Salt Lake:Official development news thread - Part 2

[SLC Projects]

Originally Posted by Stenar

Yah, I doubt Eagle Mountain will ever top 50,000.

You doubt that one of the fastest growing cities as of right now won't top 50,000.

[John Martin]

Originally Posted by TonyAnderson

Great, now SLC is a primary location for getting bombed

That's just what I was thinking! We're the new Colorado Springs.

[scottharding]

Originally Posted by SLC Projects

You doubt that one of the fastest growing cities as of right now won't top 50,000.

I don't see Eagle Mountain topping 50k anytime in the foreseeable future. All this talk of the growth of Lehi, St. George, Eagle Mountain and projected growths is foolish to me, at this point. Someone said earlier that projections are based on trends, and trends will change. They have changed! The housing bubble burst! The national mindset has turned to dense, smart, sustainable, urban living, and while Utah tends to be a few years behind the national mindset, that will be the case here soon enough. No doubt those cities will continue to grow, but the building boom that caused such massive sprawling for the past two decades is over. As a reality and as a notion, it's over.
And thank God. Now the poor cities like St. George who couldn't accomidate their own growth will be able to take a breath and actually make concrete plans for their community.

[TonyAnderson]

Originally Posted by scottharding

I don't see Eagle Mountain topping 50k anytime in the foreseeable future. All this talk of the growth of Lehi, St. George, Eagle Mountain and projected growths is foolish to me, at this point. Someone said earlier that projections are based on trends, and trends will change. They have changed! The housing bubble burst! The national mindset has turned to dense, smart, sustainable, urban living, and while Utah tends to be a few years behind the national mindset, that will be the case here soon enough. No doubt those cities will continue to grow, but the building boom that caused such massive sprawling for the past two decades is over. As a reality and as a notion, it's over.
And thank God. Now the poor cities like St. George who couldn't accomidate their own growth will be able to take a breath and actually make concrete plans for their community.

But Utah's culture is focused on large families / kids. And that usually equates to houses, since it's not as easy to live in a high-rise condo in the middle of a major city, with 3, 4, or 5 kids. Which is why there's so much sprawl developing here in the first place. And also why Utah is the fastest growing state in the nation, meaning more need for places to live now, and in the future. So I dont see the trends changing too much. And the more population you have, the more exponential increase (In Utah especially). I'm not saying this is a good or bad thing Just the reality that will have to be dealt with.

[SLC Projects]

There will always be sprawl developing here.

[scottharding]

I agree. There will always be sprawl. I would never debate that. But I think that the rate and amount of this sprawl will drop significantly. I have little doubt that Utah county will one day have matching houses tucked into cul-de-sacs from one end of it to the other, because, as was mentioned above, that type of living is a big part of Utah's culture. But these days, no matter how badly some people want the Utah County dream, they can't have it. For the time being at least, they'll have to settle for what they can afford. They won't be able to get a huge loan based only on their wishes, and build a 5 bedroom house in Lehi, and then commute in a suburban to SLC everyday for work. The lifestyle has been changed in the US. Many across the country have accepted it as a good change, and this mentality is reshaping the inner cores of metro areas. I may make it sound dramatic, as if it's happening over night. Change on such a scale is very gradual, but I believe it's in motion.

[arkhitektor]

Becker picks new site for police HQ - across street from Library Square

By Rosemary Winters

The Salt Lake Tribune
Updated: 07/02/2009 01:10:28 PM MDT

Salt Lake City Mayor Ralph Becker still wants a public-safety complex built near downtown's showcase main library -- but on the east side of 300 East.

On Thursday, Becker recommended the Salt Lake City Council place a $125 million bond on November's ballot to fund a five-story police-fire headquarters and a three-story emergency-operations center.

A new report, completed by David Hart, architect of the state's Capitol renovation, recommends the "Barnes Bank block" across 300 East from Library Square as the "preferred" site for the facilities. Becker backs the recommendation, according to a news release.

Last month, the mayor, responding to public outcry, dropped a proposal to place the public-safety complex on the east end of Library Square (west of 300 East). Critics worried the complex would detract from the award-winning library's stunning design and shrink open space downtown.

