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Old Posted May 7, 2009, 1:56 AM
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Drove down 104 Ave this afternoon (first time since returning to Edmonton), and had a good look at the Robbins Health Center... Nice! GMac is starting to look like a legitimate campus!

...Then a few blocks down the road I get my first look at Venetian in-person... HOLY SH!T that thing looks 10X uglier than the photos made it out to be! I hope units aren't selling on that thing, it deserves to fail...

Couple quick questions: This project was approved before the creation of the EDC, right? Also (possibly a dumb question), does the EDC review proposals city-wide or just in and around the downtown area? I'm wondering because the downtown projects are the only ones I seem to hear EDC-related chatter about...
     
     
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^I think Venetian was pre-EDC. Yes it is a horror.

EDC works mostly in the downtown core & Oliver. It also reviews projects in surrounding areas like the Quarters, Northedge, and Old Glenora areas. South of the river, areas around the University, as well as Old Strathcona, Bonnie Doon, Strathearn, and Queen Alexandra and those areas are also affected by the EDC. Some other areas too, but basically it's the urban neighbourhoods in the city, not the suburbs. For a while it was just for the downtown and area though.
     
     
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here is the EDC overlay

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Northlands signals desire to be an even bigger player

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The Edmonton Journal

Thursday, May 07, 2009

Northlands opened its new downtown office -- on the second floor of the World Trade Centre -- with a splash Wednesday.

Roughly a hundred business and political leaders jammed a sixth-floor reception room to celebrate the launch, hobnobbing over nibblies and drinks as board chairman Andy Huntley sang Northlands' praises, and a juggler on stilts wowed passing office workers on the street outside.

While the non-profit organization's new downtown beachhead on Jasper Avenue is largely symbolic -- after all, its 65-hectare home base is just two LRT stops away -- the move signals Northlands' intent to play an even bigger role in the city's entertainment scene in the years ahead.

Clearly, it has the chops to do so, Huntley says.

Northlands' facilities -- including Rexall Place -- currently host more than 2,500 events and four million visitors annually, with about 25 per cent of all patrons travelling to Edmonton from outside the city.

That generates about $355 million in direct spending, and roughly $1 billion in spinoff economic activity throughout the region and the province, Northlands estimates.

The emergence of Rexall Place as a top-tier venue for concerts and other events -- Pollstar magazine ranked it 12th worldwide in 2007, in terms of ticket sales -- has helped Northlands cement its status as one of the country's premier players in the entertainment and trade-show business.

Once it completes a $150-million expansion of the AgriCom later this year -- boosting the amount of contiguous space available for trade and consumer shows to 500,000 square feet -- Northlands will be able to compete with any Canadian facility outside of Metro Toronto.

Although trade shows don't generate the same kind of buzz as Edmonton Oilers hockey games, big-name concert acts, the Canadian Finals Rodeo, Capital Ex or the Rexall Edmonton Indy, they're also big money spinners.

"Just to give you a sense of the true impact of these shows, the Alberta Gift Show attracts over 34,000 retailers each year to Edmonton, while generating in excess of $300 million in wholesale spending, and $70 million in direct economic impact -- impressive numbers," Huntley says.

"When we're not driving economic growth for Edmonton, we're delivering a non-stop stream of exceptional experiences, in keeping with our reputation as Edmonton's centre of entertainment and excitement."

Huntley also underlined the success of the Rexall Edmonton Indy. Northlands figures the summer race generated more than $80 million in related regional spending, while showcasing Edmonton to a global television audience of 350 million homes in more than 180 countries.

"It's enormous, the reach that (event) has on television," Huntley says.

"Operating the Indy has also demonstrated our ability to execute events off our site, and we saw firsthand just how busy downtown hotels, shops and restaurants can really be. It's the tip of the iceberg."

Although Huntley didn't utter a word about the prospect of a new downtown arena eventually replacing the aging and undersized Rexall Place, he didn't have to. It was on everyone's mind, including that of Oilers president Patrick LaForge.

"I'm not the downtown development guy, I'll just be a tenant if it happens," he told an inquiring business columnist.

"I know that our lease is up in 2014. That doesn't mean Rexall is going to get knocked down that day. But it is, in my mind, a goal-line I've thought about for a long time. So I hope progress is made, but you're asking the wrong guy in terms of when and where and how it gets built."

For his part, Huntley says he expects some kind of concrete proposal for a new downtown arena to emerge later this year. Northlands is keenly interested in managing it, no matter where the facility is located, he stresses.

"Given our experience and history, we're really confident we'll have a role. Northlands clearly has the core competency."

The organization has held "very preliminary" meetings about the proposed project with other key parties -- notably Katz Sports Group, part of Oilers'owner Daryl Katz's corporate empire -- but Huntley says it's too early to say what will emerge from those discussions.

"It's just been a get-to-know-you peek at this point. If we had something to say, we would. It's really been very preliminary," he says.

"The Katz Sports Group has been excellent in just assuring our involvement. But who is going to do what, and how it shakes out -- that's all for another day."

When asked when that day may arrive, Huntley offered this: "I am really throwing darts in the air here, but I'd say in six months, you'll see something start to (take shape). That feels like the kind of time-frame where you may start to hear a more definitive proposal."

Meanwhile, LaForge says Jim Balsillie's latest bid to purchase an NHL team and move it to southern Ontario -- the co-CEO of Waterloo, Ont.-based tech giant Research In Motion has launched a $212.5-million US bid to acquire the financially strapped Phoenix Coyotes -- would be great news for Canadian hockey fans.

