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A bit off topic but do you think a ski hill in the city would do well, I find this idea very intriguing and something that the city could caitalize on.
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I think a trip to Winnipeg might be in order.
Winnipeg or Victoria.
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A bit off topic but do you think a ski hill in the city would do well, I find this idea very intriguing and something that the city could caitalize on.
YES!

I think that the current area where the city landfill is would make a great area for a ski hill. The only thing is we need to build it a little bigger. I think it will eventually happen... but it could be 20 years down the road.
     
     
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I think that the current area where the city landfill is would make a great area for a ski hill. The only thing is we need to build it a little bigger. I think it will eventually happen... but it could be 20 years down the road.
Think of the potential! They could develop it to be a fantastic ski hill, maybe have two or three hills of different difficulties, then transform the surrounding area into a large natural urban reserve for cross country skiing and other events that could happen, and this would FINALLY allow for development to occur in the south end of the city! Think of it Saskatoon the great get away equipped with a white water park, bike/jog trails, skiidoing/boating area, ski hill, hmmm what's next
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Construction delay

Gov't must change legislation before projects can proceed

By David Hutton, The StarPhoenixMarch 12, 2009 9:01 AMComments (2)
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Artist's drawing of Lake Placid developmentPhotograph by: artist rendition, The StarPhoenixTwo of the biggest private developments in the province, both slated for downtown Saskatoon, are awaiting a crucial change in provincial legislation to allow them to move forward.

Stoneset Equities is expected to start construction of an $80-million, 28-storey residential tower next to the police station this summer, while Lake Placid Developments CEO Michael Lobsinger has told the city his company has secured financing on his $200-million-plus Urban Village.

But both projects need a change in legislation that would introduce "strata" land titles to allow for separate condo corporations to operate on the same site. At present, land titles can only be issued for one condo corporation for each parcel of land, which can hold up financing for multi-use developments.

Stoneset's project, The Lighthouse, will combine market-driven condominiums with shelter and assisted living units above an underground parking lot and retail space.

"The way it sits now you're only allowed to put on one condo title," said Stoneset CEO Tony Argento. "It makes it really difficult, especially when there's going to be some retail and commercial development. Strata titles allow us to segregate so each condo company can have their own fees and their own board and manage themselves."

Similar legislation has been passed in most other provinces, said Crown Corporations Minister Ken Cheveldayoff.

It would also bring about changes in how land titles are issued for parking garages, which would likely receive separate strata titles if the legislation is passed.

Cheveldayoff said he expects the legislation to be brought forward this spring as his office and the Justice Ministry are working on drafts and studying other jurisdictions. But the need for the legislation has been accelerated by the Lake Placid project, he said.

"Anyone who attempts to bring $207-million to our city and our province, I think deserves any co-operation they can get from government," Cheveldayoff said of the Lake Placid project. "I've made it a priority to ensure that this goes forward."

Lake Placid Developments has paid two downpayments for the site south of 19th Street, across from Persephone Theatre, and is paying interest on the amount owing.

The company plans include a hotel, condominiums, retail, office space and a parking garage, so strata legislation is needed.

The developer has assured city administration it has financing in place for the project and is awaiting the change in legislation, said Mayor Don Atchison.

"It's not just about Lake Placid, it's that we want to get caught up to the rest of the nation," Atchison said.

There has been increased demand for this type of land title as more out-of-province developers -- who are used to strata land titles -- have eyed Saskatoon for large projects, said city solicitor Theresa Dust.

"It's a different way of designing and financing and selling off buildings than we are used to in Saskatchewan," she said. "The city has alerted the province to the fact that we expect more of this."

Stoneset's Argento, who expects the "bubble" surrounding the Saskatoon economy to continue, said the legislation is crucial for Saskatchewan to attract outside developers.

"I think because of the way the whole economy is going in Saskatchewan you're going to get a lot of development happening," he said. "You're going to run into these type of development issues more and more so I think the time is right to get it done now."

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Saskatoon hot spot for first-time homebuyers


By Cassandra Kyle, The StarPhoenixMarch 12, 2009 9:01 AMComments (1)

Market conditions for first-time homebuyers in Saskatoon have improved during the past 12 months, says a report prepared by Re/Max.

The national real estate agency's 2009 first-time buyers report says entry-level purchasers in Saskatchewan's largest city are ideally positioned to buy a home due to new opportunities and incentives to sign on the dotted line.

Re/Max says the starting price for a single-detached home in Saskatoon this year is $190,000, down from $215,000 in 2008. The starting price for a one-bedroom condominium is $121,000 in 2009, a drop from $139,000 last year, the company said.

Harry Janzen, executive officer with the Saskatoon Region Association of Realtors (SRAR), said Re/Max's report is right in that 2009 is a better time for first-time buyers than recent years. A drop in the price of homes, plus a real estate market correction, has created favourable conditions for entry-level purchasers, he said.

"With housing prices having come down somewhat and this whole correction process, that has put purchasing a home much more in range for some people who had got caught in that upswing of home prices increasing," Janzen said. "It certainly makes it easier for people to qualify."

