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I wish the Gateway would shake things up and break the current color template.

Bring in some more pastels. Not just yellow and tan.
different colors would be cool, but I've noticed that the gateway area has a lot of buildings similar to boise's midrises.. in that they are bulky and exoskelatal.. I think more angles and glass would provide a better mix
     
     
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Hyatt at the Gateway

I like FrontRunner that is visible in the upper right of the picture.

     
     
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Comparing the new office building at the north end of the Gateway to the u/c Hyatt place hotel really demonstrates the difference in floor heights between office and residential/hotel. The office bldg is 7 floors, but is almost twice as tall as the 6-story hotel next to it.
     
     
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Nice pic!
It's amazing how much Odd Fellows Hall has moved since they hired a different contractor. This means the construction of the Borg Cube will begin even sooner!
     
     
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Famed library architect: Keep cop shop off the block

Park or police? » Library Board joins growing chorus against Becker's 'preferred' site.

By Derek P. Jensen
The Salt Lake Tribune

After weeks of silence, perhaps the paramount voice in the Library Square debate is declaring his disgust.


Award-winning architect Moshe Safdie, who designed Salt Lake City's showcase Main Library, has "great concern"
with Mayor Ralph Becker's proposal for a cop shop on the downtown cultural block, calling the resulting
arrangement a "fundamental transformation for the worse."


Salt Lake City Main Library architect Moshe Safdie leads a private tour of the building's exterior crescent steps. (Al Hartmann / The Salt Lake Tribune)

Safdie -- along with fellow library architects Steve Crane and Mark Johnson -- suggested that a "museum or
performing-arts building" might work on Library Square, but warned that "a police station and emergency operations
center is hardly a complementary use to the public life of the park."

"With further study," the architects wrote in a letter to Becker, the City Council and the Library Board, "locating
the police station on a block adjacent to the library block might be an acceptable addition."

The Library Board voted Tuesday to oppose placing a police headquarters a book's throw from the capital's cultural icon.
The board argues the cop complex -- to be funded by a $125 million bond if voters approve it in November -- is
"incompatible" and poses a philosophical threat to the freedom-of-speech nature of Library Square.

"It's not just an architectural issue," board member John Becker said Wednesday. "It's the compatibility of what that
block is all about, and that's intellectual freedom."

Besides the "preferred" location on the east half of Library Square, the mayor is weighing whether to erect the
public-safety complex across the street -- on the east side of 300 East.

Asked if it gave him pause to get pushback from Safdie and former library Director Nancy Tessman, who also opposes
the Library Square plan, Becker said, "You bet."

"If I was absolutely certain of which way to go ... I would have presented a single proposal," noted the mayor,
welcoming the "very valuable" input from the library board and the architects.

"This is very helpful and well-conceived," he said of the trio's letter.

The architects suggest a police headquarters has the potential to be an excellent library neighbor. "However, it
should be located across the perimeter streets," they wrote. "From there, it could contribute to the civic nature of
the district without cutting off the public from what is proving to be one of Salt Lake's most vital public resources."

That is not an endorsement of the patch above 300 East, Crane said Wednesday. "We say across the streets plural,
meaning east, south or north -- maybe the Ken Garff block or the Chamber of Commerce block."

"We're not opposed to the east side, we're not endorsing the east side," Crane added. "It needs to be looked at and
studied further."

The mayor plans to make his final site recommendation June 3 -- after public workshops set for Saturday and Monday
-- but said Wednesday he could delay that if he needs more time to consider the feedback.

City Councilman Luke Garrott said the kind of input gleaned from the workshops could prove "highly significant."

"People want to talk about alternative sites," Garrott said. "If it's limited to the Third East corridor, I have a hard
time with a discussion that's constricted so much."

Meanwhile, the mayor's office is challenging the "serious allegations" made last week by library project manager Ken
Ament that the block would be at a "highly documented" risk from liquefaction during a serious earthquake.

"It is clear that either of the proposed site locations do not present undue hardships," Becker chief of staff David Everitt
wrote in a letter Wednesday. Everitt cited a series of geotechnical studies that put the liquefaction risk at "moderate,"
not high.

As the controversy swells, voices across the blogosphere are calling for boycotts of Friday night's "Backstage with
Becker," a fundraiser for a future arts and cultural district the mayor hopes to anchor with a Broadway-class theater.

