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Old Posted Jul 14, 2009, 9:19 PM
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But from a marketing and governance perspective, wouldn't a corporation that works in the real estate industry want to illustrate both to its investors, tenants, etc. and the general community that the company holds itself to an industry standard (even if the company may not be a wholesale believer in the standard)?

In this day and age, I would have guessed that firms such as yours would want to appear to be fully invested in such an endeavour.
It really depends on the tenant, as the costs for such an endeavor need to passed down to someone. Governments and public institutions seem to be the first ones ones jumping on this, other companies like Encana don't appear to see the value in a LEED certified building.

And believe me, there is no such thing as a LEED 'equivalent' without the corresponding documentation and testing.
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no - a shadow check list ends up at l**d gold (respecting the (r) and protecting the brand by not associating it with "shadow" )with the natural lighting and geothermal etc. but being owner occupied the certification didn't warrant either the additional cost or the additional time...

But from a marketing and governance perspective, wouldn't a corporation that works in the real estate industry want to illustrate both to its investors, tenants, etc. and the general community that the company holds itself to an industry standard (even if the company may not be a wholesale believer in the standard)?

In this day and age, I would have guessed that firms such as yours would want to appear to be fully invested in such an endeavour.
i suppose what you are describing is the difference between "being green" and "greenwashing". if you are the first, you don't need the second. and embracing the second won't make up for not being the first.

what will "matter" long-term will be the performance of the building, not a certification that may or may not remain valid. the objective behind "certification" is not to secure certifications, but to promote the use of cost-effective energy-efficient building practices and technologies. and this building does that as well as it looks.
     
     
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Choosing green building certification

Is a good article.

What I have found with LEED. We address the short term with regard to the construction and warrantee. We don't really address the long-term, 5 or more years down the road. The operation of the facility after we have the certification and all the consultants have moved on to other projects.

And with government cutbacks, which are coming, we will see similar problems as the Klein cuts. LEED will not be a consideration to the operators.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 14, 2009, 10:59 PM
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So I've just visted emporis.com for the first time in... many months.. and it would appear that "proposed" buildings are no longer for the viewing public?

Yup I noticed that a while ago, oh well I find a lot of their site a bit outdated at times.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 14, 2009, 11:04 PM
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did you need an independent engineer's verification of the design of that little honda of yours before you were prepared to buy it or did you know exactly how it was supposed to perform with or without that "third party verification"? and i'm talking about a design review and subsequent performance evaluation and verification of that design prior to your buying it, not a mechanics inspection of its condition at the time. didn't think so.
pre-sale - i had a 3rd party review, that being other owners of similar 'certified' models

post-sale

actually, i have had 3rd parties verify my 'design intent' by means of dynamometer, dynamic temperature measuring, air fuel mixtures etc.

sure i had targets and yes i could verify most of them, but this gave me confidence i have met them and the ability to show others it is what it was designed to be without taking my word for it...

but to each their own and i will stand by my 700hp 2.0L car
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As someone who was anti-ECCA, I must admit to feeling a little shame over the buzz that comes from seeing a Sabre(!?!) zipping over downtown.
     
     
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pre-sale - i had a 3rd party review, that being other owners of similar 'certified' models

post-sale

actually, i have had 3rd parties verify my 'design intent' by means of dynamometer, dynamic temperature measuring, air fuel mixtures etc.

sure i had targets and yes i could verify most of them, but this gave me confidence i have met them and the ability to show others it is what it was designed to be without taking my word for it...

but to each their own and i will stand by my 700hp 2.0L car
so relied on the experience of other owners and their experience using the product, not the manufacturer's design intent and certification, to make your purchase.

and you didn't 3rd party certify the design intent of your mods afterwards - you did what you felt was right and then tested it. and let the test results speak for themselves, not a certification and review process. which is exactly what i said we were comfortable with.

you will stand by your car and we will happily stand by our building on exactly the same basis - their performance in the real world.
     
     
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^i had a design intent and verified it prior to, during, and after.

sorry Ken, and i do honestly applaud your building, but 3rd parties such as the CAGBC are there to not only educate and promote but to establish certain criteria that ALL developments can be put up against and while this is no where near perfect, it is like an SAT and allows all to be measured against the same standard.

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Noticed that Icon II is stalled at 30/31 but curtain wall is still progressing....
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^i had a design intent and verified it prior to, during, and after.

sorry Ken, and i do honestly applaud your building, but 3rd parties such as the CAGBC are there to not only educate and promote but to establish certain criteria that ALL developments can be put up against and while this is no where near perfect, it is like an SAT and allows all to be measured against the same standard.

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so what 3rd party independent standards - such as the cagbc - and outside verification consultants did you use prior to, during, and after?
     
     
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Two new coffee cafes provide great rush

Fresh beans, live music, a friendly atmosphere--I believe I am smitten

BY SCOTT MCKEEN, EDMONTON JOURNALJULY 15, 2009


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Phil Greet, owner of Axis cafe on Jasper Ave., makes a terrific Americano. Axis is open from 7 a. m. to 5 p. m. Monday to thursday; 7 a. m. to midnight Friday; 8 a. m. to midnight saturday; closed sunday.
Photograph by: Shaughn Butts, The Journal, Edmonton Journal
I love coffee and I like to drink it every day and today I drank a lot of coffee because I'm writing about coffee and you need to sample lots of coffee and then you get, like, a caffeine rush and lots of energy and you can't sit still and you talk fast and yet you're supposed to sit down and write a column about coffee so I better do that right now.

