Downtown Vancouver Updates - Page 197

David · #**3921** Posted **Jul 17, 2009, 7:11 AM**

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Originally Posted by hollywoodnorth

hehehe

I was wondering why the pictures seemed to focus on the construction men and them being bent over in like semi-homosexual positions. I think the photographer is just embarrassed that he got cause all blue balled taking photos of construction men.

Example 1 http://www.flickr.com/photos/blackbird_hollow/3720779863/ (bend it like beckham and being lined up from behind)

2 http://www.flickr.com/photos/blackbird_hollow/3720778395/ (you screw that pole big boy)

3 - http://www.flickr.com/photos/blackbird_hollow/3721595354/ (pour that your dirty dirty men)

I rest my case........jury?

This just raises so many more questions. Primarily, how was this necessary? and why are you so juvenile?

SpongeG · #**3922** Posted **Jul 17, 2009, 8:49 AM**

this plaza on alberni has been fenced off - any idea why? I know the Liquor store is going in here but are they redoinghe plaza too?

infill on Davie...

and the convention centre - whats with the windows? all along are these weird tape markings? are they to pinpoint problems or a new weird language?

and a broken one!

and these for lease posters have popped up on the retail spaces... for the convention centre

WaxItYourself · #**3923** Posted **Jul 17, 2009, 8:55 AM**

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Originally Posted by The Blackbird

Delirium ... I'm glad you like my photos and that you provided a link to each one on Flickr, but it would be nice if you would respect international copyright law, the all rights reserved mark on each page you lifted my shots off, the warning on my Flickr profile page and basic human courtesy by requesting permission to use them.

It always amazes me how people who would never think of walking into a Safeway, grabbing a few groceries and walking out of the store without paying think nothing of stealing copyrighted property.This morning, someone in the UK blogged one of my shots in a story about how people can better protect thenselves from theft!!!

Who are you people?

If you don't want people to steal your photos then you should either contact flickr or start your own website. There are ways that can make the photos only available for viewing from your own website while still being opened to the public.

The Blackbird · #**3924** Posted **Jul 17, 2009, 9:02 AM**

Those who expressed annoyance with my request to have my photos removed from this thread have no respect for the law. And that whole "It's the Internet, stupid" line of thought reveals a complete lack of respect for the freedoms so many Canadian died in defense of during World War II.

Sure anyone could have taken those photos, but I took the time out of my day to shoot them, edit them and bring them to you on Flickr and you apparently enjoyed them once they turned up here, even the "semi-homosexual" ones (something that hadn't entered my thoughts until you'd mentioned it), until I demanded their removal. I make part of my living through photography which means I rely strongly on the copyright law to guard my livelihood. It's key to my success in the business. Clearly, you fail to appreciate this.

There are other reasons why I decided not to post the photos. They concern aspects of the gentrification of the Downtown Eastside which concern its residents. Given the comments which preceded the removal of my shots, I felt a distinct lack of understanding on the part of those who left them. But you're all normal people who live in BC, the greatest place on earth where for six years running we've had the worst child poverty rate in the country while being one of only two "have" provinces. I wouldn't have expected different.

Yume-sama, for your benefit, I make all sizes available to everyone because I've been told many times that the large sizes are often awesome to view. I want people to enjoy my work, but if they want to use it for some other purpose I count on their showing respect for the law. I allow some to use my photos without asking, but I have developed a relationship with them and trust their judgement. I don't set myself up for persecution as you suggest. Rather, I hold the optimistic view that people can for the most part be trusted to abide by copyright law. I receive many requests each week from people all over the world who want to use my photos for one purpose or another. Sometimes I will charge a fee, sometime I won't. But the choice is mine. I own this creation. There are a thousand reasons people might have for wanting to use it than sharing it with a few others on a board about construction. They can be used in textbooks, magazines, government websites, in documentary films. So, I hate to burst your bubble but I didn't create these exclusively for your viewing pleasure.