The top first-time buyer communities in Saskatoon, according to the report, include Mount Royal, Mayfair and Hudson Bay Park on the west side of the city and Avalon and Nutana on the east end. Janzen said there's no confusion as to why lower-priced homes -- with the exception of Nutana -- appeal to first-time buyers.

"The reason why they (new buyers) would have selected those areas is typically because those are more the lower-priced areas. They're more core neighbourhoods with prices being less than you would certainly find in Lakeview or Briarwood, etc.," he said.

Nutana, on the other hand, may not be on the lower end of home prices in the city, but is attractive to younger homeowners because of its history and proximity to areas such as Broadway and downtown, Janzen added.

In Regina, the starting price for a single-detached home has been pegged by Re/Max at $210,000 for 2009, a decrease from $225,000 in 2008. The starting price for a two-bedroom condominium in the provincial capital, said the agency, is set at $150,000 this year, an increase from $139,000 in 2008.

The real estate agency said both cities are leaning toward a buyers' market. A larger number of homes up for sale means homebuyers of all types have the upper hand, Janzen said.

"The reason why we have a buyers' market is because we have the increased inventory levels . . . and, therefore, it provides more selection for buyers, and certainly sellers have to be a little more competitive if their home is going to be the home of choice. So, therefore, buyers are very well-positioned," he said.

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I don't think the provincial legislature will be of any concern with these projects, SK and Saskatoon want things to continue to boost the economy and they will do whatever it takes. As well this could spawn additional interest in the area by developers who are accustomed to this way of developing.

Check out today's SP, there are some articles talking about what councellors want for the city and their vision. My favourite is Pat Lorje, she talks about how there are all of these activities developing along the perimeter of the d/t but nothing at the heart of it. She further suggests that makine 21 st. a pedestrian only road will really secure that area as the heart of the downtown and really reinforce pedestrian use. GO PAT! I'm all for this and REALLY REALLY REALLY hope this eventually materializes, it will be better then Calgary's steven ave., why? B/c this is one of the major roads in d/t. This would send a very clear message as to where Saskatoon is going with development...PEDESTRIANS RULE, hopefully we can say bye to the auto.
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I'm encouraged to see that these two projects are still tentatively a go.
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Every month it seems there is some new delay with these projects. No wonder no one has built anything downtown in the last 20 years, everything has to go through 20 approvals using outdated and archaic guidelines. The city and the government just makes everything way more complicated then it needs to be. Lake Placid in particular has been in development for what? like three years? and no one gave this any thought?
     
     
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Interesting find on the upcoming coucil meeting agenda (starts page 162)...

here is a quick blurb.....

"....From a big picture perspective, it is important for Council to realize that the viability and success of the existing Holiday Inn Express hotel at ldylwyld and 251h street West plays an integral role in our ability to proceed with our proposed hotel development for 101 Pacific Avenue (across from TCU Place). The fact of the matteris that our company is prepared to move forward with this $42 Million landmark high-rise hotel development (see attached rendering), but can only do so if we can gain some assurance that the Holiday Inn Express will be performing at similar levels to what it has proven to do in the past. We want Council to be "crystal clear" on the matter that the ability to develop one is highly dependant on the
ability of the other one to continue to operate in an environment that provides the flow of traffic that can support the necessary occupancies. There is no reason to believe that this would not occur, other than if someone was to cut-off that flow of traffic by dramatically changing what is already there. What is being proposed is not unlike a small retailer in downtown being told that 50% of his customers will now have to enter and exit through the back alley, and that they are responsible to figure out how to
get there. This is simply unimaginable.
On March 301h, Council will be asked to approve a recommendation by the Municipal Planning Commission to change the zoning on a lane that is required to proceed with the development at 101 Pacific Avenue. This issue represents one of the final hurdles for this new development to occur. The
bottom line is that drawings are being finalized, contractors are being considered, financinp has been fullv committed, and construction is slated to begin this fall. Together these two hotel operations will
employ upwards of 150 people and produce annual property taxes in the neighborhood of $750,000 per year for the city (including the $143,250 proposed increase that the Express is experiencing this year due
to the advent of the income approach). Private sector investments such as these should be encouraged, not stymied, and it is incumbent on the Administration to ensure that they develop infrastructure
solutions that are a "win-win" for everyone involved. It can't just be all about building new roads and police stations while knowingly adversely affecting businesses and residents of those communities that pay for those roads and police stations. It can't just be about taking the first thing that Canadian Pacific comes back to the table with because they are afraid if they don't, that CP might not come back to the table again. Options must be explored, alternatives must be considered, and we look forward to
meeting representatives from the City once everyone involved has had an opportunity to be informed on what is even being proposed.
Thank you for your careful attention to this matter and we look forward to hearing back from the Administration in the near future.
Jeff Krivoshen /
Director Of Operations
P.R. Hotels Ltd.
Lawrence Rychjohn
President
P.R. Hotels Ltd."

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Also, there is a recommendation that council approve a 5 year tax abaitment for Souleio Foods Inc. From the agenda... (page 33) "a European style market at 263 Third Avenue South. It will offer a full service bakery, fresh meats, deli, grocery and ready-to-eat food selections. It is their position that the store will fill the gap that currently exists for downtown residents, as it will provide access to grocery staples and fresh foods. The store is scheduled to open May 1,2009."
     
