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Old Posted Jun 26, 2009, 8:48 PM
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Love the new control tower! I wonder what kind of external lighting they'll incorporate (if any).

On another note, does Edmonton still have an airshow? If so, when is it? Is there a website?

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Old Posted Jun 26, 2009, 9:04 PM
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Not in the last few years, There is a small event at CCA (I think this weekend) unless the F18 thats doing Touch and Goes is lost.

There is one in Ponoka and Cold Lake though.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 26, 2009, 10:02 PM
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^i was outside on a site tour when it decided to do a flyby at around 200'
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Old Posted Jun 26, 2009, 11:44 PM
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when the terminal was originally built in 59, the observation area was outside, open air, on the roof, I believe(I could stand to be corrected).
actually probably not in 59, because I believe although the airport was in operation, the terminal was not finished (they used the SPAR hanger as the main terminal) - but when the terminal was complete, im pretty sure the observation deck was outside on the roof.
I certainly remember the two penthouses atop the roof in the original terminal. (then one - then none)
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How soon could construction of the new tower get started if the study should favour it?
Quite soon my friend, there are plans in the works as we speak.
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Old Posted Jun 28, 2009, 3:39 AM
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That new tower design looks like a NASA shuttle launch site!
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 28, 2009, 4:48 AM
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2 posts on Airliners appears to indicate AC as cancelled the MBJ flight from YEG.

http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums...4422225&searchid=4429090&s=YEG#ID4429090

Quoting JM079 (Reply 79):
Air Canada has updated there winter schedule and will provide flights to MBJ from the following cities.

YYZ - MBJ (daily)
YYC - MBJ (mon)
YVR - MBJ (fri)
YWG- MBJ (sat)
YUL- MBJ (sat/sun)
YOW - MBJ (sat)

Skyservice will now also fly this route this winter in co-operation with sunquest vacations using a B 757-200.So that should cover the AC drop of the route with both TS and 5G flying this winter from YEG.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 28, 2009, 3:10 PM
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Thanks Air Canada.

I knew I can count on you.with regards to providing southern sun service to YEG.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 28, 2009, 3:21 PM
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when the terminal was originally built in 59, the observation area was outside, open air, on the roof, I believe(I could stand to be corrected).
actually probably not in 59, because I believe although the airport was in operation, the terminal was not finished (they used the SPAR hanger as the main terminal) - but when the terminal was complete, im pretty sure the observation deck was outside on the roof.
I certainly remember the two penthouses atop the roof in the original terminal. (then one - then none)
Yes, but in later years they closed off access to the roof top patio, leaving just a small indoor viewing area.
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Old Posted Jun 29, 2009, 2:50 AM
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Skyservice will now also fly this route this winter in co-operation with sunquest vacations using a B 757-200.So that should cover the AC drop of the route with both TS and 5G flying this winter from YEG.
Thanks Tuffy - that IS great news. I see that SW on their drop down menu shows YEG to Run a Way Bay (Jamaica I assume)...but their winter schedule does not appears up yet??
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 2, 2009, 4:57 PM
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This article is more than a week old, but I read through it and I think it makes some good points. I know the CCA debate is old hat, but its a slow day for me and I thought this made for some good reading.

Muni is not 'my' airport
Campaign an attempt to get taxpayers to foot bill for private interests
By Lorne Gunter, [email protected]ne 21, 2009

"Airport Not For Sale" is the message on the indignant placards that are springing up on private lawns and public boulevards around the city in an effort to pressure council into not selling the City Centre Airport for commercial and residential redevelopment.

"Save Your Airport," the signs add. "Fight for Flight."

Pardon me. Save whose airport? "Your Airport," the signs proclaim, meaning yours and mine.

Sorry, but I fly in and out of Edmonton a dozen or more times each year. And I have not taken a flight from "the Muni" in 20 years.

No, wait, that's wrong. The department of National Defence once flew me and a bunch of other journalists up to Cold Lake to watch jet fighter training exercises and we left from City Centre. So once in 200 or more flights, I have flown out of that airport.

If by "Your Airport," the organizers of the sneering "Airport Not For Sale" campaign mean "My Airport," then they are mistaken. My airport is Edmonton International.

I may not like the fact that I have to drive so far south of the city to reach "My Airport," although since the Anthony Henday opened the drive is now about five minutes shorter.

I may wish scheduled passenger flights were still operating out of the downtown airport. Certainly those people who work downtown and fly back and forth to Calgary wish it.

But the fact remains, the voters of this city decided by plebiscite more than two decades ago to make Edmonton International "Our Airport." Too much work and momentum has

gone into diverting air business to the North Leduc location to go back now. It's time city council finished the process by turning the land our other airport sits on into housing for nearly 25,000 people.