OK, so there are these two new coffee shops downtown but you don't call them coffee shops anymore because they're cafes or espresso bars and they serve really good coffee--I should know because I just drank a gallon of it--and the name of these two new ones are Credo and Axis.

Credo is on the 104th Street just south of Sobeys in the first Icon tower and it's hip and cool and the owner Geoff Linden is married to Joanne and he's a total coffee nerd who dreamed for years of opening his own cafe even though he was in the machinist trade and boy does he make a great cafe Americano that has a dark and creamy froth on the top and I had one after I had some other coffee.

Then I went over to meet Phil Greet who is married to Linda Beth and they opened Axis on Jasper Avenue and his Cafe Americano is also great and there's local art on the wall at Axis, too, and a garage-style door that opens the place up to the sidewalk at 10349 Jasper Avenue and they use a Vancouver coffee roaster called Milano.

Could you excuse me because I've got to jog to Sherwood Park and back? (Roughly 10 minutes pass).

OK, I'm back.

Let's return to Credo, which is located on downtown's hippest stroll, 104th Street. The new cafe, first off, is totally euro with its clean lines, vaulted ceiling and open, uncluttered space.

Geoff Linden takes his coffee very seriously. He researched roasters and came up with one that tours coffee farms to ensure high quality and fair trade.

Fresh beans are delivered weekly to Credo to preserve freshness. Every cup, be it espresso based or brewed, is prepared individually. Every cafe latte comes with a leaf pattern poured into the foam. The coffee is rich and delicious. Linden can tell you which ones have notes of chocolate, or citrus.

Axis is a stone's throw away, on Jasper Avenue. Phil Greet isn't quite as much of a coffee geek. He and his wife were motivated more by a philosophy of creating a place for people to connect--a living room for the community.

People are naturally drawn to places where they can socialize over a drink, be it wine, beer, tea or coffee. Axis offers all of the above, including Rooibos-tea-based "red" cappuccino.

Axis also includes a lofted boardroom, available to community groups by the hour. Downstairs is the listening room, where local musicians play evenings on weekends.

Greet even reached out to connect with other businesses in the area. One 104th Street business, C'est Sera, makes use of the Axis boardroom on occasion.

In return, Kelly from C'est Sera comes in to help serve at Axis on Fridays.

Back at Credo, Linden explains how temperature is critical for making the perfect cup of coffee. If milk is steamed to the right temperature, he says, the fats convert to sugars. Heat milk too much, though, and it scalds.

"We're not coffee Nazis, but it's our job to serve the best we can," says Linden.

It will take their best for Credo and Axis to survive against the giants in the coffee world. Starbucks, Second Cup and Tim Hortons are niche killers.

But Greet thinks people are growing bored with the contrived and replicated culture. They crave unique, local experiences.

"Quantity tends to lose out to quality," he says.

I pray he's right. Credo and Axis are completely unique. There's no other place exactly like them in the world.

Yes, they're more expensive than Tims. But they 'feel' special, like a vibrant local painting come to life.

And the coffee is far superior. Quite a kick to it, in fact.

Now if you'll excuse me, I need a nap.

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09-Jul-2009
10820 - 100 AVENUE NW
Plan NB Blk 8 Lot 31
10820 - 100 AVENUE NW
Plan NB Blk 8 Lot 32
10820 - 100 AVENUE NW
Plan NB Blk 8 Lot 33
10820 - 100 AVENUE NW
Plan NB Blk 8 Lot 34
To change the use from an office
to a specialty food service (Corona
Coffee Station on main floor of
Peace Hills Trust Building) and to
construct interior alterations.


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10534 - 100 STREET NW
Plan EF Lots 137-138
To change use (office to
residential) and construct interior
and exterior alterations for a
44-unit shelter building
[with exterior fire escape/elevator
enclosures, roof-top patio;
temporary lodging facility:
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^i am very much looking forward to Immigration Hall's reno.
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Neat article on 104st and area, but Credo is NORTH of Sobeys ... and Axis has been around for a tiny bit already, they make it seem like it just opened. Overall great though, I hope we get retail in ICON II, not just restaurants/services.
     
     
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^ Yeah, but what 104th neeeeeeeds is a quality restaurant that stays open past 6. Patio, Patio, Patio, Patio, Patio is the word!

I saw blue plate's "patio" this weekend, and with that large of a sidewalk.. you'd think that they could get permission to extend onto the sidewalk..
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^larger would be nice but smaller ones work well as per blue plate and T'zin.

Bistro Praha will have one i am sure and i'd bet Credo opens one as well.

I would still like to see a good pub on 104st.
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hi Edmonton, some of this please

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/\/\ And we really need to push it past 102av...
     
     
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/\/\ And we really need to push it past 102av...
while i am not a huge fan of outdoor sushi, Japanese Village actually has a large patio on 104st that is so underused.

during the markets it can be busier but that is about it.

we truly need the urbia site developed before 104st becomes anything more.
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^along with the east side of 104st between 102-103 with the existing buildings to convert to retail...but yes the urbia lot will be a great kickstart for that!
     
     
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