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Old Posted May 6, 2009, 1:08 AM
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WTF just happened to C2E?! Everytime I try to get to the C2E website, I get the Edmonton.com site!
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Old Posted May 6, 2009, 2:43 AM
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WTF just happened to C2E?! Everytime I try to get to the C2E website, I get the Edmonton.com site!
Thats the exact thing i was wondering! Something is certainly up...
     
     
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Yes that's what I posted originally. Then it worked again so I deleted it. I don't get it. It stops working - then it works again. Huh ??
     
     
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"pedestrian friendly" is more of a tag line than actual practice. Along the same lines as "Urban village"
Bullshit! Define 'pedestrian friendly'? Is pedestrian-friendly only achievable on a lot, block, neighbourhood or district? There are some parts of Oliver that aren't pedestrian friendly and there are parts that are. So creating a 'pedestrian-friendly' environment within a suburban context is not pedestrian-friendly?

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Old Posted May 6, 2009, 3:38 AM
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That's more of an issue about hardware store chains, all I'm saying is hardware stores can work in a true urban form, and the way that Windermere did it wasn't it, even though they are trying to be more urban.

The reason why I said Home Depot is because that's what there. If it was a Rona, Totem, or other I would have said that.
Yes, they can work in an 'urban format', however, Currents is NOT urban, its suburban. So I don't know why you think that Home Depot in Currents is trying to be more 'urban'?!?!
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^Windermere is trying to be urban. It's promoting itself as a lifestyle place, pedestrian zone, and urban village. It is far from that. It is a suburban neighbourhood with the same blandness as Rutherford or Ellerslie Crossing.

I never said the Home Depot specifically was trying to be urban. I know very well it follows the same - typical - suburban platform. Nothing different really. What I was saying is Currents fails to be the urban lifestyle centre it promotes itself to be.

I was also saying an urban form like Home Depot would be able to work in Edmonton but to put it more clearly, Currents is not the spot for that.

I agree with you in that Currents is just a suburban neighbourhood - but trying to be urban when it's really sucking people into buying there. One of their lines is "putting a little city in the suburbs", it isn't true what they're doing, but that's what they're trying to market to people.
     
     
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Thousands of Alberta homes could rot
Stucco covering linked to leaky walls; crisis could rival pine shakes scandal, expert says


Darcy Henton
The Edmonton Journal

Wednesday, May 06, 2009

Thousands of Albertans might be living in homes and condos that will rot because some builders used a stucco exterior wall-covering that is prone to failure, experts in masonry construction say.

Michael Hatzinikolas, a member of a national committee that sets masonry building standards, says homeowners could be facing a crisis rivalling the pine shakes scandal a decade ago.

Hatzinikolas said a surface-seal system used to cover the exterior of homes, apartments and condos is prone to leak and could leave homeowners with huge repair bills and health issues.

"The surface-seal system does not work in Canada," said Hatzinikolas, a former adjunct professor at the University of Alberta and the author of several books on construction practices. "This is a huge problem for the people of Alberta. It's much worse than the pine shingles."

Hatzinikolas said the National Research Council raised concerns about the seal system -- known as the Exterior Insulation and Finish System -- in a report in 2000, but the report has not been circulated.

At least one Ontario insurance company, Pro-Demnity Insurance, has stopped insuring surface-sealed buildings following a building code commission ruling five years ago that the system did not satisfy Ontario Building Code requirements.

Yasser Korany, who teaches in the University of Alberta's department of civil and environmental engineering, said the system was designed to prevent water from entering walls, but it fails in Alberta's climate.

"There are so many issues and problems associated with these systems," he said. "In practice, they don't perform as we hoped."

Moisture inevitably gets inside the wall, which starts to rot, he said.

Korany wants the province to step in with regulations to stop builders from using the system and to make sure home buyers are aware of the issue.

"There's a moral obligation here that the public should know about the potential consequences," he said.

Some builders will continue to use acrylic stucco because it is lighter and cheaper.

But Korany said homeowners face costly repairs and possible health problems from exposure to mould.

