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Old Posted Apr 23, 2009, 12:48 PM
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Tear down Cromdale: mayor
But getting rid of city eyesore and crime magnet is easier said than done, caution officials


April 23, 2009 - Edmonton Sun

By FRANK LANDRY, CITY HALL BUREAU

A shuttered hotel described as "structural vomit" and a magnet for drug dealers, prostitutes and gang members should be bulldozed, says a frustrated Mayor Stephen Mandel.

"People are getting inside. Drug deals are happening outside," the mayor said, referring to the Cromdale Hotel, 8115 118 Ave.

The hotel was built in 1954 and closed in 2004 after being declared unfit for human habitation.

Mandel suggested it be torn down by the city if necessary, and the owner billed.

"In my mind this is not a complicated issue. Just do it."

But David Aitken, director of the city's complaints and investigations section, said tearing down a privately owned building is not a simple task.

Safety codes officers inspected the building and could not find any structural deficiencies.

And reports of unauthorized access have not been confirmed, states a report to council.

Another investigation is going on, Aitken said, dealing with potential violations under the city's community standards bylaw.

In extreme cases - where a derelict building is found to be a detriment to the community - Aitken said a demolition order can be issued. The owner of the building was not present at the meeting.

Const. Andrew Larson, a community liaison officer with the Edmonton Police Service, described the Cromdale as "structural vomit."

"Besides being incredibly unpleasing to look at, it's been a target for vandalism, graffiti and general crime and disorder," Larson told the executive committee of council.

Police have responded to 90 incidents at the former hotel since the beginning of last year, spending more than 100 hours on the calls, according to police figures.

Larson said he's personally responded to reports of addicts smoking drugs behind the building, people living in cars in the parking lot and johns having sex with prostitutes on the property.

"It's become a hallmark on the avenue for all the wrong reasons," said Joe Holtz, executive director of the Alberta Avenue Business Association.

Area resident Christy Morin said she fears walking by the "decaying and dying" building.

The executive committee of council asked administration to report back on the status of the building in the near future.

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Job No 85879897-001: To change the use from an office to a specialty food service and to construct interior alterations.
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Tear down Cromdale: mayor
But getting rid of city eyesore and crime magnet is easier said than done, caution officials
Not that I'm not all for tearing down the Cromdale, but do they honestly think that removing it will also remove the crime? I'm concerned that they're placing too much emphasis on this one building, as though tearing it down will solve all of this neighborhood's problems.
     
     
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^ You should live close to there. THe building blocks all the alcoves off the alley where you can always find homeless people drinking, shooting up or having sex with each other. I'd rather see a gravel parking lot.
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Not that I'm not all for tearing down the Cromdale, but do they honestly think that removing it will also remove the crime? I'm concerned that they're placing too much emphasis on this one building, as though tearing it down will solve all of this neighborhood's problems.
it is a symbol associated with crime, drugs, prost, etc. Remove it and it goes a long way to making the area come together.

similar to when the cecil got demo'd
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The intent of this Invitation to Bid is to solicit and receive formal offers to construct new CRU spaces and expand the existing 3 Level parkade and temporary Parkade on the Main Floor Site Area including all associated site works, landscaping work, on an off site utilities at 10921 Jasper Avenue, for a Stipulated Price Contract, in accordance with the Contract Documents

EDIT: crossposted with Excalibur... doesn't look like this is for the condo tower... are they maybe building the podium first ?
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WICKED! I love the look of this project and putting another 50-75 people on that corner would be great!
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Job No 85879897-001: To change the use from an office to a specialty food service and to construct interior alterations.
10820 - 100 AVENUE NW
Plan NB Blk 8 Lot 31
10820 - 100 AVENUE NW
Plan NB Blk 8 Lot 32
10820 - 100 AVENUE NW
Plan NB Blk 8 Lot 33
10820 - 100 AVENUE NW
Plan NB Blk 8 Lot 34
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Corona Cafe opening again, yay!
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The intent of this Invitation to Bid is to solicit and receive formal offers to construct new CRU spaces and expand the existing 3 Level parkade and temporary Parkade on the Main Floor Site Area including all associated site works, landscaping work, on an off site utilities at 10921 Jasper Avenue, for a Stipulated Price Contract, in accordance with the Contract Documents

EDIT: crossposted with Excalibur... doesn't look like this is for the condo tower... are they maybe building the podium first ?
Yeah, I read the description after I posted and it does just sound like podium. Interesting..
     
     
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so by the sounds of it they will be continuing the AE plaza parkade west?
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Today's History Lesson:

James Rutherford House
by Lawrence Herzog
It's Our Heritage | Vol. 27 No. 16 | April 23, 2009



Rutherford House is located at 11707-96 Street. Photo by Dave Robb
Built in 1927 as the modest home of an Alberta Avenue business owner, the James Rutherford House has been recommended for designation as a Municipal Historic Resource. The one-storey clinker brick house at 11707 96th Street was designed with Craftsman influences including an intersecting gable roof and exposed rafter tails.

The house was built using clinker bricks, which are over-fired partially vitrified bricks, typically formed by being too close to the fire. One hundred years ago, volcanic-textured clinkers were typically discarded, but then Arts & Crafts designers and daring architects began to use them for their distinctive texture and appearance.