     
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Good find Swilley.

I'm not sure what to make of that image. Is that a building ? I don't get it. [/cynicism]
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Good find Swilley.

I'm not sure what to make of that image. Is that a building ? I don't get it. [/cynicism]
I think it is a ghost building Probably figured they needed to include a picture of some sort to demonstrate that they are serious and found this sketch on an old napkin somewhere. It is so vague that you could build almost anything and say, "yep that's what we planned".

What are they talking about in the first paragraph quoted? The 25th street extension, or is there some other major change planned for Idlwyld?
     
     
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long time lurker here... first post

i for one am a huge fan of the proposed hotel, although I don't expect all of you to be, haha
It's unique and bold, and unlike anything else we have in Saskatoon. It's hard to say it's modern, however, but it looks like it comes from an era of architecture that the city missed, making it work. Plus those vertical windows are stellar.

please build it....
     
     
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Are you sure those are windows? I think the buillding looks like a bunch of leftover lego pieces, or maybe a transformer, but to each his own.
     
     
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i don't know what to think of that it looks like it could have came from the 1950's in the brutalist age but it also looks almost modernish, color would sure help the picture out
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I think it is a ghost building Probably figured they needed to include a picture of some sort to demonstrate that they are serious and found this sketch on an old napkin somewhere. It is so vague that you could build almost anything and say, "yep that's what we planned".

What are they talking about in the first paragraph quoted? The 25th street extension, or is there some other major change planned for Idlwyld?
Yeah, they're referring to the proposed re-alignment of 25th Street where it intersects Idylwyld Drive.

Here's a comparison of the old, and newest proposed alignment of 25th Street.


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Basically, CP said no to the City's old alignment because it would interfere with their operations (judging by the above schematics, CP would lose a portion of the rail line that is used for staging rail cars for loading/unloading or detaching/attaching (???).

How often does CP actually use those rails though? I have rarely seen rail cars left on those tracks for any lengthy amount of time. How necessary/vital are they to CP's operations within Saskatoon? Of course they'll give some BS explanation...I wish they would just vacate these lines cutting through the city.

As for the Holiday Inn rendering, I must say the design is certainly unlike anything in our city. I like it. The color and materials will no doubt be of higher quality judging by the unique design.
     
     
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Interesting find on the upcoming coucil meeting agenda (starts page 162)...

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Also, there is a recommendation that council approve a 5 year tax abaitment for Souleio Foods Inc. From the agenda... (page 33) "a European style market at 263 Third Avenue South. It will offer a full service bakery, fresh meats, deli, grocery and ready-to-eat food selections. It is their position that the store will fill the gap that currently exists for downtown residents, as it will provide access to grocery staples and fresh foods. The store is scheduled to open May 1,2009."
kgc087, I think you mentioned a few months ago the owners of Calories were planning to open a grocer in the newly renovated Glengarry Building on 3rd Ave, is this the same one?
     
     
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The Calories crew own the CFCR building up a bit south of the Glengarry. The businesses that were on the first floor have vacated and the ground floor has been gutted. That would be the location in question.
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The Calories crew own the CFCR building up a bit south of the Glengarry. The businesses that were on the first floor have vacated and the ground floor has been gutted. That would be the location in question.
Oh ic, thanks for clearing that up.

That's a good size space for a small grocery store (a bit smaller than the Extra Foods on Broadway?). It stretches from the alley to that brick building at the corner of 3rd and 20th. Google says the floor area is ~4356 square feet. Extra Foods floor area is 6969 square feet.

     
     
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Yah I actually spoke with the owners at xmas time and they said plans are to go full steam ahead which is great. They do fantastic work and bring a really unique feel to anything they do so I hope it gets up and running. As well there focus on using locally grown organic foods is a HUGE bonus!

In regards to the hotel I quite enjoy it! I think it would be super fun if the glass was actually different colours like pinks and blues and greens and yellows, it would certainly brighten up our drab downtown during the winter. How many floors does that look like? 14? the only critique I have is the huge brick/concrete inanimate box which is about 3 floors high along the base. Not appealing AT ALL and would really give a harsh look to the streetscape, unless they used it for signage and banners.
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Yah I actually spoke with the owners at xmas time and they said plans are to go full steam ahead which is great. They do fantastic work and bring a really unique feel to anything they do so I hope it gets up and running. As well there focus on using locally grown organic foods is a HUGE bonus!

In regards to the hotel I quite enjoy it! I think it would be super fun if the glass was actually different colours like pinks and blues and greens and yellows, it would certainly brighten up our drab downtown during the winter. How many floors does that look like? 14? the only critique I have is the huge brick/concrete inanimate box which is about 3 floors high along the base. Not appealing AT ALL and would really give a harsh look to the streetscape, unless they used it for signage and banners.
Yeah, I was going to say 12-14.

Probably 2-3 floors of heated/secure parking. I hope they can liven it up, as you say, with signage/banners, something
     
     
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And here is the rendering...




What a monstrosity!! Need I say more?
     
     
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