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Old Posted Jul 10, 2009, 5:57 AM
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Old Posted Jul 10, 2009, 7:40 AM
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I'm just curious ... what makes ya stay in Edmonton then if Vancouver is great as it is? What do we have over them do you think? I'm not disagreeing or agreeing with what your saying Im just wondering.
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Well not just that. Vancouver is great, and I love coming down here, but I just can't see myself moving back in the foreseeable future. The great thing about not living in Van and coming down to visit for the odd holiday is you get to experience the city without having to deal with it day to day. I left Van because of the gloomy winters, long commutes and high prices. THose are just the side effects of this city, not the defining charateristics.

Edmonton does have a lot of unique features that make it really great, and we've got pockets that emulate Vancouver in a lot of ways. However, after a night of bar hopping down Broadway, I can see that Edmonton has the same ammenities as Van, just on a much smaller scale. (Same goes for Calgary. The differences between Van & Cal and Van & Edmonton are virtually identical)

Having said that, by the end of the weekend, when I fly back home, jump in thr truck and drive back into the city I will be glad to be back in Edmonton.
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Old Posted Jul 10, 2009, 7:59 AM
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I'll also say that after taking a bit of a tour of Yaletown, I'm becoming increasingly dissapointed with the new condo tower area of the district.

Yes, lots of curtain wall and swoopy lines, but the sea of towers is becoming a little tacky, and the walkability of the new portion, especially as they build out towards the Imax is getting worse.

The old warehouse area of Yaletown simply rocks, though.
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NAIT plan to use land decades away

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Friday, July 10, 2009

City council's vote to close the City Centre Airport has suddenly opened up a world of expansion possibilities for NAIT, but the school may have no use for the land for 20 to 50 years.

"That's the time frame you need to be thinking about," NAIT president Sam Shaw said Thursday.

"When you start looking at MIT or Cal Tech or Georgia Tech, their visions are 20 to 40 to 50 years and they have the land acquired to allow them to grow into the future.

"With the decision by city council, that allows us the opportunity to grow over the next 50 or whatever number of years."

While the soon-to-be available land may be raising excitement, Advanced Education and Technology Minister Doug Horner said his department has no plans to construct any buildings.

He said the provincial government hands out project funding based on where the greatest needs and demands are, and right now that doesn't include a huge campus expansion for NAIT.

As such, he suggested city councillors were mistaken if their vote to shut down the airport was based, in part, on a belief NAIT would soon be ready to move onto the site.

"Using that as an excuse or reason to close the airport, I'd have to wonder about that," Horner said.

"There has been no indication from this department or this minister that if the airport was to close tomorrow, we'd start planning NAIT's expansion the day after. That's not happening. The city making a decision to close does not do anything to change our planning process."

Councillors voted Wednesday to shut the City Centre Airport in stages, starting with runway 16-34, which lies just west of NAIT's main campus. As part of the decision, they ordered negotiations begin immediately with the institute about occupying the freed space.

But Shaw said his school's first priority is to build a new centre for applied technologies on land it already owns on main campus. That proposed facility--slated to house programs in business, health sciences and engineering technology --will take care of an immediate space crunch caused by heavy student demand.

Long term, however, the school needs to consolidate its operations, he said.

The institute is currently spread out across 12 facilities.

"If we can shrink down to one, then you are economizing."

A few years ago, NAIT unveiled plans for a massive $517-million Ralph Klein Campus on the city's southern edge that was touted to be the future home of many of the school's heavy trades programs.

The project has since been pushed to the back burner, and Shaw said NAIT will now start talking to the province about eventually using those plans for the airport lands. The proposal includes a number of new academic buildings, labs and residences.

Consolidating the institute's operations on one site makes sense for a number of reasons, especially since the city plans to build a new LRT line to main campus, said Geoff Tate, president of the NAIT Students' Association.

One "super-campus" would remove the need for the institute to have multiple libraries, student service offices and athletic facilities, he said.

Furthermore, he said many of the current facilities on the main campus are aging and in need of costly maintenance.

Having expansion room gives the school an opportunity to reduce those costs by constructing more efficient buildings.

Student housing should be part of any future development, and the school might consider creating a kind of "research park" that would involve collaborations between academics and entrepreneurs, Tate said.

"There are infinite hopes and finite resources, and our needs have to be balanced with those of the University of Alberta, Grant MacEwan College and others," he said. "Our argument is that the Alberta economy is built on tradespeople and the demand for them keeps increasing.

"The dollars to back that also have to keep increasing if we want to keep the economy going."

However, Horner isn't sure it makes sense to start talking about moving the Ralph Klein Campus north to the airport. The entire project will likely have to be re-evaluated because what's needed today may not be needed 20 years from now, he said. "You may need a huge computer classroom instead of a huge shop."
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Old Posted Jul 10, 2009, 2:30 PM
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I'll also say that after taking a bit of a tour of Yaletown, I'm becoming increasingly dissapointed with the new condo tower area of the district.

