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Old Posted Jun 9, 2009, 5:17 AM
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^ i don't think there's enough space for a ramp, unless they pulled a Science World and made you go round and round...but i do agree with you.
Well, that's sort of what I was thinking. Something more direct that what is there now.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 9, 2009, 5:32 AM
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Some of their own busses? I doubt it and Air Canada will still run a shuttle - why wouldn't they? its probably a condition of employment

I don't think YVR or anyone out there will stop something - maybe if the park n ride is moved it might but I imagine they will still run a a shuttle unless they provide parkers with a token to catch the train - its part of what these people pay for - service from the parking to the terminal
The train is free between the YVR stations, remember?

And I thought Air Canada was the one who demands a down escalator for Sea Island Centre station...
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 9, 2009, 6:42 AM
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Anyway, it just seems to be that it would more convenient to access the terminal by way of the walkway to the international terminal.
To get to the International Terminal you probably wouldn't take the walkway to the Link Building - you'd ride one of the parkade elevators down to the Departures level and walk across the street to the International Terminal. But your point would apply to accessing the Domestic Terminal.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 9, 2009, 8:01 PM
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The train is free between the YVR stations, remember?

And I thought Air Canada was the one who demands a down escalator for Sea Island Centre station...
i never heard it was free who knew

i still doubt they would discontinue - the bus drivers must be unionized? and they would raise a stink
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Old Posted Jun 10, 2009, 3:06 AM
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i never heard it was free who knew

i still doubt they would discontinue - the bus drivers must be unionized? and they would raise a stink
Maybe they'll reassign them.. to flying planes!

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Old Posted Jun 10, 2009, 7:50 AM
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Old Posted Jun 10, 2009, 7:51 AM
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still sad about it? I gone over it. Honestly though, if they painted all the bars yellow (and the proper yellow in the MKII car) and the seats grey with the right fabric, it would've looked a lot better.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 10, 2009, 3:49 PM
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Toured the City Centre station yesterday. Concourse hallway MUCH wider than expected. Can't wait for the crackheads to move in.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 10, 2009, 5:46 PM
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I like the shiny chrome better than the yellow. The MKII seems darker, and given that the Rotem cars will be in tunnels most of the time, I'd rather be in a brighter car.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 10, 2009, 5:54 PM
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Sad? Really?

The Rotem trains look perfectly fine.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 10, 2009, 6:14 PM
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Both trains look a bit sterile inside but they're fine. The Rotems could use a few more horizontal standing bars. The wide aisle of the Rotem is a huge plus, even with two seats on each side, but the new MKIIs should prove to be a Godsend for Expo Line's crush capacity.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 10, 2009, 6:33 PM
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have the new Mark 2s gone into sevice yet?
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 10, 2009, 8:07 PM
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Both trains look a bit sterile inside but they're fine. The Rotems could use a few more horizontal standing bars. The wide aisle of the Rotem is a huge plus, even with two seats on each side, but the new MKIIs should prove to be a Godsend for Expo Line's crush capacity.
The train looks like a hospital waiting room, thats how sterile it looks.

I seriously don't get why they dont have horizontal standing bars down the whole car, the isles are so wide, yet no one is going to stand in them.

And i'm still really pissed off at not having side seating!
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 10, 2009, 10:27 PM
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The train looks like a hospital waiting room, thats how sterile it looks.

I seriously don't get why they dont have horizontal standing bars down the whole car, the isles are so wide, yet no one is going to stand in them.

And i'm still really pissed off at not having side seating!

Haha...it does!!

I think there is a row of side seating...right across the space for handicaps/luggages
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Old Posted Jun 10, 2009, 11:06 PM
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The train looks like a hospital waiting room, thats how sterile it looks.
looks nice, clean and efficient.

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I seriously don't get why they dont have horizontal standing bars down the whole car, the isles are so wide, yet no one is going to stand in them.
there are plenty of vertical bars. this way you do not have to show the world your sweaty armpits
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Old Posted Jun 11, 2009, 12:22 AM
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I think the cars look fine. As good or better than SH, HK and Beijing interiors.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 11, 2009, 12:54 AM
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The stupid...it hurts so much...

More stupidity in the letters section of the Vancouver Sun...

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Now that people other than Cambie Street merchants are having to face the consequences of the idiotic and cowardly decision to put the Canada Line on Cambie, I would like to remind them why this happened in the first place.

Faced with the logical initial plan to use the existing Arbutus rail corridor to bring people from Richmond and the airport directly to the University of B.C. and downtown, the rich homeowners' associations of the ritzy neighbourhoods along that corridor said, "Not in my backyard," and city council backed off with hardly a whimper.

So now, when you gripe about the last two years of disruption on Cambie or stand in line to catch jam-packed 99 buses at Broadway and Cambie, remember those fat cats enjoying the quiet of their backyards facing that precious unused corridor.

Jess Brewer

Richmond
I'm not one to shy away from a little bit of class-based analysis, but this is foolish. Cambie street was the right location for all of the reasons of which we are well aware. Apart from Kerrisdale and Broadway/4th Ave, the Arbutus corridor would have served nobody other than end users. Moreover, how do you get commuters "directly from [a potential] Arbutus line to UBC?!?" I guess those wishing to go to UBC could get off at potential stations at 16fh ave, King Edward, Broadway and walk the 5-6 km to campus. Some direct route!
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 11, 2009, 1:11 AM
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And another one...this guy's name is familiar...