Those who want City Centre kept open are really just demanding that the rest of Edmontonians subsidize their desired outcome.

They want the airport to survive, but they don't want to pay its full annual operating costs themselves and they don't want to make up to ratepayers the property tax reduction we would enjoy if the land were sold to developers, to say nothing of the loss of an exciting new development in the city core.

On Thursday, the City released consultants' reports that show the profit from sale of the airport would net between $91 million and $335 million.

While this is down from projections of $486 million a year ago, it is still a sizable chunk of change, enough in the best-case scenario to lower property taxes by two per cent or more a year for 35 years.

It would also end the annual operating losses at the Muni-estimated at over $1 million a year-that users of the regions' other airports must cover in higher landing taxes and airfares.

It's not much, admittedly. But I don't see the supporters of City Centre clamouring to pay extra out of their own pockets to cover the real annual costs of their airport choice.

If the effort to save the airport was more than a selfish, self-interested endeavour, the organizers' slogan would be: "Sell Us the Airport."

If the Kingsway Business Association and the Edmonton Enterprise Group and others want the airport kept open, let them buy and operate it as a private airport. If they are so sure a second airport in a city of one million is such a viable enterprise, let them take the risk to own and run it.

But, of course, if they had to pay $483 million for it or $335 million or even just$91 million, they would never do it. So their demand boils down to insisting that you and I pay for their vision for them by leaving the airport as is and for the next three-and-a-half decades paying higher municipal taxes than we would have to.

No thanks. The airport savers should also stop trying to argue that the use of the 217-hectare site as an airport generates anywhere near the economic activity that would be generated were the field converted into a residential community for nearly 25,000 with a transportation hub, an expanded campus for NAIT and shops, restaurants, parks and offices. The reason airports are built on marginal land on the fringes of cities -as City Centre was when it opened 80 years ago-is that their low-intensity activities (relative to commercial and residential uses)make airports uneconomical in city centres where land prices are at a premium.

What's more, the medevac argument is a canard. Of the 87,000 takeoffs and landings at the airport last year, just three per cent were medevac flights and fewer than 400 of those (less than one-half of one per cent)were flights with critical patients. If fixed-wing medevac flights were impossible after City Centre closed, those 400 would not die. Rather, their rescues would most likely be switched to helicopters that land directly at hospitals.

There may be a lot of arguments for keeping City Centre an airport, but none of them is convincing.

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Old Posted Jul 2, 2009, 7:15 PM
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when the terminal was originally built in 59, the observation area was outside, open air, on the roof, I believe(I could stand to be corrected).
actually probably not in 59, because I believe although the airport was in operation, the terminal was not finished (they used the SPAR hanger as the main terminal) - but when the terminal was complete, im pretty sure the observation deck was outside on the roof.
I certainly remember the two penthouses atop the roof in the original terminal. (then one - then none)
The north observation "penthouse" is still there. You can still get to it. A sign says it is closed, but the stairs are open and last time I was there, you could still go up to it. Not sure why it says closed as it's a nice quiet area to relax.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 2, 2009, 7:29 PM
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I find the "keep th emuni" open debate interesting. Obviously, there are a lot of short-sighted people out there and people with very short memories.

When I lived in Edmonton, it had two airports - CYXD and CYEG. At that time, Pacific Western Airlines operated the Airbus service - 737-200s departing as frequently as every 20 minutes in the peak (and at least every hour in the day) to Calgary International Airport (CYYC). They also operated flights to other provinces out of CYXD going as far as Winnipeg and Vancouver. A rule that flights leaving CYXD could only travel so far was overcome by having the plane land at CYYC enroute, thus providing a single seat ride from CYXD to CYVR (for example).

The Airbus was aimed at the business traveller going between Calgary and Edmonton. The airlines quickly realised that they could save money by funnelling Edmonton traffic to CYYC and then only flying one 747 to Europe, instead of one from each airport.

A further problem occurred when most northern airlines started flying into CYXD. A connection in Edmonton meant a taxi ride to CYEG to contineu on to the US or Toronto or Europe. Most northern flights continued to CYYC anyway.

Air Canada got into the act and started flying DC-9s out of CYXD to CYYC - though these planes were not suited for the short take-off field at CYXD.