Municipal Affairs Minister Ray Danyluk, who appointed MLA Thomas Lukaszuk last year to study leaking problems in detached homes, said his department is looking into the matter.

"We'll take it through the process and see what is happening here," he said.

"The whole purpose of our building envelope (review) is to make sure we're using the right materials and to make sure individuals and homeowners are protected -- whether it's materials or workmanship."

Homebuilder Pat Adams said surface-sealed stucco has been an ongoing issue in the building industry for some time.

"We don't use it because it is prone to failure," he said. "We haven't had that many problems with it in the past, but we're having more problems with it now. There's no place for water to go once it gets inside the wall."

The surface-seal system is not included in the Alberta Building Code, but it was approved by the Canadian Construction Materials Centre with a proviso that the system requires a high level of quality control during application and regular maintenance, Hatzinikolas said.

"This is a system that requires frequent maintenance and any cracks should be fixed immediately," Hatzinikolas said.

The pine shakes scandal came to a head in 2000 when about 2,000 homeowners attempted unsuccessfully to sue the province for putting a defective product in the building code.

The province had approved the use of untreated pine shakes as roofing material, but the shingles rotted prematurely. The Alberta Safety Codes Council later amended the code to require that shingles had to be treated with preservatives before they could be installed.

Hatzinikolas, who now operates a company that manufactures masonry accessories, has been pressing the Alberta Building Regulation Services Committee, which sets building codes, to address the surface-seal issue.

"Based on my experience over the last 35-plus years in the field of exterior wall assemblies, it is time for the authorities to do something to protect the public," he wrote in a Dec. 15, 2008, letter to the chair of the committee.

He said the issues raised in his letter, which he copied to Alberta associations of architects and professional engineers, have still not been addressed. Officials say they aren't aware of any widespread problems with rotting homes and condos in Alberta, but they are familiar with the issue because of problems in B.C.

British Columbia's mid-'90s leaky condo crisis, blamed on a building boom, shoddy construction practices and rainy climate, has caused an estimated $3 billion in damage and many condo owners are still grappling with the problem.

Officials with the Alberta Home Warranty Program and the City of Edmonton couldn't say how widespread the problem of defective exterior systems may be in the province.

However, the city has required professional engineers and architects using acrylic stucco exterior systems to sign a waiver absolving the municipality of liability for their use of the system.

Larry Ochocki, the city's director of safety codes, said the city can't be held responsible for builders who use the surface-seal system because it is the province's responsibility to set building standards.

"It's not a City of Edmonton issue," he said. "This is a provincial issue."

Korany said that if the city building department is aware of a problem with acrylic stucco surface-seal systems, it should stop allowing builders to use it.

"Clearly, there is concern by the city and rather than facing the issue and trying to find a resolution that would work for industry and owners, I think the city has taken the easy way out," he said.

Hatzinikolas said most home and condo buyers probably don't know there's a problem lurking underneath the stucco of their new homes.

By the time they discover the exterior walls are rotting, their new home warranty will have expired and they will be on the hook for major repairs, he said.

Once the rot begins, there's nothing homeowners can do but rip off the wall covering, repair the damage and install a vented system, he said.

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Mandel challenges Muni supporters
'It's time to let go of the past and move forward' mayor argues


Gordon Kent
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Wednesday, May 06, 2009

Mayor Stephen Mandel threw down the gauntlet Tuesday to City Centre Airport supporters, challenging them to prove Edmonton is best served by keeping it open -- or else let it close.

"Explain what you know better, what you see for the future and why we have to listen," he said in his annual state-of-the-city speech to the Edmonton Chamber of Commerce.

"And if you can't do this, then maybe, just maybe, it's time to let go of the past and move forward."

It's the first time Mandel has taken a public stand on the issue since reports last year indicated the city could earn almost $500 million by turning the 217-hectare property into a commercial and residential community that would eventually be home to 32,000 people.

The mayor took aim at arguments against closure, which he later termed "misinformation," such as fears cleanup of the site could cost billions, companies will leave Edmonton without quick air access to downtown or changes to medevac service will put lives at risk.

