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Old Posted Jul 17, 2009, 10:30 PM
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lots of details on the Concord lands use during the 2010 games >> http://www.concordpacific.com/condos/commercial-retail.htm

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Old Posted Jul 17, 2009, 10:36 PM
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^^^ Nice

Yes, there are hundreds of NEW social housing projects coming online soon. Can you believe the "activists" are critical of the Woodwards project? There are also some new social housing projects being developed along Hastings as well at the moment.

I can't believe how critical the "activists" are. Don't they realize that the Salient Group guy (Robert Fung?) had bought about 10 SRO buildings in the area? I had high hopes for some SERIOUS change, but then the government went and bought those same buildings from him! Nice profit for the guy.... and guess what will happen to these same buildings in 5-10 years time after housing crack addicts and mentally insane people? The junkies should be housed somewhere outside the DTES (away from the drugs) and the mentally insane should have proper establishments built for them (Riverview anyone...?). Ok, Friday rant over
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 17, 2009, 11:03 PM
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^^^ Nice

Yes, there are hundreds of NEW social housing projects coming online soon. Can you believe the "activists" are critical of the Woodwards project? There are also some new social housing projects being developed along Hastings as well at the moment.

I can't believe how critical the "activists" are. Don't they realize that the Salient Group guy (Robert Fung?) had bought about 10 SRO buildings in the area? I had high hopes for some SERIOUS change, but then the government went and bought those same buildings from him! Nice profit for the guy.... and guess what will happen to these same buildings in 5-10 years time after housing crack addicts and mentally insane people? The junkies should be housed somewhere outside the DTES (away from the drugs) and the mentally insane should have proper establishments built for them (Riverview anyone...?). Ok, Friday rant over
They are critical because they wanted the whole project to be social housing, with none of the improvements to the area (SFU, etc.)

Yes, serious. Could you imagine the state of that building if that were to happen.

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The Woodward's squat began outside the building in mid-September as a protest for social housing.

About 25 people occupied the building the next day but were eventually evicted.

At the height of the protest, there were about 280 people on the street, but after 90 days the number had dwindled to about 100.

The building became a symbol of homelessness and affordable housing after the department store chain went bankrupt in 1993 and social housing activists campaigned to have the entire store converted to more than 400 units of affordable housing. The province's previous NDP government bought the building with the intention of converting it to housing.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 17, 2009, 11:37 PM
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I love how you just threw this out there without any basis whatsoever. Have a bitter history with some of their projects?

On a related note, I'm really interested in what is going to happen on those lands. Its quite close to the Skytrain station so I could definitely see some action there since its a relatively large parcel of flat land in the DT area (rare to find).
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 18, 2009, 12:11 AM
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Yes, there are hundreds of NEW social housing projects coming online soon. Can you believe the "activists" are critical of the Woodwards project? There are also some new social housing projects being developed along Hastings as well at the moment.

I can't believe how critical the "activists" are. Don't they realize that the Salient Group guy (Robert Fung?) had bought about 10 SRO buildings in the area? I had high hopes for some SERIOUS change, but then the government went and bought those same buildings from him! Nice profit for the guy.... and guess what will happen to these same buildings in 5-10 years time after housing crack addicts and mentally insane people? The junkies should be housed somewhere outside the DTES (away from the drugs) and the mentally insane should have proper establishments built for them (Riverview anyone...?). Ok, Friday rant over
I agree 100% We should have proper medical fecilities to house the mentally ill (instead of having them rot on the street and fuel the pockets of gangs through selling drugs and prostitution). These homeless "advocates" are simply losers who don't want to change their life style. They want to simply continue their open drug use, lazy dirty life style. If they were true homeless advocates they would be pushing for more rehab facilities (which i think should be a factor in all social housing, such as teaching them proper house care and forced drug rehab) and back to work job programs, helping teach jobs and skills (schooling that would be slowly paid back by garnishing a small percentage of their salary for a few years after).

Also they are not above the law, yes it makes no sense to give the poor a ticket for jaywalking, but instead of giving them tickets how about they are forced to pay off their tickets by taking part in a days work of cleaning up the neughbourhood or other such activities. No more free rides.

I am 100% for welfare, social housing and rehab, but in their current form we are simply enabling their slum lifestyle, we need to change it around where they come with strings attatched, and if you are mentaly and physicaly healthy, no more excuses to being lazy, forced rehab i say.

I am a hard handed socialist, hence why i really dislike the current special interest group whipped NDP. We need to bring back a good old labour party.
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I have a theory, however wrong, that they are the cause of the fire alarm going off all of the time.

They have a separate entrance, and you never see them... though.