I apologize to jlousa for what this has become. He treated me with respect and pointed out that this group's own rules indicate contact must be made with the copyright holder of material used here. This didn't happen in my case. You're all acting pissy toward me when you should be asking your buddy why he didn't ask first. Sorry, Jlousa

Have a nice night, folks.

SpongeG · #**3925** Posted **Jul 17, 2009, 9:22 AM**

no ones losing or paying any money to put em here

The Blackbird · #**3926** Posted **Jul 17, 2009, 9:25 AM**

Everyone loses when the law is broken.

SpongeG · #**3927** Posted **Jul 17, 2009, 9:27 AM**

what laws?

seriously i am not being stupid

The Blackbird · #**3928** Posted **Jul 17, 2009, 9:33 AM**

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Originally Posted by Metro-One

It is only truly considered theft if someone else makes money off of another's copyrighted image. Such as if they pose it as their own and sell it to a magazine. Otherwise, if a link is posted and a photographer credited it is pretty much fare game. If anything it is free advertisement.

Are you making this up as you go along? Read the law. The "all" in all rights reserved is there for a reason. The person who posted my shots on this board broke the law when he downloaded my shot. He's not allowed to store it, reproduce it or use it, privately or publicly, for any purpose without my written permission. Go to Chapters. I'm sure they'll have a copy of Copyright for Dummies, if such a book exists. If you bring a shopping bag and a coat, maybe you can steal it and make up your own version of our laws against theft to justify that.

vanman · #**3929** Posted **Jul 17, 2009, 11:36 AM**

Dude seriously, stop whining. Why don't you just stop posting your pics on flickr if you feel so emotionally attached to them instead of trying to self police the internet.

giallo · #**3930** Posted **Jul 17, 2009, 11:47 AM**

As someone who also makes his living almost exclusively from photography, I've gotta agree..... not with Blackbird.
Honestly man, you can claim copyright laws all you want, but it's not going to change much unless the person actually sells your photo or uses it to make money in a publication or gallery. You should feel flattered if anything.
I have countless people linking my photos, but rather than whine and complain, I put my name across it. This helps me in two ways; 1. The person who copied the image can't use it because my name is on it and 2. It gives others who come across the image online my name. A simple google will link them to hundreds of other photos mine via flickr, urbanphoto.net etc.

It's not the 20th century anymore. Embrace technology and the FREE website your pictures are being posted on.

Delirium · #**3931** Posted **Jul 17, 2009, 12:30 PM**

^ now there's someone with a head!

all this discussion over pictures of a freakin SIDEWALK under construction! hilarious.

BIRD. I didn't steal your pictures nor did I save them to my computer. I simply linked them to this forum. CHILL OUT. In case you didn't notice, this is a 'Project & constructions' thread. We couldn't care less who took the pictures but rather the subject matter.

Anyway, you can go away now and continue to stir in your negativity and how the world is rapping you and everything you have.

and no worries, I definitely won't be visiting your photo page again.

quobobo · #**3932** Posted **Jul 17, 2009, 2:11 PM**

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Originally Posted by The Blackbird

Those who expressed annoyance with my request to have my photos removed from this thread have no respect for the law. And that whole "It's the Internet, stupid" line of thought reveals a complete lack of respect for the freedoms so many Canadian died in defense of during World War II.

I almost wet myself laughing at this. "How dare you!? Our predecessors fought the Nazis so that I could be notified when someone wants to look at a photo I posted online".

I have relatives who did fight in WWII, and if I was as uptight as you I might be offended that someone would use their sacrifice to argue something so... trivial.

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Sure anyone could have taken those photos, but I took the time out of my day to shoot them, edit them and bring them to you on Flickr and you apparently enjoyed them once they turned up here, even the "semi-homosexual" ones (something that hadn't entered my thoughts until you'd mentioned it), until I demanded their removal. I make part of my living through photography which means I rely strongly on the copyright law to guard my livelihood. It's key to my success in the business. Clearly, you fail to appreciate this.

