Metro Vancouver Transit Discussion - Page 146

SpongeG · #**2901** Posted **May 8, 2009, 8:41 PM**

fail

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1q0OW1f5DSs

Dave2 · #**2902** Posted **May 8, 2009, 9:54 PM**

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Originally Posted by SpongeG

why are there controls and stuff on the new train?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoVeQUlNwdM

The current MK-II have controls too, in the same place, the cover is usually down and locked unless the train is being operated manually or semi-automatically, like during snow events.

furbe · #**2903** Posted **May 8, 2009, 10:34 PM**

Can the Mark 2 not be configured in 3 car sets? I'm confused as to why they don't build longer trains. They have the platforms to accommodate this, but it doesn't seem to be on the radar. This would be especially helpful for peak hour traffic on the Expo line, in which people are packed in like sardines. I suspect this will get considerably worse when we build the Evergreen Line, as it will force more riders to transfer to Expo.

Can somebody with some knowledge help fill me in? Why don't we build longer trains with greater capacity per trip?

Whalleyboy · #**2904** Posted **May 8, 2009, 10:43 PM**

cause these trains were order be for the thought to order the middle train in the future they plan to order 3 car long mark II

WaxItYourself · #**2905** Posted **May 8, 2009, 11:07 PM**

I see they also use the term Way Out in England. I'm sure it's been mentioned before but that is most likely the reason why the Canada line stations say the same thing due to the Olympics. That signage for Way Out on the Canada Line look slike it can be removed and is merely temporary for the Olympics. Underneath it must say Exit. I'm sure the 'Way Out' signs on the Canada line stations will be taken off afterwards.

DKaz · #**2906** Posted **May 8, 2009, 11:31 PM**

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Originally Posted by Overground

I thought the MK-Is were narrow, wow!

deasine · #**2907** Posted **May 9, 2009, 7:32 PM**

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Originally Posted by WaxItYourself

I see they also use the term Way Out in England. I'm sure it's been mentioned before but that is most likely the reason why the Canada line stations say the same thing due to the Olympics. That signage for Way Out on the Canada Line look slike it can be removed and is merely temporary for the Olympics. Underneath it must say Exit. I'm sure the 'Way Out' signs on the Canada line stations will be taken off afterwards.

Out is the term used for the SkyTrain line. I much prefer Exit but whatever.

metroXpress · #**2908** Posted **May 9, 2009, 7:37 PM**

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Originally Posted by Whalleyboy

cause these trains were order be for the thought to order the middle train in the future they plan to order 3 car long mark II

They are called C cars

A-C-B

metroXpress · #**2909** Posted **May 10, 2009, 4:20 AM**

Found this in the other forums of this board:

A map for size comparison

http://www.radicalcartography.net/subways_2.pdf

Whalleyboy · #**2910** Posted **May 10, 2009, 7:25 AM**

it doesnt have west coast express in that picture

David · #**2911** Posted **May 10, 2009, 7:48 AM**

pretty sure it doesnt include heavy rail

[edit] nevermind, straining my eyes to read the key, it does say heavy rail...

agrant · #**2912** Posted **May 10, 2009, 3:07 PM**

Looks like Seattle is missing their new line.

dreambrother808 · #**2913** Posted **May 10, 2009, 5:04 PM**

so i guess the bay area wins for expanse and new york for density?

racc · #**2914** Posted **May 10, 2009, 5:49 PM**

And it is not like the Evergreen Line is anywhere near complete

deasine · #**2915** Posted **May 10, 2009, 5:58 PM**

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Originally Posted by racc

And it is not like the Evergreen Line is anywhere near complete

B-Line

lightrail · #**2916** Posted **May 10, 2009, 5:59 PM**

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Originally Posted by furbe

Can the Mark 2 not be configured in 3 car sets? I'm confused as to why they don't build longer trains. They have the platforms to accommodate this, but it doesn't seem to be on the radar. This would be especially helpful for peak hour traffic on the Expo line, in which people are packed in like sardines. I suspect this will get considerably worse when we build the Evergreen Line, as it will force more riders to transfer to Expo.

Can somebody with some knowledge help fill me in? Why don't we build longer trains with greater capacity per trip?

Jhenifer at Buzzer blog said that Translink is looking at it. One drawback is that the trainsets are permanently fixed together. So if one car is defective, the entire 2-car train has to be taken out of service (current situation). If there is a three-car trainset, then the entire 3 cars would be out of service. The current 2-car configuration provides Translink with maximum flexibility for making up trains and minimises out of service cars. Still, they're looking at some C cars for three-car trains so they can make a five car train (A-C-B-A-B), or six car (A-C-B-A-C-B). Currently they can do the following (A-B), (A-B-A-B) or (A-B-A-B-A-B) - the last with platform extensions.

racc · #**2917** Posted **May 10, 2009, 7:09 PM**

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Originally Posted by deasine

B-Line

Oh, it does have the b-line, but the legend says the green is dedicated busways but neither of the b-lines are.

lightrail · #**2918** Posted **May 10, 2009, 9:48 PM**

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Originally Posted by DKaz

I thought the MK-Is were narrow, wow!

The 1973 stock, seen in that picture are 2.62 metres wide - wider than the Mark II SkyTrain. They look more crowded because LU use heaily upholstered side-facing seats, plus the body is thicker for crash and noise protection, and there needs to be space for the doors, as they can't open outside due to the limited clearance. Plus the wheel assembly is under the seats too. Not to mention heating and air circulation,e etc.

Skytrain is around 2.4 metres wide

The Canada Line will be around 3.0 metres wide

DKaz · #**2919** Posted **May 10, 2009, 10:20 PM**

Actually the MK-Is are 2.45m wide.

The MK-IIs are 2.6m wide at the widest point, though both are the same widths at the floor.

furbe · #**2920** Posted **May 11, 2009, 1:29 AM**

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Originally Posted by lightrail

Jhenifer at Buzzer blog said that Translink is looking at it. One drawback is that the trainsets are permanently fixed together. So if one car is defective, the entire 2-car train has to be taken out of service (current situation). If there is a three-car trainset, then the entire 3 cars would be out of service. The current 2-car configuration provides Translink with maximum flexibility for making up trains and minimises out of service cars. Still, they're looking at some C cars for three-car trains so they can make a five car train (A-C-B-A-B), or six car (A-C-B-A-C-B). Currently they can do the following (A-B), (A-B-A-B) or (A-B-A-B-A-B) - the last with platform extensions.

Thank you. Did a google search and got myself up to speed. I would like to see them invest in A-C-B and/or A-C-C-C-B at some point in the near future. I live at Main Street Skytrain station, and during peak hours you are jammed in like a sardine, if there's even room. I can't imagine if I wanted to commute with a bike or rode a wheelchair what that would be like.