Becker brushed off the talk, saying the event is enjoying "very nice feedback." Still, a Facebook group labeled "Save
the SLC Library green -- open space" has mushroomed to nearly 2,500 members.


Civic Campus public workshops
» Saturday: Main Library auditorium, 210 E. 400 South, 9 a.m. to 2 p.m.

» Monday: Pioneer Precinct, 1040 W. 700 South, 7 p.m.

» June 16: City Council public hearing, City Hall, 451. S. State St., Room 315, 7 p.m.


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Safdie -- along with fellow library architects Steve Crane and Mark Johnson -- suggested that a "museum or
performing-arts building" might work on Library Square, but warned that "a police station and emergency operations
center is hardly a complementary use to the public life of the park."
Just to play devil's advocate for a moment- Why would it be acceptable to build a museum there but not a police headquarters?

The tone of the opposition to the mayor's proposal seems to be rooted more in a dislike and fear of police than it is in opposition to the loss of public space. This as evidenced by the fact that now even the Tribune is referring to the proposal as a "cop shop." That's pretty sleazy journalism, but then again, its the Trib. I'm talking about.

The so called "invaluable civic space" would be lost is almost never used by anyone for anything. The curved stair wall does too good a job at screening and separating it from the rest of the site and the plaza that it creates on the west side of the wall:



Its entire design seems to have been an afterthought. Have any of you ever actually used the space, other than walking through it on your way to the library?
The cloverleaf pedestrian interchange and overpass are so useless that you have to go out of your way to use them at all. Other than one week a year during the arts festival, the east side of the library block is about as "valuable" as open space as Holding's parking lots are.

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The so called "invaluable civic space" would be lost is almost never used by anyone for anything. The curved stair wall does too good a job at screening and separating it from the rest of the site and the plaza that it creates on the west side of the wall:
Its entire design seems to have been an afterthought. Have any of you ever actually used the space, other than walking through it on your way to the library?

The cloverleaf pedestrian interchange and overpass are so useless that you have to go out of your way to use them at all. Other than one week a year during the arts festival, the east side of the library block is about as "valuable" as open space as Holding's parking lots are.


Agreed

I was starting to wonder if I was the only one who thought this as well. But yea that space NEVER gets used other then people just walking by. I've never seen people using that green space when ever I was there.
And yes that "pedestrian interchange" is a waste of space if you ask me. It's like looking at a mini freeway interchange.

No matter where these buildings are going to get built the city needs to do it fast before the other building comes crashing down on everyone in it. We can't take YEARS debating where to build this thing. Not when the old building is falling apart.
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I urge everyone to participate in the workshop on Saturday. It is a great way to get information directly from the source (not the Tribune) and to have a say in the decision making process. This is where our government is at it's best: direct involvement of the public through hands on decision making.
     
     
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We aren't really taking years, more like weeks. I agree they need to be built but I agree that Library Square isn't the place. The argument of a museum is plausible in my mind because it helps to portray the arts, creative, exercise your mind vibe that the Library and Leonardo convey. The public safety complex would detract from that vibe.

I was down the last friday afternoon and there were actually a fair number of people on the grassy area. Yes some were transients taking naps, but there were a few couples, hippie and non hippie just enjoying the city, while others were out their reading.

The space get's utilized as performance space during the Arts Festival and could be utilized for other gatherings as well.

I am all for a new public safety building but if the final proposal is in Library Square I will be voting against the bond. SLC is going to continue to densify and we need to preserve this great open space that we have, while we have the chance.
     
     
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Just to play devil's advocate for a moment- Why would it be acceptable to build a museum there but not a police headquarters?

The tone of the opposition to the mayor's proposal seems to be rooted more in a dislike and fear of police than it is in opposition to the loss of public space. This as evidenced by the fact that now even the Tribune is referring to the proposal as a "cop shop." That's pretty sleazy journalism, but then again, its the Trib. I'm talking about.

The so called "invaluable civic space" would be lost is almost never used by anyone for anything. The curved stair wall does too good a job at screening and separating it from the rest of the site and the plaza that it creates on the west side of the wall:

Its entire design seems to have been an afterthought. Have any of you ever actually used the space, other than walking through it on your way to the library?
The cloverleaf pedestrian interchange and overpass are so useless that you have to go out of your way to use them at all. Other than one week a year during the arts festival, the east side of the library block is about as "valuable" as open space as Holding's parking lots are.
I completely agree. That is such dead and wasted space. We don't need to preserve any more "open space" in that area, there is a ton already! Between the west side of the library block and the C&CB there is more than enough space for festivals. With the sweeping wall separating that piece of land, any part of a festival that takes place over there feels isolated anyway. I'm not sold on it being used for police and safety buildings, but there are a number of other uses for that space that won't detract from Safdie's vision.