"Please understand that environmental costs will have to be paid either way. Don't tell us that your business status entitles you to special consideration and that treating you like every other Edmontonian is somehow an affront," he said.

"Don't scare people with health issues that are taken out of context by not looking at the whole time it takes to initiate and complete a medical transfer.

"And don't act like the 1995 (plebiscite) decision was just a 'maybe.' Tell us your vision."

That year, Edmonton residents voted 75 per cent in favour of consolidating scheduled service at the Edmonton International Airport and running the downtown airport as a general aviation facility.

Mandel also told the luncheon crowd:

- He expects discussion to resume soon on the proposed downtown arena-entertainment complex.

- Incentives such as tax breaks and subsidies should be considered to make transit-oriented development work, and LRT needs to be expanded to all corners of the city and into the region.

- The city needs an administrative review to break down a "good enough" bureaucratic attitude.

At a later meeting with The Journal's editorial board, Mandel insisted he hasn't made up his mind on the fate of the so-called Muni, although he hasn't heard anything to convince him it should stay open.

"There has been a lot of people trying to paint a picture that without this airport the city of Edmonton's economy is going to collapse.

"That's so far from the truth -- how far is Mars, that's how far it is."

Instead, the land could be developed into an innovative neighbourhood that would reduce sprawl and provide space for NAIT to expand without requiring a new campus near the city's southern boundary, he said.

With lots of downtown land already available, development at the Muni probably wouldn't start for at least a decade, he said.

"Part with the past. (Pilot) Wop May was important, he's a great (historic figure), he meant a lot to the city, as did the City Centre Airport, but times have changed."

But Coun. Tony Caterina, a strong Muni supporter, said later he wants closure proponents to wait until all the information is available in reports due by June 19.

Edmonton has a responsibility as the provincial capital to provide Albertans with access to health care and the government, he said.

As well, thousands of people could lose their jobs and medevac patients would be endangered if the airport was shut down, Caterina said.

"In regards to economic development, it's critical ... here we are contemplating getting rid of something that's already here. That just doesn't make sense to me."

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WRT to EIFS.... good to see some action/attention to it for IMO EIFS is a pretty weak exterior system in general.

although my building uses EIFS, concrete with steel stud is somewhat reassuring in the durability of it.
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But Coun. Tony Caterina, a strong Muni supporter, said later he wants closure proponents to wait until all the information is available in reports due by June 19.
ya, but he wants the pro-open side to keep yabbering on. I wonder why. Idiot.
     
     
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I wonder if the EIFS failures are due to the useage of acrylic stucco rather than the more traditional and currently infrequently used aggregate stucco.

Aggregate stucco has been around forever and you don't hear about that exterior finish failing.

Brick is still my favorite and probalby one of the best.
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^i like brick as well and if not a hybrid type of system with metal panels.
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ya, but he wants the pro-open side to keep yabbering on. I wonder why. Idiot.
I literally punched my computer screen when I read that diarrhea.
     
     
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^ I knew sometimes builders are using sh*t materials, but this is ridiculous!

J/k, it is interesting, actually. I'd love to see this used locally in practice to see how it fares.
     
     
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Spike in Edmonton building permits seen in March

EDMONTON — Edmonton posted a staggering 76.8-per-cent increase in the value of building permits for March.

Municipalities in the Edmonton census metropolitan area issued permits representing $295.1 million worth of intended construction in the month, according to figures released Wednesday by Statistics Canada.

The increase in permit value was driven by both residential and non-residential sectors, said the federal agency.

It marks a 19.6-per-cent rebound from the same time last year when Edmonton’s building permits totalled $246.8 million.

Building permits rose by 20 per cent in Calgary in March 2009 over the previous month.

After declining for most of the past year, the value of Alberta building permits rose 34.1 per cent in March from February to $696 million.

Construction permits for residential projects gained 30.5 per cent to about $309 million. Non-residential permits rose by 37.2 per cent to about $387 million.

Across Canada, building permits also rebounded in March to $4.54 billion, up 23.5 per cent from February, with Ontario, Quebec and Alberta posting the biggest gains.

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