One opponent of the Library Square site, former Councilwoman Deeda Seed, said in a statement Wednesday that she supports placing the complex farther east.

"Salt Lake City has an urgent need for a new public-safety building. We've known for years about serious deficiencies in the current building," Seed said. "We truly cannot afford to wait any longer to address this problem."

Link to story

[urbanboy]

Becker proposes new site for public-safety complex

"The possibility of building a public-safety complex on Library Square gone, Salt Lake City Mayor Ralph Becker is taking his $125 million plan across the street."

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705314453/New-public-safety-complex-site.html

[FutureCity]

Religion will always be a sensitive subject and should not be the topic of discussion on a skyscraper website. If everyone would follow this simple rule things would flow much smoother. Simple as that!

[urbanboy]

SLC Mayor Asks For Public Safety Bond



"Mayor Ralph Becker has asked the City Council to place an initiative on the November 2009 ballot authorizing a $125 million bond for the acquisition and construction of the new center."

http://www.kutv.com/content/news/local/s...-Safety-Bond/4udBPiB8W0K_xy8krm_Ruw.cspx

[Smuttynose1]

^ The mayor looks remarkably similar to a wax figure in that shot.

[delts145]

Utah will host new $1.9 billion NSA spy center

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/1,5143,705314456,00.html?pg=2

...In response to Deseret News inquiries, the NSA provided a written statement saying that after "evaluation of several potential data-center locations throughout the United States, Camp Williams in Utah emerged as the best choice of location."

The agency added, "Over the coming months the project-management team will begin the design phase and this will be followed by the issuance of a request for proposal in order to competitively select a developer for the project."

The only description the NSA itself offered of the data center in its statement is that it will be "a specialized facility that houses computer systems and supporting equipment."

Such computer-assisted NSA spy operations for years have been based at Fort George G. Meade, Md., just outside Washington, D.C.

However, the Baltimore Sun reported in 2006 that the operations at Fort Meade had maxed out the electric capacity of the Baltimore area's power grid — and the NSA was then unable to install some new supercomputers for fear of blowing out the electrical infrastructure of the area.

So the agency began looking for ways to decentralize operations. In 2007, it announced plans to build a second data center in San Antonio. The Utah center will now be the NSA's third...

New NSA center unveiled in budget documents
Function® » The security agency is set up to collect intelligence on foreign threats

http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_12744661

The National Security Agency was so confident that its nearly $2 billion plan for a new data center in Utah would be approved by Congress that it began designing the facility last November.

NSA budgeting documents also indicate that the design of the 1-million-square-foot center should be completed by February, with building to begin in June on a project that could mean thousands of construction jobs for a state that, like many others, has been stuck in a building lull...

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[delts145]

Becker proposes new site for public-safety complex - Mayor recommends locating center on Barnes Bank block

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705314453/New-public-safety-complex-site.html

...David H. Hart, the architect of the Utah Capitol renovation project, reviewed all of the public input and data on those locations before recommending the Barnes Bank block, city leaders said in a news release Thursday.

"Among the sites that were reviewed, this location meets the site criteria, provides the best combination of advantages, fewest disadvantages and continues the development of the civic campus," Hart said in the release. "The city will need to complete further work to define which portion of the block best meets the overall needs and desires of public-safety officials and the community."...

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[WeST]

I am really excited by these two stories! First, the NSA building will be a huge benefit to Utah. One of the greatest assets that Utah has is its high level of multilingual speakers, but too many leave the state for opportunities with government and international business. This will keep many here and the state will reap great benefits. This is a wonderful organization that does great work in keeping America secure and I am proud to have it here.

Second, I think the Mayor of Salt Lake made the right decision regarding the placement of the public complex. I think they can create a building that can complement the library across the street, while not competing.

[delts145]

I agree enthusiastically with you on both fronts WeST. I think this major NSA facility will not only have a huge direct impact on the local economy and employment, but a very major ripple effect.

Also, I've been very impressed with the transparent way Mayor Becker handled the public safety complex issure. I'm thinking he might possibly be an excellent prospect for Governor in a few years.