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We aren't really taking years, more like weeks. I agree they need to be built but I agree that Library Square isn't the place.

It always starts out with only weeks, then it goes to months and before we know it....it's been a year or two. That's what I hate.
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While the process often takes a while, sometimes it's worth it. Had the decision been made quickly regarding the city and county building back in the early 80's we would no longer have that gem.

I think the initial proposal is just that a proposal, other options will be discussed and a better alternative will developed, and it will most likely happen within a couple of months since he is attempting to get it on the ballot this fall.

I'm not set on the east side of library square being left open, but simply to place the public safety building there because we perceive that the space isn't utilized to it's potential is very short sighted. I also feel that the general Library/Washington Square area is the best spot for the Public safety building, it simply comes down to the fact that they are not complimentary uses. Imagine in 5 years if we have need for another museum, the east end of Library Square will be a perfect place, if we don't rush to build the PS building there now.
     
     
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While I think that the recent backlash against the mayor has been completely over-the-top, the proposal is certainly worth examining.

Does the city even own any of the land on the east side of 300 E.? I looks like both proposals impact the properties there significantly.

I'd much rather see it built on the land adjacent to the Chamber of Commerce bldg. Who owns the current parking lot?


Also, I understand that the old city jail was on the library block before the new library was built. What else was there and what happened to the jail when the new library went in? I have no idea where the jail currently is. If I get arrested in SLC, do the police just take me to the county jail?


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The city owns the Barnes Bank building on the east side of 300 E



I think a prime location, while not connected to a "Civic Campus" it is only a block away from City Hall, is the SW corner of 200 E and 600 S. The city owns all the property surrounded by red, and the area facing 600 S is already used for some city offices anyway. The area facing 300 E (right side of pic) is housing authority property and a city park (the Virgin Mary Tree Park). This area of the city could use a nice shot in the arm, and already owning the property there would be no need to purchase it, saving them some money.

     
     
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wasatch partners owns that lot, or at least a significant portion of it. They had stated years ago that they wanted to build two significant office towers on the lot, perhaps even a new tallest, but have done nothing with them. I personally think that their focus is elsewhere (Seattle) and aren't even really trying to move forward with anything in SLC. I think a public safety complex would go great on that lot, and there are no buildings to tear down in order to do it.
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Just did a little browsing. If everyone remembers, it was Wasatch Advantage Group (sorry, I said wasatch partners above) that owned those parcels as well as several others and several buildings downtown (the old chase building on west temple I believe). Deloy Hansen was the president/ceo/majority share holder... whatever, I don't know how this stuff works. He and Rocky Anderson got in a big tiff and Hansen said that he was not going to do anything in the city until Rocky was out of office (They were partnering with HP on 222 S. Main, but pulled out of the deal after that spat). This is also the company that was suppose to develop Providence Place Apartments on 100 S 300 E; they tore down the old Jubilee Center but the site is still empty. I remember hearing that they were looking to sell off the parcel. And finally, they no longer have a website that I can find, though the one I used to be able to find hadn't been updated in over a year the last time I looked at it and now I can't find it at all.
This all suggests that perhaps they are on hiatus from our market, or perhaps may be collapsing all together, IDK. If anyone has any info I'd love to hear it.
But the point of this ramble is that perhaps if they don't have plans for the site ark had highlighted above, then maybe the city could acquire it, though, there are plenty of sites for a public safety complex, I guess I just kind of like that one.
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While I think that the recent backlash against the mayor has been completely over-the-top, the proposal is certainly worth examining.

Does the city even own any of the land on the east side of 300 E.? I looks like both proposals impact the properties there significantly.

I'd much rather see it built on the land adjacent to the Chamber of Commerce bldg. Who owns the current parking lot?

I agree with this location. That would be great. It would help 400 south alot, especially if they build right to the sidewalk. Plus, it's close to both courthouses.
     
     
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Also, I understand that the old city jail was on the library block before the new library was built. What else was there and what happened to the jail when the new library went in? I have no idea where the jail currently is. If I get arrested in SLC, do the police just take me to the county jail?

Yes.
     
     
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