Well, this just proves it - photography really is for jerkoffs

shaners · #**3933** Posted **Jul 17, 2009, 2:51 PM**

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Originally Posted by entheosfog

As long as my photos are properly linked and credited, I never have a problem with other people posting my pics as long as they're not trying to make money off my hard work. It just draws more attention to my flickr site anyway. I mean, it's posted on a public flickr site on the internet.

Equating that with stealing from a store is apples to oranges, it really is, don't kid yourself.

And we're all normal people from many walks of life. Who the hell are you?

well put! isn't that the whole idea of putting images on the internet anyways?

mr.x · #**3934** Posted **Jul 17, 2009, 3:07 PM**

Yea...I do see Blackbird's point, and as a gay guy myself I don't see why it was necessary for that gay remark hollywoodnorth. Those were his pictures, and he should be able to criticize those who use them without credit.

But blackbird, keep in mind that we merely discuss the topic at hand in the pictures....it wasn't as if anyone here was going to use them for commercial use. So please, calm down. It is the internet afterall.

As much as I love delirium's posts, he has always made note that photos he posted were not his and were from Flickr. I find it far too time consuming as well, but perhaps a link should be provided too?

However, Blackbird's leftist Downtown Eastsider activist views is something i'll have to quite strongly disagree with.

Spork · #**3935** Posted **Jul 17, 2009, 3:25 PM**

The use in this situation is not copying, it is hotlinking. It is like setting up a camera in a book store focused on the cover of a book. Sure you can see the book through the camera, but it is not being reproduced in any meaningful way. Further, we have no interest in the artistic composure of the photo, but rather similarly, being able to see an area where we do not travel to all that frequently in order to see what is happening there. For all I care, somebody could have sketched out in paint what was happening on the street, and I don't think that we would perceive a huge difference in value.

hrhsheba · #**3936** Posted **Jul 17, 2009, 3:34 PM**

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Originally Posted by Delirium

in general, i think our streets are in pretty good shape. i don't know if every street needs a special treatment but i do agree that it would be great to see more of this type of detail.

i like the leaf imprints you see in the sidewalks around yaletown. that's kinda neat.

try walking on them in stilettos - you wouldn't find them so neat!

The Blackbird · #**3937** Posted **Jul 17, 2009, 3:36 PM**

I have several relatives, deceased and living, who also fought in WWII. They fought for the free society we enjoy today. Today, here at home, we can enjoy that freedom or we can take advantage of it. We enjoy it when we use our freedom wisely and respect the right of others to do the same. My point is, when laws are broken - even laws which protect photos of a sidewalk from being used without permission - that freedom is slightly diminished.

May I suggest to everyone here that many photos by many photographers have a Creative Commons license attached to them. This means the photographer has given advance agreement for others to use, alter, sell their photos without having to ask permission from the creator. It's a good place for people like yourself who enjoy using photos but who don't want to buy a decent camera, learn how to use it, actually use it, do the post-processing, upload them to the Internet, etc.

WarrenC12 · #**3938** Posted **Jul 17, 2009, 3:39 PM**

Holy 🞵🞵🞵🞵. Welcome to the internet, deal with it.

To get back on topic, good post about the jail, bring it to the criminals.

What ever happened to that jail anyway, I thought there was a holding centre below the cop shop on Main that opened like 20 years ago?

SpongeG · #**3939** Posted **Jul 17, 2009, 4:24 PM**

no one commented on my photos

flight_from_kamakura · #**3940** Posted **Jul 17, 2009, 4:34 PM**

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Originally Posted by The Blackbird

Everyone loses when the law is broken.

wow, dude, this is approaching maniacal. your images were posted on a website for development enthusiasts ≠ theft. but then, if you're feeling so passionate about it (which, for some highly strange reason, you seem to be) why contact not the appropriate authorities?

VPD NON-EMERGENCY CALLS 604-717-3321

seriously, call the cops on this criminal enterprise! bring us before a judge! hahahaha.

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Originally Posted by SpongeG

infill on Davie...

nice pics, where is this one exactly?