Yes, lots of curtain wall and swoopy lines, but the sea of towers is becoming a little tacky, and the walkability of the new portion, especially as they build out towards the Imax is getting worse.

The old warehouse area of Yaletown simply rocks, though.
yaletown, other than hamilton st. is just so contrived and while i would kill for a few of those towers, the repetition makes the whole area so meh.

arbutus walk, gastown, commercial, south granville, or west end for me.
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Go to any other online newspaper and you'll find the same people making the same comments. It is NOT an indicator of what the majority believe.
I believe this wholeheartedly. I find that most people I talk to in Edmonton don't care about the City Center Airport one way or another. When a discussion about it does emerge and I start talking about how it forces height restrictions downtown, hems in NAIT, etc. The consensus seems to turn to "Then why don't they just close the stupid thing?"
     
     
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Exactly. People don't care because they don't know. Once they are enlightened most want to see it closed.
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Icon II - Update

- pouring 31
- curtain wall completed up to floor 8
- podium windows and brick started
- still underwhelming

at this rate, it should be topped out by Aug long
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great shot showing just how simple yet effective Uptown's design is... please, more of this and my god i wish TNP had done this 10 yrs ago

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Uptown's sort grown on me in looks - I see it out of my bedroom window every day. The podium could be better, but not a big deal to me anyways because the Uptown doesn't front onto Jasper Ave.
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really?

I would have to say, and hate to admit given my past hate for TNP, that it is the best of the bunch from the past 5yrs.
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Speaking of Uptown, my only complaint (other than no townhouses) is that the blandest side is the one facing Jasper. Presumably that's because the Page cleaning building may be replaced at some point, but that might be decades in the future.

They've taken a less-is-more approach to the rest of the exterior, and it's worked pretty well, but it would have been nice (and probably pretty cheap) for them to throw some colour or an angled section on the North elevation just to liven it up.

I guess I'm thinking that the EDC should be taking into account the appearance of the building from major routes (like the west elevation of the Icon's that's seen by everyone heading downtown from the west )
     
     
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Speaking of Uptown, my only complaint (other than no townhouses) is that the blandest side is the one facing Jasper. Presumably that's because the Page cleaning building may be replaced at some point, but that might be decades in the future.
And also that Jewish drop-in centre may be replaced, too as well (between Page drycleaners and Uptown). But decades away? Maybe, maybe not, especially if the economy improves and condo-building on a large scale gets underway once again.
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really?

I would have to say, and hate to admit given my past hate for TNP, that it is the best of the bunch from the past 5yrs.
Definately TNP's best product, I agree.

I call it "meh" because it appears it teeters on the side of absolute fail; but manages to pass off as decent infill.. fit's in nicely with Illuminada and Serenity in the area... Thank God TNP used the amount of glass they did. The north side is pretty bland though. What else can we expect though, it's infill; and likely will be overshadowed by a taller building on Jasper.. lets hope?

Nothing horrible, nothing spectacular, therefore I warrant an elongated meeehhhh
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Definately TNP's best product, I agree.

I call it "meh" because it appears it teeters on the side of absolute fail; but manages to pass off as decent infill.. fit's in nicely with Illuminada and Serenity in the area... Thank God TNP used the amount of glass they did. The north side is pretty bland though. What else can we expect though, it's infill; and likely will be overshadowed by a taller building on Jasper.. lets hope?

Nothing horrible, nothing spectacular, therefore I warrant an elongated meeehhhh
I know three owners in this building. Their units are nice. My impressions were that the fit and finish is better than the Icon (I know two owners in there). I love the floor to ceiling glass. I also know an owner in Illuminada. I thought the quality was quite similar.

However there are shady characters in the building. EPS tactical busted down the door of a unit on the fifth floor because they were selling drugs out of the unit.
     
     
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"However there are shady characters in the building. EPS tactical busted down the door of a unit on the fifth floor because they were selling drugs out of the unit."

can happen anywhere and i suspect most buildings have the same... mine did, a friend of mine's did... both 'upscale buildings'.
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240, very interesting, and yeah you're right about Van. I guess every city has ups and downs . But we have A LOT still going for us, I think we have a lot of untapped potential. Rossdale, Quarters, North Edge, now Muni, 124st, Alberta Ave, East Whyte, Strathcona Junction, Ft Rd, Stadium, etc. could all turn into amazing places in 5-25 yrs. Another thing to note is Van is two times our size though.

Re uptown: I have to agree completely with newfangled I think. Everything save the townhouses is amazing, except the wall facing Jasper Av. Could have been better. You really don't see what a gem it is until you turn the corner. But a pretty decent looking condominium, would look quite content in other cities, so that's a positive thing .
     
     
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They 'may' try, however, you can bet that the City's solicitors were front and centre when advising Council on the legality of certain decisions / amendments. I am not too worried about this.
Still figure they'll try.

And to comment on some of the commentary above, This City has come along way from past years, we survived the Jan Reimer years. And Canterina is the new Ed Ledger, for those who were around then.
     
     
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