A concierge will be present 12 hours a day, his or her desk backlit by a fabric-and-glass overlay.

"When we talked to [architect] James Cheng about the lobby, we said, 'Let's do a lobby that says, I'm welcoming you, and would, at the same time, be visually impressive.' This is a Georgia Street address and every time you come down there you will look squarely into it," Murray says.

"We said when people look in here we want to showcase something ... it doesn't have to be super high end ... that would suggest elegance and warmth, that this is a place to live, that you would enjoying living yourself, as opposed to being just investor indicative."

The lobby will share the main floor with another common area. Below the main floor will be yet another common area, a two-lane bowling alley, with lounge seating, a large-screen TV and a bar.

Eleven floors above the main floor will be the outdoor common area. The Cosmo terrace will include a hot tub, a firepit with built-in seating and an outdoor kitchen and barbecue.

Cosmo households will also have the use of the amenities in the next-door Spectrum towers, first of which is the indoor pool.

Spectrum is an important part of the Cosmo story. Part of the Concord Pacific brief to architect Cheng was to distinguish the Cosmo tower from the four Spectrum towers that he designed.

At 23 floors, the Cosmo highrise will not be as tall as the Spectrum highrises, at 32, 30, 27 and 26 floors.

The Cosmo highrise will step upwards, the break in its ascension occurring after 11 floors, and at the outdoor terrace; the Spectrum highrises thrust upwards.

The Cosmo highrise will also eschew the soaring decorative columns of red, blue and yellow, and the red railings and multi-coloured townhouse entrances, that have made the Spectrum highrises the most colourful in the downtown peninsula.

Intersection and neighbouring residences aren't the only physical proximities germane to Cosmo: a new neighbourhood, at city hall called Northeast False Creek, is rising, if only on paper right now, to the east of Cosmo.

"One of the largest undeveloped areas on the downtown peninsula," in the words of a city hall review document, Northeast False Creek will be the creation of negotiations between city hall, the provincial government and the principal property owners, Concord Pacific, Francesco Aquilini (GM Place), BC Pavilion Corp. (BC Place) and Canadian Metropolitan Properties (Plaza of Nations, on the former Expo 86 site).

City council last year gave Pavco 1.4 million square feet of "development potential" at the stadium site. (The Woodwards building has almost 1.23 million square feet of floor space, not to suggest an equivalent is about to rise above BC Place Stadium, but to provide a comparison with a building in the news right now, as the inaugural households prepare to move in.)

Cosmo, in other words, is a Concord Pacific piece in a new-neighbourhood puzzle.

"With another dozen buildings to go, and all centred around the 'entertainment district,' we are at the start of our final hooray," company vice-president Murray says.

"As the largest of the four developers in this area, we want to make a real statement and go out with a real 'bash' over the next years. We're going to do it right."

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i don't know if i would advertise the fact that there are 22,000 vehicles that pass that intersection everyday. that's sounds horrible -

i also don't like the fact that Cheng is continuing his colour scheme (red, blue, yellow) on this building. the spectrum towers are ok but he should have left that style there. something new James!
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 19, 2009, 2:26 PM
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I don't have high hopes for Cosmo, since it's a Cheng. We'll see.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 19, 2009, 5:09 PM
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defines prominence?
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 19, 2009, 5:30 PM
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I love how you just threw this out there without any basis whatsoever. Have a bitter history with some of their projects?
Used to live in one of their buildings, but more concerned with their wanton disregard for the area.

That dump site they're running without permits is just the start. They buy a company and then move the then off-site storage onto the land across the street from GM Place.

Un-permitted removal of trees along the waterfront another. Got fined for that one.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 19, 2009, 6:33 PM
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Very sad to see Richards go. Looking forward to the new club on Seymour.

Very nice summary of events by Skook.
     
     
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eschew |esˈ ch oō|
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deliberately AVOID using; abstain from : he appealed to the crowd to eschew violence.

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It sounds like Cheng will NOT be continuing his colour scheme on the Cosmo building.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 19, 2009, 8:51 PM
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womens washrooms in gay bars are usually unisex - i know i always used them at celebs back in the day when it was still gay
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womens washrooms in gay bars are usually unisex - i know i always used them at celebs back in the day when it was still gay
still? what happened? swap teams?
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It sounds like Cheng will NOT be continuing his colour scheme on the Cosmo building.
i totally missed that! LOL
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Old Posted Jul 20, 2009, 3:26 AM
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Anthony Bourdain and Discovery CH have an amazing show on Vancouver tonight
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 20, 2009, 1:05 PM
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Update on some of the dastardly gentrification in the DTES:

Pigeon Park revamp is underway, new pub and liquor store are open on Abbott in International Village Mall, the new white neon sign on a building someone was mentioning earlier is on the new Bob Rennie office in Pender - reads: Everything is going to be okay (now why would a realtor want us to think that?).

Also, people have started to move into Espana, are already in East and that new building on Pender between Abbott and Carall. The downtown Costco seems to be a success, so it has been demonstrated that a viable retailer can draw business to the area. Woodwards is coming along nicely and the middle of the block across the street from it is being renovated. A couple of the older buildings in Chinatown are also being revamped.

Nuba has moved into the basement of the Dominion Building, the Diamond has opened in the old Savoy location on Maple Tree Square, across from the new Vera's, and a new fancy pants establishment called the "Pourhouse" is nearling completion at the other end of Gastown. The Builthup (or whatever) super fancy pants kitchen place has opened on Abbott and Cordova. The Met has undergone a reno.

I know some of this is old news, but put it together and you really start to see how these things start to add up. Last night, I sat in front of Tinseltown Mall for a good half hour with my 5 year old son and saw all kinds of people going by, including a surprising number of families, and a truly surprising lack of street people (not absent, but when I moved into the area, I was in the minority). I'm probably being a bit over optimistic, but I think we have turned a corner - reached the tipping point - and things will start to come together surprisingly quickly from now on. Woodwards should seal the deal. If the horrid bottle depot on Hastings can be moved over into the industrial area, the squalor will have largely left the area within a couple of years.

As for the pivot legal gang, the battle is I hope, finally lost. Their argument only makes sense if we are facing a poverty problem. We're not: we're facing a drug abuse and mental illness problem, and, since they are addressing the wrong problem, the solutions the DTES "advocates" propose actually make the problem worse. No one would ever suggest that drug addiction and mental problems are best served by putting all of the victims in the same area in 3rd world housing. That's insanity, and it's been our unwritten policy in Vancouver for a couple or three decades. The results are in and it is a colossal failure. It`s time to try something else, especially for the benefit of the poor people who find themselves trapped in this shithole, and once again the so-called progressives fight change (which is actually the definition of a conservative, but I digress).
Great summary! I too have noticed a slight change in the area from when I first moved here, a mere two years ago. My one concern, however, is that the problems of the DTES are being pushed east into Strathcona now. I've noticed the area surrounding Oppenheimer Park and Strathcona industrial to be a little more sketchier lately. The last few times I was taking pictures in that area I was hassled each time, which has rarely happened to me at all, anywhere in Vancouver. Anecdotal observations I know, but still...
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funny you mention that. on my way to north van yesterday, i was really surprised to see prostitutes working the street (at noon no less) on powell street around those industrial buildings.
     
     
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they have always worked in that area

my friend's lab/office is there and he has to dodge the hookers some times
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