Metro Vancouver Transit Discussion

[twoNeurons]

Actually, many systems I've been on have both.

A single line over the door and a system map on a panel beside the door.

A system map at platform level would also be useful.

I don't see a need for the Canada Line on that map, apart from a line going down at Waterfront indicating its existence. Interestingly, the design of that map easily allows room for the M-Line West along the Broadway Corridor.

[WaxItYourself]

Originally Posted by twoNeurons

Actually, many systems I've been on have both.

A single line over the door and a system map on a panel beside the door.

A system map at platform level would also be useful.

I don't see a need for the Canada Line on that map, apart from a line going down at Waterfront indicating its existence. Interestingly, the design of that map easily allows room for the M-Line West along the Broadway Corridor.

if the names for the Millenium Line stations are moved below the stations there would also be room for the Evergreen Line on the map.

[zivan56]

Originally Posted by DKaz

Canada Line does have real heavy rail cars, just not real heavy rail system capacity.

Heavy rail as in passenger capacity.
Otherwise, a good solution to upgrade to "heavy rail" would be to buy a huge electric locomotive with passenger cars and run it on the tracks

[officedweller]

Originally Posted by kylemacmac

There's no reason it needs to be a rectangle over the doors.

Harder to see on a crowded train if it's down low.

[mr.x]

Wow, Stadium's third platform looks so...new. lol.

[westcoast314]

Canada Line footage, video of trip from Waterfront to YVR from the train.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebodV3UCHpc

[Unregistered]

Originally Posted by westcoast314

Canada Line footage, video of trip from Waterfront to YVR from the train.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebodV3UCHpc

When it passed through King Edward, I noticed the same small text, blue-background signage as we saw at Lansdowne.

I really don't get it. There's already a "blue" line in the system. Why would they choose to make another when there are so many other colours to choose from?

[twoNeurons]

I think it's "Translink Blue" Good idea or not, it's not unprecedented. K=London doesn't specify the line color on their station signs.

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[officedweller]

More MKII pics:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/chsscassidy

The mapped LEDs light green, yellow and red.

On Flickr, Sillygwailo notes the following:

All stations previous to the station you are going towards will be unlit. The upcoming station will blink. The terminus station will be lit in red. That could be anything from King George for Expo Line, VCC-Clark for the Millennium Line, Waterfront Station for both, or any other station in between if that's the terminus for that actual train. For example, in the morning rush hour, some trains return to Edmonds Station, so that will be in red. If there's problems on the track, then whatever SkyTrain decides is the terminus stations for that train will be in red.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/sillygwailo/3509015425/in/set-72157617792761620/

[usog]

Seriously, why are they mentioning separate 1300 and 1400 series when they talk about the new cars? Is there a difference?

[mr.x]

^ yea, the propulsion systems are different.

[usog]

Originally Posted by mr.x

^ yea, the propulsion systems are different.

Oooo, that's odd. Any info on the differences?

[mr.x]

^ i vaguely recall it having to do with power distribution, and it also means the trains sound different than the old Mark II's.

[metroXpress]

Originally Posted by DKaz

The new cars are nice. I can't wait to ride them! BTW, you forgot to source your photos other than the link.

So picky....

SOURCE FOR THE PHOTOS I POSTED A PAGE BACK: CARMINE MARINELLI, 24 HOURS


LINK: http://vancouver.24hrs.ca/News/gallery/2009/05/06/9373991.php

[deasine]

Originally Posted by mr.x

Wow, Stadium's third platform looks so...new. lol.

I believe they changed the floors... not that anyone ever uses that platform anyway.

Originally Posted by ravman

OMG.... YES YES YES!!! and omg they are nice.....

And for those who are thinking of voting Liberals, just wish that the Canada line was as good as this.... this is what you get with a P3.... 40m platforms, singletracking, cut and cover tunnel and trains made in Korea. These trains COULD have been built in Vancouver as they were with the Millennium Line back when the NDP was in govt! ( oh yeah after Libs won govt, Bombardier closed the facility down... it was the NDP that actually got the facility built!)

Originally Posted by zivan56

I would have to agree with ravman, the Canada Line is cost cutting at its best. I would rather it be double its budget to have at least the same capacity as Skytrain (or even have real heavy rail cars).

That has nothing to do with the interior of the vehicle. If we would have to blame, it would be the company that designed the trains: ROTEM, Hyundai. All their trains designed by that company have sterile but functional interiors, which is what we got on the Canada Line. There is nothing wrong with having trains built elsewhere and there is nothing wrong with ROTEM itself or else you wouldn't have international corporations like the MTRC purchasing from them anyway.

The concept of P3 is not the problem. I admit the Canada Line might not be the best form in P3, but there are other P3 projects that are functioning no problem. Privatization isn't an issue either and I don't understand why people are so against of that. As long as service gets straight to your doorstep as promised, then you are good. MTRC is fully privatized and it is one of the most efficient systems in the world. Many Japanese Rail Companies are fully privatized and I don't see people complaining about those services.

BTW, that LED light box looks like it is an addition to the train (as it sticks out) so I believe it can be placed in other MKIIs should TransLink ever refurbish the current fleet.

[Gordon]

I think that the the bar that goes along the center of the New skytrain cars might work well in the Mark1s in the miiddle part of the car where the inward facing seats are.

[red-paladin]

I really with the old Mark IIs were rebuilt to be like this, but more than that,
I wish the Mark Is would be completely rebuilt or phased out.
I know that Scarborough's RT transit track is only capable of using Mark I trains, so we should sell all the mark Is to them

[lightrail]

Originally Posted by twoNeurons

I think it's "Translink Blue" Good idea or not, it's not unprecedented. K=London doesn't specify the line color on their station signs.

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Not on the roundal - that's the same for all stations.
The colour coding is done in the trains and on the platforms and on the way-finding.

This is the Bakerloo Line platform - Brown colour on the sign band same as the colour on the tube map


This is on the Victoria Line - Light Blue on the sign board and the trackside power band - same as the colour on the tube map


Clapham Common on the Northern Line - uses black edging - same as the line colour on the tube map - yes, that is a narrow platform and is still in use - this is how the London tube cheaped out in the 1920s and they're paying for it today. Many of these old stations have been made larger by digging a new tube tunnel next door for wider platforms.


Bakerloo Line way-finding signs - love the old tiles from the 1900s


Way-finding at Waterloo Station - signs pointing to Waterloo and City Line and Bakerloo Line - using the line's colours.

[Overground]

^I think Clapham North and Common are the only stations that have island platforms left on the Underground.

But yeah, their colour coding for signage is great. Plus the hand rails inside carriages match the Line's colour. Circle Line for example is yellow and District Line has green(latest rolling stock) etc.

District Line green

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2405/2260391797_f0ab35d172.jpg?v=0
Circle yellow

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/130/318411794_99a11807f9.jpg?v=0
Piccadilly blue

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/106/255244412_a6afc9dd32.jpg?v=0

[SpongeG]

why are there controls and stuff on the new train?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoVeQUlNwdM