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metroXpress · #**6201** Posted **Jun 8, 2009, 1:25 AM**

yea, a friend of mine said it's short as well...they were expecting long trains like the ones in HK or Tokyo.....8-cars long perhaps with 180m+ platforms

mr.x · #**6202** Posted **Jun 8, 2009, 1:37 AM**

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Originally Posted by Allen

yea, a friend of mine said it's short as well...they were expecting long trains like the ones in HK or Tokyo.....8-cars long perhaps with 180m+ platforms

180m would be a white elephant overkill...your friend must be Asian.

officedweller · #**6203** Posted **Jun 8, 2009, 9:34 PM**

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Originally Posted by mr.x

i've talked about the Canada Line with quite a few of my friends and every time they see a test train or a station the first thing they say is how "small" it is.

Must be the conditioned response to ...

teriyaki · #**6204** Posted **Jun 8, 2009, 10:36 PM**

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Originally Posted by Allen

yea, a friend of mine said it's short as well...they were expecting long trains like the ones in HK or Tokyo.....8-cars long perhaps with 180m+ platforms

Yea, i've heard that from more than a few people too. We'll see if its spacious enough once september rolls around and its go time.

agrant · #**6205** Posted **Jun 8, 2009, 10:56 PM**

I'm sure some engineers and people in the know, basically people more qualified than any of us and our friends, have done the research. I don't see why they would intentionally under build something.

Yume-sama · #**6206** Posted **Jun 8, 2009, 11:00 PM**

People will step out of the airport... "What a cute little people mover!"

Obviously there is no need for long trains like Japan has

They have 30 million people to move around Tokyo, and can FILL every car to the doors and then some.

Vancouver does give off the impression of being bigger than it is, though.

agrant · #**6207** Posted **Jun 8, 2009, 11:12 PM**

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Originally Posted by Yume-sama

People will step out of the airport... "What a cute little people mover!"

Obviously there is no need for long trains like Japan has

They have 30 million people to move around Tokyo, and can FILL every car to the doors and then some.

Vancouver does give off the impression of being bigger than it is, though.

Sure. Richmond looks huge.

The only thing about Vancouver that throws people off is when the see all the towers downtown...

metroXpress · #**6208** Posted **Jun 8, 2009, 11:14 PM**

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Originally Posted by Yume-sama

People will step out of the airport... "What a cute little people mover!"

Obviously there is no need for long trains like Japan has

They have 30 million people to move around Tokyo, and can FILL every car to the doors and then some.

Vancouver does give off the impression of being bigger than it is, though.

We should be thankful that it's not so crowded here....

cornholio · #**6209** Posted **Jun 8, 2009, 11:18 PM**

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Originally Posted by agrant

I'm sure some engineers and people in the know, basically people more qualified than any of us and our friends, have done the research. I don't see why they would intentionally under build something.

In theory...but...
Intransit has 35 year contract, therefore when they do their calculations they assume the life of the project is 35 years...in real life though the life of the project can be a 100 years. I think everyone can see how this can be a problem and lead to a underbuilt system.

Regarding Translink, politicians are not overly concerned about what happens in 35 years, especially when they can conviniently lay the blaim on a 3rd party like Intransit, which by the way can in the worst case scenario convenietly disapear and take all the negativity attached to its name with it. Again its not a setup that will stop a system from being underbuilt.
Not to mention that even the CEO or managment team of Intransit or Rotem is going to be too concerned on what could happen in 30-35 years.

Now im not saying the Canada line is underbuilt, it might seem like it but I dont know, like you said we arent experts. But than again I dont exaclty have a hell lot of faitrh in Intransits and transliks research and their ability to build the Canada line properly(capacity wise and quality of construction wise).

Yume-sama · #**6210** Posted **Jun 8, 2009, 11:20 PM**

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Originally Posted by agrant

Sure. Richmond looks huge.

The only thing about Vancouver that throws people off is when the see all the towers downtown...

Yeah, well people aren't used to there actually being PEOPLE downtown in cities they go to. Just by the factor that you SEE other people downtown, makes people think the population is bigger than it is, there is even *gasp* street level retail on almost every street. Calgary is a prime example, nobodies there on the weekends or after 5 on weekdays.

, same with a lot of American cities I have been to. The city also has quite a good status in the World, considering its size.

metroXpress · #**6211** Posted **Jun 8, 2009, 11:21 PM**

What's the estimated cost of the whole line?

agrant · #**6212** Posted **Jun 8, 2009, 11:31 PM**

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Originally Posted by cornholio

In theory...but...
Intransit has 35 year contract, therefore when they do their calculations they assume the life of the project is 35 years...in real life though the life of the project can be a 100 years. I think everyone can see how this can be a problem and lead to a underbuilt system.