"There's no question in my mind that southern Ontario is a great hockey market, and probably underserved. You've got to say eventually, even the largest Starbucks in the world gets another Starbucks beside it."

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Building permits boom
Much of increase seasonal, and numbers still down from peak


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Thursday, May 07, 2009

The Edmonton region posted a staggering 76.8-per-cent increase in the value of building permits for March.

Municipalities in the Edmonton census metropolitan area issued permits representing $295.1 million worth of intended construction in the month, say figures released Wednesday by Statistics Canada.

The increase was driven by both residential and non-residential sectors, said the federal agency.

It represents a 19.6-per-cent rebound from the same time last year, when the Edmonton region's building permits totalled $246.8 million.

The city of Edmonton alone posted $208.3 million worth of building permits in March -- up 126 per cent from February's $92.2 million.

Although much of the monthly increase was seasonal, flowing from spring thaw, longer-term figures suggest a reversal from dramatic declines in activity that started last year after upswings in 2006, '07 and early '08, said Scott Mackie, the city's branch manager of current planning. "We're seeing signs of recovery.

"What we're seeing in April 2009 compared to 2008 is that the overall construction value, year over year, is returning to what I would call a normal level. Both March and April, the results are looking fairly positive.

"Some of the numbers we've looked at," Mackie added, "would suggest that we've actually returned to a long-term average. We're back to levels of 2004 and 2005."

Zoning, development and building permits represent increasingly firm intentions from builders that a project is going ahead.

"We have seen an increase recently in development permit activity, but we have also seen a decrease in the zoning activity. That would suggest ... there's an adequate supply of zoned land out there, but there's an increased interest in getting a shovel in the ground in recent weeks."

In the Calgary CMA, building permits rose by 20 per cent in March 2009 over the previous month to $236.5 million.

After declining for most of the past year, the value of Alberta building permits rose 34.1 per cent in March from February to $696 million.

Construction permits for residential projects gained 30.5 per cent to about $309 million. Non-residential permits rose by 37.2 per cent to about $387 million.

"Despite the reasonably strong showing in March, the value of construction permits issued is still down by about a third from where it was in March of 2008," said ATB Financial senior economist Todd Hirsch.

"Even with the turnaround in building permits, it's too soon to call the recession over."

But he said the numbers add to recent "green shoots" in Canada's economy. "It's encouraging to see economic indicators rising, rather than falling."

Across Canada, building permits also rebounded in March to $4.54 billion, up 23.5 per cent from February, with Ontario, Quebec and Alberta posting the biggest gains.

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I'm really glad to see Northlands looking positively at the prospect of a downtown arena. I would like to see them charged with managing it.

Also good on 'em for moving into WTCE. I admit I was a little skeptical of the WTCE project when it was first announced, but it really seems to be picking up a lot of relevant tenants.
     
     
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Drove down 104 Ave this afternoon (first time since returning to Edmonton), and had a good look at the Robbins Health Center... Nice! GMac is starting to look like a legitimate campus!

...Then a few blocks down the road I get my first look at Venetian in-person... HOLY SH!T that thing looks 10X uglier than the photos made it out to be! I hope units aren't selling on that thing, it deserves to fail...

Couple quick questions: This project was approved before the creation of the EDC, right? Also (possibly a dumb question), does the EDC review proposals city-wide or just in and around the downtown area? I'm wondering because the downtown projects are the only ones I seem to hear EDC-related chatter about...
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^I think Venetian was pre-EDC. Yes it is a horror.

EDC works mostly in the downtown core & Oliver. It also reviews projects in surrounding areas like the Quarters, Northedge, and Old Glenora areas. South of the river, areas around the University, as well as Old Strathcona, Bonnie Doon, Strathearn, and Queen Alexandra and those areas are also affected by the EDC. Some other areas too, but basically it's the urban neighbourhoods in the city, not the suburbs. For a while it was just for the downtown and area though.
there's some post edc "horrors" as well...

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showpost.php?p=4105842&postcount=3390
     
     
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Did I read that right? Tango has essentially been shelved because it's too tall?!?!?!
     
     
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I appreciate the work that the EDC does, and not having seen the presentations I can't really comment but are these projects that bad - or is EDC super picky?
     
     
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the city has been out planting trees in the median along 119/122 street.
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Did I read that right? Tango has essentially been shelved because it's too tall?!?!?!
As a developer I'd be pretty choked.

I can only think that they're considering height to be an issue due to the site's close proximity to single family dwellings. Still doesn't seem like an appropriate judgement to me.

Apparently 9 of 11 were for the motion of non support.
     
     
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Did I read that right? Tango has essentially been shelved because it's too tall?!?!?!
Not that I necessarily agree, but according to the Stadium TOD plan they don't want to box in the residential area between 82 st, Jasper ave and the LRT tracks with tall towers, rather they want future towers to be 'stepped' as they move further back from the valley edge.
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^ I would hope that they could compromise on the height if they provide some street level commercial, public spaces and amenities, etc. If EDC can't compromise, this developer could simply walk away if the height is crucial to making the tower financially viable.
     
     
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It is amazing how many events Northlands pulls off. They are truly a great group to have in Edmonton. Look forward to more from them in the future.

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the city has been out planting trees in the median along 119/122 street.
Good to hear. That will add nicely to that road in years to come.
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