I'm glad Capitol agreed to renovate the Orpheum in lieu of having a social housing component.

Anyways, according to the city there are 21,000 occupied units of social housing and 3800 more units coming before 2010. Meaning 8.5% of units in the city are social housing.

It'll be a never ending problem, because if you build it they will come.
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Old Posted Jul 18, 2009, 2:08 AM
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I wasn't going to comment on this but I 'm not that disciplined.
As someone that did fight on behalf of our country I am appalled by people that use the my grandfather died in the war for our freedoms rhetoric. It's always the last people in the world that would even go to war that uses that argument.
What your grandfather or mine did doesn't give us our rights today, they fought to keep our rights at the time. We and no one else, is responsible for protecting our rights.
And Don't think for a second that we are having our rights striped away, the truth is our grandparents didn't have nearly the rights we do today, neither did our parents. We just have more time on our hands then they ever did to 🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵 about things.

I'm not a photographer, and I'm not familiar with copyright laws hence why I removed the images as they are yours and you expressed desire for them not to be here. I honoured your request. Personally I would take Giallo's advice to prevent future issues, he is a pro and I value his opinion.

The pics have been removed, apology sent, issue is done. Lets move on to Downtown updates.


Crane climbing equipment was being unloaded at The georgia today, anyone know if they had time to lift the crane today?
     
     
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thanks for the pic Hollywood. hey, it's better than a big 🞵🞵🞵 parking lot!
hopefully they will be able to lease all available plots.

but why does concord 🞵🞵🞵🞵? i'm not a big fan of their buildings but there's nothing wrong with them.

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Guys, maybe the reason I am a bit maniacal about it is because just last week, and it wasn't the first time this kind of thing has happened, I found someone who, as happened here, posted a shot that was linked back to my account and offered credit on the site, but who was using my shot to promote a pyramid scheme. It's something I'm against ,so I told him to remove it. He resisted. What other recourse is there. This kind of thing happens more than you'd care to know. It's really frustrating, especially given my desire to help bring about positive changes in the DTES. You assume too much when you say I'm against gentrification. It's happening and there's no stopping it but it should be handled in a way that isn't Godzilla like where the low income people who have traditionally inhabited the neighbourhood and who made a community of it are pushed out without somewhere to go. It's where our homeless population comes from. Government can act now if it wants to and start building the social housing that was promised in the bid book that won Vancouver the Games. Six years later and it's still just talk, talk, talk. I take my work seriously because the welfare of our most vulnerable citizens hangs in the balance. When I see people using my shots in a discussion about how the streets are looking great and how all streets should be so nice when what that beautification does is raise rents and push people out of their homes. It's a horrible reality about our city and it needs fixing urgently. I understand some of you may not care at all, or maybe haven't considered the impact at all. You're free to think however you want about it, of course. But, like the pyramid scheme, I felt an ethical divide between what I intend the photos be used to support and what I found here. You guys are one in a recent series where I found such a conflict for one reason or another. So, I apologize for being too strong, invoking the Charter and the memory of our fallen soldiers, but our freedom to protect our creations - and part of that involves guarding the contexts within which they are use - are saved by them. I take the health and welfare of all Canadians to heart. We do a great job in this country in so many ways but we could benefit so much by providing supports where they are necessary. There are serious human rights violations occurring.

So, if only to humour me, all I would like is for people to ask first. It would have spared us this entire unpleasantness.

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I take it you have an interest in the way metro Vancouver is looking, the transportation in it and the cost of living here as well. You seem like a fairly knowledgable person on various subjects. You're perfectly welcome to stay and continue posting what you think of the city as well as providing your own screenshots and pictures of the area that you'd like to show (But I would suggest putting a watermark in one of the corners or a watermark with the huge word "SAMPLE" across the face of the picture itself so people won't want to steal your pictures any longer).
     
     
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It's really frustrating, especially given my desire to help bring about positive changes in the DTES.

When I see people using my shots in a discussion about how the streets are looking great and how all streets should be so nice when what that beautification does is raise rents and push people out of their homes. It's a horrible reality about our city and it needs fixing urgently.
Help bring positive change by preventing positive change? Awesome. "The urban fabric of the neighbourhood should remain looking like a slum."



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You assume too much when you say I'm against gentrification.
Seems pretty gentrified to me right now, just not the pretty type.




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It's happening and there's no stopping it but it should be handled in a way that isn't Godzilla like where the low income people who have traditionally inhabited the neighbourhood and who made a community of it are pushed out without somewhere to go. It's where our homeless population comes from.
Our homeless population, or rather the downtown eastside homeless population, comes from continuing to build social housing in just one small area. What do you create? A slum, where there's no hope for these individuals to change their life.




