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Old Posted Apr 14, 2009, 2:48 PM
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WestJet eyes smaller planes
BRENT JANG

Globe and Mail Update

April 14, 2009 at 7:24 AM EDT

TRANSPORTATION REPORTER

After faithfully ordering workhorse Boeing 737s over the past 13 years, WestJet Airlines Ltd. WJA-T is studying the merits of adding smaller planes, envisaging a bold departure from its single-fleet strategy.

The Calgary-based carrier, founded in 1996 with just three Boeing 737s, is pondering using smaller aircraft for regional routes as it develops contingency plans in case Air Canada and its Jazz affiliate scale back service.

WestJet has 78 Boeing 737s in its fleet, and by 2013, it expects to take delivery of 43 more of the jets, which seat between 119 and 166 passengers, depending on the series.

But as WestJet evolves, it needs to consider taking the step of ordering smaller planes, said Bob Cummings, WestJet's executive vice-president of guest experience and marketing.

"We would be remiss if we weren't looking at certain scenarios," said Mr. Cummings, declining to say whether WestJet is interested in planes built by Montreal-based Bombardier Inc., Brazil's Embraer SA or other firms.

He said WestJet is revisiting its single-fleet strategy, but he played down any direct links between the carrier's study of a second fleet and speculation from some industry analysts that Montreal-based Air Canada's financial woes could force it to further shrink its network and also disrupt Jazz Air Income Fund.

National Bank Financial Inc. analyst David Newman said yesterday that Jazz may slash its monthly distribution of 8.38 cents a unit by half for the next nine months, as the Halifax-based regional airline tries to conserve cash to help refinance a $115-million borrowing deal maturing next February. He said Jazz, which flies on behalf of Air Canada, could potentially offer its services to WestJet.

Mr. Cummings declined to comment about Jazz, but in general, he emphasized that WestJet prefers internal growth over mergers and acquisitions.

WestJet has plenty of growth opportunities to deploy Boeing 737s in Canada, Mexico and the Caribbean, without even factoring in Jazz's turbulence and the possibility of debt-ridden Air Canada filing for bankruptcy protection, he said.

"We don't feel any time pressure to go to a second fleet," he said in an interview from Calgary. "But there is definitely a tipping point where this organization needs to seriously consider going to a second fleet. It just makes sense that in the life cycle of this organization, we would move beyond the consideration phase."

Devoting itself to one aircraft model, WestJet has been able to keep maintenance costs in check, and pilots can also be rescheduled on shifts without worrying about retraining.

But WestJet's strength is its corporate culture, and the competitive advantage of friendly service would be "transferable to a second fleet," Mr. Cummings said. "We believe we would do well in shorter-haul markets."

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Old Posted Apr 14, 2009, 2:54 PM
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I remember when Embraer brought either a 175 or 190 through YYC and had it over at the Westjet hangars a few years ago.
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 14, 2009, 3:29 PM
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Edmonton International Airport

Passenger Statistics for March 2009

Highlights

¨ Overall 526,699 passengers

¨ Domestic 373,377 passengers

¨ Transborder 98,403 passengers

¨ International 54,919 passengers

¨ Rolling 12 Month 6,392,444


Growth%

¨ Overall -3.7%

¨ Domestic -9.1%

¨ Transborder 20.5%

¨ International 0.6%
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 14, 2009, 4:05 PM
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Transborder... wow.

I suppose a 3.7% slip is not that bad considering the economy and how many companies (like mine) have put travel restrictions of their staff. How are we faring compared to other airports ?
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 14, 2009, 4:09 PM
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here are how US airlines are doing..
US MARCH TRAFFIC; CAUTIOUS INTERPRETATION

For the attention of C Thomas 7 April 2009


US TRAFFIC FALLS BY (8.9%)
After the PR triumph of the the London G20, economic gardeners are scouring the landscape for signs of those emerging green shoots. Should their attention turn to the latest data from US airlines they may see some cause, if not for celebration, then at least for cautious optimism.
The record for the 14 largest national airlines which account for around half of all traffic shows:
- a pax decrease in March of (8.9%) which has not been adjusted for the early Easter in 2008
- a pax decrease in February of (8.8%) which has been adjusted for the 2008 leap year.
Like with Like Comparisons

There is danger in giving the March data the benefit of a couple of percentage points for Easter and then applauding a welcome slowdown. It lies in the obsession with growth and growth rates because the February/March comparison is not like with like. It was in March last year that the direction of US traffic changed; passenger numbers fell a percentage point. While in February of 2008 the growth engine was still running. The March 2009 (8.9%) is on a much lower base figure.