Another letter from a Sun reader:

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The Canada Line lobby claims former Cambie Street merchant Susan Heyes should have suffered massive business losses for the common good. Such rubbish!

The line is being built for political prestige. There was not the ridership to justify subway construction (about 500,000 passengers a day), nor will there be in future. It's a project to satisfy the premier's mania for public-private partnership construction and to placate west-side Liberal voters for not building light rail transit on the contentious Arbutus corridor.

Most major transit projects around the world, including light rail and all cut-and-cover subway projects, have compensation packages for affected merchants who can prove a loss due to construction. [is this true?]

The real story is that costs for the line were spiralling out of control and InTransit BC had to reduce the scope of construction.

It achieved this by switching from the expensive SkyTrain to a cheaper "generic" metro; reducing station size to accommodate only three-car trains; single-track operation in Richmond, and a switch from bored-tunnel to cut-and-cover construction and no compensation for affected merchants. [As for his claims here, am I right that they are FALSE, FALSE (only 3-car trains?), TRUE, FALSE (cut-and-cover ended up costing just about as much, but the decision was made in the interests of time)?]

What the public is getting for its money is a truncated metro system that needs billions more just to achieve the capacity of a simple and much cheaper LRT line down the Arbutus corridor. [I know that an LRT down Arbutus would have greater potential capacity than one down Broadway, but will we really have to spend billions more for the Canada Line to achieve the capacity of a maxed-out potential LRT down Arbutus?] Where is the public good in that?

D.M. Johnston

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Someone should send a letter to the Sun rebutting some of this gentleman's claims.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 11, 2009, 1:20 AM
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http://www.bclocalnews.com/opinion/letters/47669992.html
looks like translink already did
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LRT advocate missing the facts


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Published: June 10, 2009 12:00 PM
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LRT advocate Malcolm Johnston hasn't been paying close enough attention to what has actually been going on with rapid transit developments.

First, TransLink has made it very clear that all technology options will be on the table for all expansion projects -- there is no 'default' to SkyTrain. Secondly, there are a number of SkyTrain-like systems in North America, with Phoenix Arizone just announcing an airport link.

But most importantly, Mr. Johnston should know that the public has a say, as they did in the Tri Cities where, despite his efforts to sell the benefits of LRT, there was a very strong preference for SkyTrain on the Evergreen Line.

Perhaps he should venture to one of our consultation meetings before dismissing the process.

- Ken Hardie, TransLink spokesman.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 11, 2009, 1:37 AM
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Another letter from a Sun reader:

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Someone should send a letter to the Sun rebutting some of this gentleman's claims.
officedweller, with good timing, answers a lot of these questions from his post on the UBC skytrain thread:
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showpost.php?p=4298776&postcount=665

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Redress sought on St. Clair
TTC Construction; Merchants considering class action

Giuseppe Valiante, National Post
Published: Wednesday, June 10, 2009


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Jeff Gillan of Carmen's Designs on St. Clair Avenue West says the city has ignored its pledge to minimize the impact construction of a streetcar right-of-way would have on local businesses.


St. Clair Avenue West merchants are considering a class-action lawsuit as they launch a bid for city compensation over the massive construction disruption of the streetcar right-of-way.

"Some of the people I've spoken to ... told me they've kept dossiers of what they say are a dirty laundry list of construction abuses that are staggering: of ineptitude, of overspending, of building and ripping apart and building again," said Stephen Edell, a lawyer from the area.

He has been contacting businesses to see if a case can be made on grounds that the city abused their rights and are at fault for the construction delays and cost overruns that have plagued the streetcar project since it began in 2005. Mr. Edell said he's heard back positively from over 75 businesses out of the 250 he contacted since Sunday.

"It's discussion about the possibility of compensation and/or some kind of tax concessions," said Mr. Edell. "We understand that the city has tremendous powers and rights as a public body. The question ... is whether [this project] has exceeded any reasonable expectation of what would be an appropriate interference with these people's right to conduct their business."

Joe Mihevc, a local city councillor and vice-chair of the Toronto Transit Commission, rejected any talk of compensation. "I have a ton of sympathy for what the businesses, and frankly the neighbourhood as well, have had to put with. However, the city will not be able to pay compensation for lost business.''

If City Hall did pay, every citizen could demand compensation for any renovation the city undertook, Mr. Mihevc said. "I don't think a lawsuit, or a threat of a lawsuit, is going to gain them anything," he said.

The project to construct streetcar-only lanes on St. Clair between Yonge and Keele streets was supposed to be completed by the end of 2006, but is now scheduled to be done early next year.

On the stretch of St. Clair between Lansdowne Avenue and Dufferin known as the Corso Italia Business Investment Area, most businesses have lost between 20% and 40% of sales since last year, according to the BIA's executive director Jeff Gillan.

Mr. Gillan said Mr. Edell has not contacted most of the businesses in his area, but said he "expect[s] that some of the merchants, if not all, would be interested" in talking about legal action.

"The whole idea was to do [the construction] with the smallest amount of impact on business as possible, but [the city has] ignored that," said Mr. Gillan.

Brad Ross, a TTC spokesperson, said the TTC has tried to address people's concerns by offerring two-hour stopover transfers.

''We want to get it complete. We understand that construction is disruptive," Mr. Ross said.

But the construction has become far more than simply disruptive, said Mr. Edell.

"Whether a legal solution is the right one or not we can't even say at this point in time, but somebody has got to do something," Mr. Edell said.

A meeting is planned in the next two weeks with business owners, he said.

Said Mr. Mihevc: "Good luck."
     
     
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