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Government can act now if it wants to and start building the social housing that was promised in the bid book that won Vancouver the Games. Six years later and it's still just talk, talk, talk. I take my work seriously because the welfare of our most vulnerable citizens hangs in the balance.
And they have. The social housing that was promised in the bid book was what was promised for the Olympic Village. The provincial government has also spent hundreds of millions on other social housing projects.

And really, Vancouver is probably the most liberal and homeless-friendly in the continent....nevermind in Canada. Social housing isn't a right, it's a privilege.




We're all for free speech and peaceful protests. But we are simply against those that are disruptive (i.e. crashing events) or are violent. If "RIOT 2010" doesn't imply something, iunno what else to say.
     
     
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Hmm... I certainly have neglected this thread a day or two too long. Everybody please refer to jlousa's last excellent post before replying to any other ridiculous and off-topic posts made here in the last few days.

Now in an attempt to contribute and stay on topic... anybody see the new VAG art installation being setup at the Shangri-La today? I remember somebody posted some information on what the first exhibit there would be but I guess I didn't read it thoroughly enough because what has been installed thus far is quite different than what I was expecting... large photos of somewhat sad looking Asian children (all girls I believe... though it wasn't fully installed last time I looked). Either way it looked quite good so far. I also noticed that the site's capability of filling a small pool of water was being put to the test a day or two ago, though was drained during the installation today - I assume it will be filled again once all the art is in place. It is a pretty slick looking feature and I imagine its main aesthetic purpose will be to reflect the artwork, while functionally discouraging viewers from getting too close.
     
     
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Now in an attempt to contribute and stay on topic... anybody see the new VAG art installation being setup at the Shangri-La today?
I walked past the area the other day, the exhibit buildings being all glass does not fair well for any prized art work. Meaning that not only will the extra light (sun) distort the images but can also damage them.
It may be a good format for sculpture and such, but I would be surprised if anything of value was allowed to hang there.
All art studios and museums use only controlled artificial light.
     
     
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Global news reported that demolition of the club begins on tuesday!

Richard's on Richards R.I.P. It's last call for the legendary Vancouver nightclub

VANCOUVER - Richard’s on Richards is toast. The long-standing Vancouver nightclub will stage its last show Sunday, and will be knocked down for a new condo development by the end of the month.

The club is supposed to be resurrected in new digs on the old A&B Sound site on Seymour, but it won’t be the same. There’s something about old nightclubs that defies a transfer to a new location, and Richard’s was a cool old building that was perfect for live music. Brick walls, a high ceiling, wood floor — they really don’t make ’em that way anymore.

It joins a storied list of Vancouver nightclubs that have closed, changed their format or fallen to the wrecker’s ball in recent years. The Starfish Room, the Town Pump, the Marine Club, the Luv-a-Fair, Graceland, the Smilin’ Buddha, the Savoy, the Cave, the Marco Polo, O’Hara’s, Oil Can Harry’s, the Spinning Wheel, Rohan’s — they’re all long gone and fading into memory.

“🞵🞵🞵🞵’s on Dicks” wasn’t always held in high esteem by the live music community, of course. In the ’80s it was a beautiful-people bar with Top 40 cover bands, the kind of place some people adored and others despised. It reminded me of a short-lived pickup bar in Gastown called Amnesia, which a female friend noted was an apt name, ’cause you didn’t want to remember who you went home with.

The decor was still a little too glitzy for a live music club, even in recent years. Frankly, live music just seems to have a little more je ne sait quoi in a dump like the Marine Club, which looked like a ’50s rec room gone to seed and still smelled like an ashtray years after smoking was banned in bars.

But hey, Richard’s on Richards did have its share of great shows. The last one I can recall was Art Bergmann’s triumphant return to the stage after years of suffering from arthritis. The Zombies were incredible at Richard’s a couple of years back, as was Nick Lowe. Before it was Richard’s on Richards it was an all-ages punk club called The Laundromat, where Subhumans singer Wimpy Roy was once hauled off the stage by his crazed fans, who literally ripped his clothes off and deposited him back onstage, naked.

Ah, youth.

The notorious Courtney Love bared her 🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵 onstage at Richard’s, although she wasn’t actually performing — it was a Lemonheads gig. To the liquor board, though, the most notorious Richard’s show was a Black-Eyed Peas gig in 2004 where the masses were crammed in like sardines.

“I would say we were well over 700,” recalled Bob Burrows, who booked Richard’s for years.

“The legal capacity at the time was 375, which was absurd. They don’t do that anymore, they raised [capacity] to the fire code. I paid a huge fine for that, I think it was $28,000. They threw the book at us.”