[SLCdave]

Originally Posted by delts145

Utah will host new $1.9 billion NSA spy center

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/1,5143,705314456,00.html?pg=2

...In response to Deseret News inquiries, the NSA provided a written statement saying that after "evaluation of several potential data-center locations throughout the United States, Camp Williams in Utah emerged as the best choice of location."

The agency added, "Over the coming months the project-management team will begin the design phase and this will be followed by the issuance of a request for proposal in order to competitively select a developer for the project."

The only description the NSA itself offered of the data center in its statement is that it will be "a specialized facility that houses computer systems and supporting equipment."

Such computer-assisted NSA spy operations for years have been based at Fort George G. Meade, Md., just outside Washington, D.C.

However, the Baltimore Sun reported in 2006 that the operations at Fort Meade had maxed out the electric capacity of the Baltimore area's power grid — and the NSA was then unable to install some new supercomputers for fear of blowing out the electrical infrastructure of the area.

So the agency began looking for ways to decentralize operations. In 2007, it announced plans to build a second data center in San Antonio. The Utah center will now be the NSA's third...

New NSA center unveiled in budget documents
Function® » The security agency is set up to collect intelligence on foreign threats

http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_12744661

The National Security Agency was so confident that its nearly $2 billion plan for a new data center in Utah would be approved by Congress that it began designing the facility last November.

NSA budgeting documents also indicate that the design of the 1-million-square-foot center should be completed by February, with building to begin in June on a project that could mean thousands of construction jobs for a state that, like many others, has been stuck in a building lull...

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This a great thing for our State, So. SL County and Northern Utah County.
This will most definately cause Saratoga Springs, Eagle Mtn. and Herriman's popoulation to swell. So much for containing sprawl.

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[delts145]

Hotel giants recharge amid challenging times; Marriott hotel's renovations exemplify Salt Lake City's 'Downtown Rising'
Lodging » $7 million invested into the 16-story building.

http://www.sltrib.com/business/ci_12749475

Windows off the north side of the Downtown Marriott Hotel afford striking views of construction activity on the City Creek Center project.

It's an appropriate viewpoint, given that a $7 million face-lift makes the Marriott the first project in downtown Salt Lake City's renovation that is nearly completed...


A new marble floor adds more light -- and a classy air -- to the lobby of the Marriott Hotel, just east of the Salt Palace Convention Center. Marriott renovated the library, the lower exterior facade of the building at 75 S. West Temple, and all 510 rooms and 7 suites ? to the tune of about $13,000 per room. The upgrade is designed to make the hotel especially competitive when the downtown redevelopment is completed. (Leah Hogsten / The Salt Lake Tribune)


Hyatt Place opens at The Gateway


http://www.sltrib.com/business/ci_12749485

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[East2Westback]

The new "spy center" is basically pinpointed and announced?

We must be the only country that pin points..."hey do not look around here...we only have spy centers!" LOL...Could you please look at us as a target
because real or not real this must be made a major target and are we all proud. OK, I spent a little less than half of my life in SLC but it was the city I grew up in and loved

Does not anyone else see how really bizzare this is?, 2.9 billion (which is starting to look like econ1) and we annouce a spy center...this is funny!

Wow

[WeST]

Originally Posted by East2Westback

The new "spy center" is basically pinpointed and announced?

We must be the only country that pin points..."hey do not look around here...we only have spy centers!" LOL...Could you please look at us as a target
because real or not real this must be made a major target and are we all proud. OK, I spent a little less than half of my life in SLC but it was the city I grew up in and loved

Does not anyone else see how really bizzare this is?, 2.9 billion (which is starting to look like econ1) and we annouce a spy center...this is funny!

Wow

I don't follow what you are saying. Almost every "spycenter" that we have is known. The only thing that is secret is what goes on inside and the agents who are undercover in the field. I think them announcing it and telling the community that they are coming is being a good neighbor.

Don't worry about this being a target, the security around these facilities is amazing. I would worry much more about an "iconic" tower that a terror cell would seek to destroy. Al Qaeda has already shown their preference for symbols of American capitalism and prosperity and these sites are much less hardened than places having to do with national security.