The Pasadena, California architectural firm Green and Green made clinker bricks famous by using them in walls, foundations, and chimneys. The name “clinker brick” is said to come from the sound that they would make when banged together, being heavier than regular bricks. The term is also used for the hardened residue of coal fires.

In the late 1920s, clinker bricks became valued for their unique appearance and design enhancing capability. The James Rutherford House employs clinker bricks on the exterior, making it unusual and distinctive.

A report on the house compiled by the City of Edmonton’s planner says it is “historically significant for its association with the development of Alberta Avenue neighbourhood. This house is indicative of the modest home of a local business owner who operated on 118 Avenue during this period.”

Rutherford was the owner of hardware store at 9574 118th Avenue. He lived in the house from its construction in 1927 until 1935. “As a local merchant, Rutherford would have been an important local resident, especially during the Depression when the kindness and generosity of local merchants helped many to survive,” the report says.

The name Alberta Avenue first came into use in 1904, the year before Alberta became a province. The name Alberta comes from the wife of the Marquess of Lorne, Governor General for Canada, from 1878 to 1883. Her name was HRH Princess Louise Caroline Alberta, and she was the fourth daughter of Queen Victoria.

The neighborhoods surrounding 118th Avenue are some of the oldest and most diverse in Edmonton. They had their start just after Alberta became a province, when the communities of Eastwood, Parkdale, Spruce Avenue, Westwood, Delton and Alberta Avenue were surveyed.

The area around Alberta Avenue became home for thousands of newcomers who were arriving in the rapidly growing city. They poured into what was then Edmonton's northern suburbs, creating a smorgasbord of ethnic diversity that has evolved and endured to this day.

It was a multi cultural and diverse neighbourhood when Rutherford moved into his new home in 1927, and the avenue was alive with activity and excitement. Streetcars trundled up 95th Street to the avenue, and turned and headed east to 66th Street.

The streetcars were the catalyst that gave Alberta Avenue its edge right from the first day they arrived in 1909. The streetcars operated until 1951, when Edmonton Transit replaced them with trolleys and, more recently, diesel buses.

The house that Rutherford owned was built atop a concrete foundation. Outside walls were constructed with brick. The Craftsman influenced house features large windows on its west façade with decorative brick sills and lintels. All windows on the front facade are single hung wood framed windows with decorative vertical and horizontal mullions, the heritage planner’s report states. Windows on the sides are both single hung and small casement windows.

Up and down the streets near the James Rutherford Residence, the architectural legacy of the early days of the 20th century is still to be found in great American four-square style houses with enormous front verandas. More modest bungalows and semi-bungalows tell the story of housing that was built in the oil-driven boom of the late 1940s and 1950s.

More than a century after the first immigrants arrived, the endowment of ethnic diversity is reflected in many ethnic businesses that may be found along and near Alberta Avenue. International influences include Polish, Italian, Portuguese, Chinese, Latin American and Caribbean.

As it has been since the beginning, immigrant Canadians are owners and operators of some of the avenue's most successful grocery stores, bakeries, pawn shops, gift shops and salons. The Alberta Avenue district has one of Edmonton's highest concentrations of ethnic business ownership.

Eighty-two years after its construction, the James Rutherford Residence retains most of its original features. The city report says restoration work is needed on the roof, foundation, and exterior, including re-pointing of the original brick work and painting of windows, rafter tails and trim.

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/\ I'm confused. They show a picture of The Rutherford House on the U Campus, but say the address is 117th Ave and 96th Street. So did they move the house to the U Campus, or is the James Rutherford house something different, and is still located at the original address?
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Wrong house. Rutherford House, as shown in the picture was built by Alexander Cameron Rutherford in 1911
He was the first premier of alberta
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Fort Road?

Does anyone have more information on this tower?

http://www.edmonton.ca/city_government/news/2009/13249.aspx
     
     
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Does anyone have more information on this tower?

http://www.edmonton.ca/city_government/news/2009/13249.aspx
that is a conceptual image

Communitas (developer) bought land and is "proceeding" in the next year or 2 with a tower that likely isnt even very far along in design.
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that is a conceptual image

Communitas (developer) bought land and is "proceeding" in the next year or 2 with a tower that likely isnt even very far along in design.
Looks like Phase 5 of WEM... outdoor water park in NE Edmonton?

I'd be interested to see some detail on this...
     
     
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Wrong house. Rutherford House, as shown in the picture was built by Alexander Cameron Rutherford in 1911
He was the first premier of alberta
That's what I thought. I wonder why they made it confusing? No stock image readily available?
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it is a symbol associated with crime, drugs, prost, etc. Remove it and it goes a long way to making the area come together.

similar to when the cecil got demo'd
agreed about the cecil. while i'm not by the cromdale all that often, as 240 says, he is and not to mention there are many other community individuals who really just want the thing torn down. It's unfortunate that an old building such as this needs that but it's just what needs to be done. If we cut the homeless, prostitutes, and addicts off at the source (the cromdale) they are less likely to be in the area and imo it is key (the cromdale demolished) for redevelopment in that area, same with how sobeys did on 104st. look at that area now ... thriving.
     
     
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I've been inside the Rutherford House before. My dad and stepmother got married there.

Isn't Corona Cafe the coffeeshop place that was on the NE corner of the Mayfair before it had be evicted due to the Mayfair's problems?
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