Burrows said the Richard’s building was originally a garage, and that it was actually two buildings that were joined.

“The side where you went in, the lobby, was a separate building from the actual club,” he explained.

“When David Kim bought the property (in the late ’90s) he bought the club first, then sent me to negotiate with the old guy that owned the lobby. It was really weird, we owned half the club but not the other half. He ran an auto electrical-repair thing out of that side. I remember when I first went there, the whole building opened up like a garage door on that side.”

Nightclub fixtures Roger Gibson and Bruce Allen opened Richard’s in the early ’80s, but never owned the building, “much to Bruce’s chagrin.” Burrows booked the club for Kim, and continued to book it after the current owner, 0742823 B.C. Ltd. (which lists Alam Karim as director) bought it in 2005.

The new Richard’s will be nothing like the old one, and won’t be called Richard’s on Richards, because it’s on Seymour street. Vince Alvaro — who used to run Graceland — has partnered with Karim on the club, which promises to be quite the deal. Renovations have cost $3.7 million to date, and the club is supposed to open in mid-to-late October.

The new space is huge — 30,000 square feet. Alvaro says it will feature four lounges on three floors, some quiet, some not, as well as art galleries run by the Belkin Gallery and Presentation House. There will be some live music during the week, but it will be a dance club on the weekend. Capacity will be 449.

“It’s a very art-oriented nightclub, if that makes any sense,” Alvaro said.

“A lot like Graceland was. A lot of the clientele will be people involved in the arts, visual arts, music, film, fashion, photography.”

The main dance floor will be on A&B’s old main floor. But the basement sounds like the most interesting space.

“Downstairs there’s a 6,000-square-foot basement with 12-foot-high ceilings,” Alvaro said.

“It’s a big unisex bathroom, [and] the bathroom has its own dance floor and bar in it. It’s going to be totally wild, pushing all sorts of buttons. Nothing like it in the city.”

http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Richard...y+Vancouver+nightclub/1802274/story.html
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“It’s a big unisex bathroom, [and] the bathroom has its own dance floor and bar in it. It’s going to be totally wild, pushing all sorts of buttons. Nothing like it in the city.”

This should be a huge hit with the pervert crowd, I wonder it the woman’s cubicle will be see through glass.
     
     
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Update on some of the dastardly gentrification in the DTES:

Pigeon Park revamp is underway, new pub and liquor store are open on Abbott in International Village Mall, the new white neon sign on a building someone was mentioning earlier is on the new Bob Rennie office in Pender - reads: Everything is going to be okay (now why would a realtor want us to think that?).

Also, people have started to move into Espana, are already in East and that new building on Pender between Abbott and Carall. The downtown Costco seems to be a success, so it has been demonstrated that a viable retailer can draw business to the area. Woodwards is coming along nicely and the middle of the block across the street from it is being renovated. A couple of the older buildings in Chinatown are also being revamped.

Nuba has moved into the basement of the Dominion Building, the Diamond has opened in the old Savoy location on Maple Tree Square, across from the new Vera's, and a new fancy pants establishment called the "Pourhouse" is nearling completion at the other end of Gastown. The Builthup (or whatever) super fancy pants kitchen place has opened on Abbott and Cordova. The Met has undergone a reno.

I know some of this is old news, but put it together and you really start to see how these things start to add up. Last night, I sat in front of Tinseltown Mall for a good half hour with my 5 year old son and saw all kinds of people going by, including a surprising number of families, and a truly surprising lack of street people (not absent, but when I moved into the area, I was in the minority). I'm probably being a bit over optimistic, but I think we have turned a corner - reached the tipping point - and things will start to come together surprisingly quickly from now on. Woodwards should seal the deal. If the horrid bottle depot on Hastings can be moved over into the industrial area, the squalor will have largely left the area within a couple of years.

As for the pivot legal gang, the battle is I hope, finally lost. Their argument only makes sense if we are facing a poverty problem. We're not: we're facing a drug abuse and mental illness problem, and, since they are addressing the wrong problem, the solutions the DTES "advocates" propose actually make the problem worse. No one would ever suggest that drug addiction and mental problems are best served by putting all of the victims in the same area in 3rd world housing. That's insanity, and it's been our unwritten policy in Vancouver for a couple or three decades. The results are in and it is a colossal failure. It`s time to try something else, especially for the benefit of the poor people who find themselves trapped in this shithole, and once again the so-called progressives fight change (which is actually the definition of a conservative, but I digress).
     