The result was that Edmonton's two airports made Edmonton a poor choice for transferring passengers; it provided an easy way to funnel traffic from Edmonton to Calgary; and it helped to reduce the traffic numbers at CYEG resulting is less Federal investment in terminals and infrastructure; and helped CYYC raise as the main airport in Alberta,

The muni, while oh historical importance, has indirectly contributed to holding Edmonton back in development. Not only in air services, but also in commerical and residential construction. The height limit downtown is because of CYXD. When 737s were flying - the noise was a big factor, with a jet aircraft landing or taking off up to three times an hour over a very built up city.

There is so much that can be done with the airport lands that could be a showcase in high-density sustainable development. Start with a World's Fair on the site (or part of it), master plan the development with parks, commercial residential, institutional, new roads and LRT, bikes roads and pedestrian paths and develop it to top LEED neighbourhood standards. It could be Edmonton's False Creek - the choice address in alberta - funky and fun. And don't forget, commemorate the original Blatchford Field - maybe keep the air terminal as a museum or public facility. Aircraft oriented parks. Name the roads using aeronautical terms, etc.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 4, 2009, 3:48 AM
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^ accurate and nicely said.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 4, 2009, 4:21 AM
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^ accurate and nicely said.
Thanks. I have to say that I love airports and aeroplanes. I've spent many an hour watching the planes taking off and landing at CYXD, and the experience landing in a 737 on Runway 30 coming in low over the Royal Alex and Kingsway Mall, feeling like the plane will land on the roof of the mall, was a highlight for me. I flew the Airbus a few times and I always preferred the Runway 30 approach from sheer excitement.

Still, I think it's time has past as a useful addition to the Edmonton aeronautical scene.

Here's a 2005 article about the history of Blatchford Field (aka Edmonton Municipal Airport, aka Edmonton City Centre Airport, CYXD)

http://www.rewedmonton.ca/content_view2?CONTENT_ID=890
     
     
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Still, I think it's time has past as a useful addition to the Edmonton aeronautical scene.

Unfortunately its time passed 30 years ago and the damage has already been done. sigh. Still, better late than never.
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some good news!

Edmonton gets year-round WestJet service to Yellowknife


BY BILL MAH, EDMONTONJOURNAL.COMJULY 8, 2009 3:12 PMBE THE FIRST TO POST A COMMENT


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Edmonton will get year-round service to Yellowknife, WestJet Airlines announced Wednesday as part of what it described as the largest single-season expansion in the company’s history with the addition of eight new international destinations and three new U.S. destinations for the winter of 2009-2010.
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EDMONTON — Edmonton will get year-round service to Yellowknife, WestJet Airlines announced Wednesday as part of what it described as the largest single-season expansion in the company’s history with the addition of eight new international destinations and three new U.S. destinations for the winter of 2009-2010.

The Edmonton-Yellowknife flights were launched in May but on a seasonal basis.

“We’re just announcing today as part of the winter schedule that we are doing it year-round,” said WestJet spokesman Robert Palmer.

By late fall, the company said in a statement, the discount carrier will provide service to 66 cities in more than 10 countries, as compared with 51 cities in eight countries one year ago.

The new destinations to be served by WestJet and WestJet Vacations are Varadero, Holguin and Cayo Coco in Cuba; Ixtapa and Cozumel, in Mexico; St. Martin; Providenciales, of the Turks and Caicos Islands; Freeport, in the Bahamas; Lihue (Kauai), in Hawaii; Miami, Fla; and Atlantic City, J.J.

“This is part of a strategic plan by WestJet to increase profitable market share in the transborder and international markets,” Palmer said. “This represents a 45-per-cent increase in transborder and international capacity. The increase is because of the delivery of seven new aircraft year-over-year as well as the growth in popularity of our vacation arm WestJet Vacations.”

Although Edmonton gets only the new year-round Yellowhead service under the expansion, Palmer said the airline increased the frequency of service from Edmonton to Cancun to three times a week from once weekly as of Nov. 1.

Edmonton to Los Angeles goes to daily from four times a week. Edmonton to Palm Springs goes to daily from three times a week in November.

The new schedule also includes new, year-round flights between Calgary and San Diego, Calif. The service was launched on a seasonal basis in May.

With files from Canwest News Service

© Copyright (c) The Edmonton Journal

http://www.edmontonjournal.com/news/WestJet+adds+year+round+service+Yellowknife/1771887/story.html
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As much as I like the extra flights this will drastically effect CN and FA. Any one heading past YK will either pay more or possibly loose the services of at least one of the regionals.

If WJ can work on a code share with CA or FA that could help.

I'll stick with FA for now. I like some of the extras if I have to go to Rankin or Resolute.
     
     
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Edmonton gets year-round WestJet service to Yellowknife
Wouldn't you rather have an airport that's a gateway to the world than a gateway to the North?
     
     
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