The reality of last month's traffic is that it is now at a level which is some six percentage points lower than it was in 2006.

get a fuller US report through this link


The Leading Airlines in the USA
None of the individual airline reports has been adjusted for special calendar factors. The change of importance follows the new reporting convention for Delta which consolidates all traffic reporting under a single corporate entity.
Delta Airlines; USA
Passenger numbers for the month are down by -11.5% ...
Southwest Airlines; USA
Latest report shows passengers down by -3.5% ...
American Airlines; USA
Latest report shows passengers down by -9.9% ...
Continental Airlines; USA
Just reported: passenger numbers drop by -10.2% ...
US Airways; USA
Just reported: passenger numbers drop by -8% ...
United Airlines; USA
Passenger numbers for the month are down by -13.7% ...
AirTran; USA
Passenger numbers for the month are down by -6.7% ...
JetBlue; USA
Just reported: passenger numbers drop by -4.4% ...
Republic Airlines; USA
Most recent for the month: throughput rises by 1.9% ...
American Eagle; USA
Just reported: passenger numbers drop by -7.3% ...
Alaska Airlines; USA
Latest report shows passengers down by -12.6% ...
Frontier Airlines; USA
Just reported: passenger numbers drop by -16.3% ...
Horizon Air; USA
Just reported: passenger numbers drop by -15.5% ...
Allegiant Air; USA
Splendid total passenger growth achieved for the month: 18.5% ...
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 14, 2009, 6:46 PM
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just got back from flying

YEG-MSP-EWR

Again, YEG rates very very high to me now. MSP was quite nice but wow are those 'wings' for gates long.

EWR is just not great at all, but granted it is older.

Oh and cab fares... i will never — about them again.

Newark to Man with tolls all in with tip was $80 USD each way.

nice to be home
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 14, 2009, 6:56 PM
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^ You know, there are such thing as trains into Penn Station. $13 if I remember correctly. Rather fast to grab a cab once your in the city.

If you think EWR is old and cramped, have you ever flown out of LGA?
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 14, 2009, 7:19 PM
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^no but Logan was awful.
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 14, 2009, 7:23 PM
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^ I flew through MSP a couple months ago, and some parts of the terminal are really starting to show their age now. It isn't the airport it was even five years ago. Not bad, but not great. I still think the best major airport in the US is Denver by a country mile.
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 14, 2009, 7:33 PM
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just got back from flying

YEG-MSP-EWR

Again, YEG rates very very high to me now. MSP was quite nice but wow are those 'wings' for gates long.

EWR is just not great at all, but granted it is older.

Oh and cab fares... i will never — about them again.

Newark to Man with tolls all in with tip was $80 USD each way.

nice to be home
I remember paying over $100 for my cab from DFW to my hotel which was located on the south side of Ft Worth, and that was in 1994. Cab fares to / from YEG are very reasonable.
     
     
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Of interest to all my amigo's.

Top 5 Canadian Passenger numbers from MMUN (Cancun) International airport.

Numbers are from our ASUR records for 2008.

1.)Montreal 84,005

2.)Toronto 82,090

3.)Vancouver 80,898

4.)Edmonton 79,955

5.)Calgary 79,923

Hope you are all doing well...
     
     
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Hola senor, those are great numbers from Edmonton-based passengers.
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 18, 2009, 10:51 PM
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Of interest to all my amigo's.

Top 5 Canadian Passenger numbers from MMUN (Cancun) International airport.

Numbers are from our ASUR records for 2008.

1.)Montreal 84,005

2.)Toronto 82,090

3.)Vancouver 80,898

4.)Edmonton 79,955

5.)Calgary 79,923

Hope you are all doing well...
muoy bien, amigo.
     
     
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I ran into a lot of Edmontonians in Cancun when I was there a few years ago.

Those are impressive numbers for Edmonton considering it's still cheaper to fly to Cancun via Calgary on many carriers.
     
     
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I was happy to contribute to those numbers.
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 19, 2009, 3:58 AM
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Of interest to all my amigo's.

Top 5 Canadian Passenger numbers from MMUN (Cancun) International airport.

Numbers are from our ASUR records for 2008.

1.)Montreal 84,005

2.)Toronto 82,090

3.)Vancouver 80,898

4.)Edmonton 79,955

5.)Calgary 79,923

Hope you are all doing well...
very impressive numbers... interesting that all of the top 5 are within ~4,000
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 19, 2009, 11:33 AM
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I ran into a lot of Edmontonians in Cancun when I was there a few years ago.

Those are impressive numbers for Edmonton considering it's still cheaper to fly to Cancun via Calgary on many carriers.
I believe those numbers would probably include people traveling YEG-YYC-CUN under Edmonton, not Calgary. The practice is usually to count Origin and Destination travelers, regardless of routing.
     
     
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^ That's just it though, you can still drive to Calgary and get a cheaper flight on many carriers, and a lot of people still do that.
     
     
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^ That's just it though, you can still drive to Calgary and get a cheaper flight on many carriers, and a lot of people still do that.
alot of people i know do that exactly, park the vehicle at relatives/friends place
     
     
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That should be extremely discouraged as it really hurts YEG's pax and ability to get more/better flights. Personally, you couldn't pay me to fly through YYC, my time is much too valuable and openly voice that to people that consider driving to YYC (or connecting via YYC). We should urge people to connect via the US/Mexico City/London if at all possible to ensure these trans border and international flights do as good as possible.
     
     
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