Regarding Translink, politicians are not overly concerned about what happens in 35 years, especially when they can conviniently lay the blaim on a 3rd party like Intransit, which by the way can in the worst case scenario convenietly disapear and take all the negativity attached to its name with it. Again its not a setup that will stop a system from being underbuilt.
Not to mention that even the CEO or managment team of Intransit or Rotem is going to be too concerned on what could happen in 30-35 years.

Now im not saying the Canada line is underbuilt, it might seem like it but I dont know, like you said we arent experts. But than again I dont exaclty have a hell lot of faitrh in Intransits and transliks research and their ability to build the Canada line properly(capacity wise and quality of construction wise).

30 years from now is the big unknown. We don't know how things will pan out. But like any transportation infrastructure, be it new highway expansion, bridge etc... they fill up to capacity more often than not. If we get 30+ years of filling to capacity for the Canada Line, that's pretty good. Gives us time to consider other routes.

SpongeG · #**6213** Posted **Jun 8, 2009, 11:34 PM**

y'all make it sound like there is going to be one train an hour and the capacity is needed

Metro-One · #**6214** Posted **Jun 9, 2009, 1:08 AM**

I think the trains will be fine, especially when the c-cars are added (which i think will look very nice).

For example, even here in the over crowded Japan i took a Hankyu train from Takarazuka to Nishinomiya and on this particular line the trains were only 3 cars long and the stations looked to be shorter than our E/M line stations (I am guessing they were 60m stations). I was on my way to watch the Hanshin Tigers play the Soft Bank Hawks (Soft Bank is the name of a cell phone company). The Tigers lost

deasine · #**6215** Posted **Jun 9, 2009, 1:10 AM**

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Originally Posted by Metro-One

I was on my way to watch the Hanshin Tigers play the Soft Bank Hawks (Soft Bank is the name of a cell phone company). The Tigers lost

I'm going to have to correct you: AHEM It's SOFTBANK not Soft Bank ^__^

Metro-One · #**6216** Posted **Jun 9, 2009, 1:53 AM**

Sorry, i am a DoCoMo fan myself, hehe.

deasine · #**6217** Posted **Jun 9, 2009, 2:04 AM**

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Originally Posted by Metro-One

Sorry, i am a DoCoMo fan myself, hehe.

I own a DoCoMo =)

Anyways going back on topic, I had nothing better to do today so I bused to YVR to take a look at the stations. Sea Island Centre has been moving quite quickly and the roofs of the pedestrian guidways has been installed. Escalators have also been installed on the Air Canada Pavilion side. YVR-Airport looks great... most of the work I believe has been completed. They are almost finished the lighting. Signs haven't been installed at both these stations, but it looks like there are bolts... so it will be installed soon.

My question is will YVR relocate some of the buses to Templeton Station? And will Air Canada end its shuttle bus as staff can use the Canada Line?

clooless · #**6218** Posted **Jun 9, 2009, 2:41 AM**

Did you have a look at where the station walkway exits into the Link Building? Personally I think this aspect of the Link Building is very poorly considered and designed and that a ramp should have descended from the station walkway into the Link Building ground floor. The design forces Canada Line passengers to either wait in the small upstairs area for an elevator or use an escalator, which is fine but the escalator has two stupid bars blocking you from taking luggage (even carry on sized luggage) down the escalator. And I hope that luggage carts will be available at the station.

Anyway, it just seems to be that it would more convenient to access the terminal by way of the walkway to the international terminal.

mr.x · #**6219** Posted **Jun 9, 2009, 2:44 AM**

^ i don't think there's enough space for a ramp, unless they pulled a Science World and made you go round and round...but i do agree with you.

SpongeG · #**6220** Posted **Jun 9, 2009, 3:23 AM**

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Originally Posted by deasine

My question is will YVR relocate some of the buses to Templeton Station? And will Air Canada end its shuttle bus as staff can use the Canada Line?

Some of their own busses? I doubt it and Air Canada will still run a shuttle - why wouldn't they? its probably a condition of employment

I don't think YVR or anyone out there will stop something - maybe if the park n ride is moved it might but I imagine they will still run a a shuttle unless they provide parkers with a token to catch the train - its part of what these people pay for - service from the parking to the terminal