     
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“It’s a big unisex bathroom, [and] the bathroom has its own dance floor and bar in it. It’s going to be totally wild, pushing all sorts of buttons. Nothing like it in the city.”
That's just creepy and begs the question... "WHY!?!"

I got creeped out enough when one Italian clothing store I was in had unisex bathrooms. And... they were just normal stalls!
     
     
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Update on some of the dastardly gentrification in the DTES:

Pigeon Park revamp is underway, new pub and liquor store are open on Abbott in International Village Mall, the new white neon sign on a building someone was mentioning earlier is on the new Bob Rennie office in Pender - reads: Everything is going to be okay (now why would a realtor want us to think that?).

Also, people have started to move into Espana, are already in East and that new building on Pender between Abbott and Carall. The downtown Costco seems to be a success, so it has been demonstrated that a viable retailer can draw business to the area. Woodwards is coming along nicely and the middle of the block across the street from it is being renovated. A couple of the older buildings in Chinatown are also being revamped.

Nuba has moved into the basement of the Dominion Building, the Diamond has opened in the old Savoy location on Maple Tree Square, across from the new Vera's, and a new fancy pants establishment called the "Pourhouse" is nearling completion at the other end of Gastown. The Builthup (or whatever) super fancy pants kitchen place has opened on Abbott and Cordova. The Met has undergone a reno.

I know some of this is old news, but put it together and you really start to see how these things start to add up. Last night, I sat in front of Tinseltown Mall for a good half hour with my 5 year old son and saw all kinds of people going by, including a surprising number of families, and a truly surprising lack of street people (not absent, but when I moved into the area, I was in the minority). I'm probably being a bit over optimistic, but I think we have turned a corner - reached the tipping point - and things will start to come together surprisingly quickly from now on. Woodwards should seal the deal. If the horrid bottle depot on Hastings can be moved over into the industrial area, the squalor will have largely left the area within a couple of years.

As for the pivot legal gang, the battle is I hope, finally lost. Their argument only makes sense if we are facing a poverty problem. We're not: we're facing a drug abuse and mental illness problem, and, since they are addressing the wrong problem, the solutions the DTES "advocates" propose actually make the problem worse. No one would ever suggest that drug addiction and mental problems are best served by putting all of the victims in the same area in 3rd world housing. That's insanity, and it's been our unwritten policy in Vancouver for a couple or three decades. The results are in and it is a colossal failure. It`s time to try something else, especially for the benefit of the poor people who find themselves trapped in this shithole, and once again the so-called progressives fight change (which is actually the definition of a conservative, but I digress).
This is an amazing observation from start to finish. Thank you.
     
     
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It's really frustrating, especially given my desire to help bring about positive changes in the DTES. You assume too much when you say I'm against gentrification. It's happening and there's no stopping it but it should be handled in a way that isn't Godzilla like where the low income people who have traditionally inhabited the neighbourhood and who made a community of it are pushed out without somewhere to go. It's where our homeless population comes from. Government can act now if it wants to and start building the social housing that was promised in the bid book that won Vancouver the Games. Six years later and it's still just talk, talk, talk. I take my work seriously because the welfare of our most vulnerable citizens hangs in the balance. When I see people using my shots in a discussion about how the streets are looking great and how all streets should be so nice when what that beautification does is raise rents and push people out of their homes. It's a horrible reality about our city and it needs fixing urgently.
You know what is so hilarious Blackbird? Watching someone demand respect for his property rights while simultaneously advocating for "social housing", i.e., for the expropriation of some people's wealth to pay for the housing of others.

Truly laughable.
     
     
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That's just creepy and begs the question... "WHY!?!"

I got creeped out enough when one Italian clothing store I was in had unisex bathrooms. And... they were just normal stalls!
I'm in France at the moment and I've seen a few unisex bathrooms and a swimming pool changeroom (with individual cublicles). It just doesn't seem to be that big a deal here.

On another note, this new club hardly seems to be a worthy replacement for Richard's on Richards. A fancy multi-level nightclub is no substitute for a great live music venue.
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^ without intending to whatever, i'll just mention that when i was a student in paris, the washrooms were unisex. my friend was a student in munich at the same time, and i noted that his school also had unisex bathrooms. i'll admit that it was a little strange standing at the urinal while girls were smoking and chatting and doing their make up, but other than that, it was normal - though in europe, the individual stalls are much more private. that said, at a club, i think it would be a little strange, given that half the time that i'm hitting the bathroom, it's to check hair and talk on the phone, the fluidity of which would be serious compromised in a mixed gender environment. still, i kinda like the idea.

as an aside, is it just me, or has the construction slowdown led to a dramatic increase in off topic remarks?
     
     
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