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Old Posted Feb 22, 2009, 10:31 AM
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I think the point should be to attract management type people. We are such a young population that the kind of management that companies are looking for are hard to find in utah. When trying to break down the cultural stereo types, we should be showing our family oriented society (mormon or not it doesnt matter), and having attractive opportunities in recreational/night life. We pretty much have everything that someone could want, but we dont even get a chance to show them because of what people have heard. I mean it doesnt help either that people think a show like big love is how all of utah is.
As long as we're talking all families and not just the "traditional" type. We need to make all families feel welcome here in Utah/Salt Lake City.


Arrow Press Square street frontage reminds me a Sugar House. It would be a tragedy to lose this as well:
     
     
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As long as we're talking all families and not just the "traditional" type. We need to make all families feel welcome here in Utah/Salt Lake City.


Arrow Press Square street frontage reminds me a Sugar House. It would be a tragedy to lose this as well:
Urbanboy:

You're absolutely right...on both fronts. (1) For SLC to become a vibrant city, all walks of life need to be welcomed. Thank God for Chris Buttars! He is the best thing the alternative life-styles have going for them. Takes one fool like Buttars to overcome mountains of hate. From earlier times, George Wallace served the same purpose for the civil rights movement.

(2) Preserved little patches of a time gone by, like Arrow Press, dappled across the SLC CBD, will greatly strengthen the fabric of the city.
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 22, 2009, 4:24 PM
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#500 is for you, T-Mac

T-Mac: When I realized I was near 500 posts on this forum, I wanted to save my 500th for your next picture bump. I'm glad I did.

The pics showing the Tower #1 crane getting bumped up are really fun. Been a tower crane geek for years, but have never seen a crane actually getting bumped up until today. Many thanks.

Over the last 13 months, I have raved continually about the ART in your pictures. Today, you took that art to a new level. The pic of the Red Tower crane in the foreground, with the Temple spires in the background, is truly a work of art. With your permission, I would like to print that picture, frame it, and hang it on one of the walls in my office...of course, no one Georgia will have no idea what the picture refers to, but at least I will get to look at it occasionally.

My sincere thanks for your time, effort, and talent.
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 22, 2009, 5:16 PM
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RFPCME, thank you for the compliments. I would love to have you print the picture and enjoy it. There are various sizes of the picture on flickr if you didn't already know. Hope all is well with you in Georgia.
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 22, 2009, 5:34 PM
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I must say that Hyatt Gateway is gorwing on me. I love the triangle at the top It does have a tiny bit of domension on the front. I'm thinking it will look attractive if they use a dark, rich colored stuco and some nice stones and/or bricks on the front facade. I think it will turn out alright after all.
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 22, 2009, 9:58 PM
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Alright, here is the clip from High School Musical 3 showing Salt Lake City's skyline.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-_BPyjhs9Q

Also, I was at Blockbuster in Tooele with my friend, and they actually had a copy of Lightspeed, where they supposedly destroy one of the levels of the Wells Fargo Tower. I haven't rented it or watched it, but I plan to soon.
     
     
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Just a fun development idea:




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Old Posted Feb 22, 2009, 10:51 PM
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Just a fun development idea:

It looks good, from a mixed us stand point, but where is it?
     
     
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Sandy...

No, just kidding

It's near the intersection of Main Street and 100 South in Downtown SLC.
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 23, 2009, 12:02 AM
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Sandy...

No, just kidding

It's near the intersection of Main Street and 100 South in Downtown SLC.
That would be awesome in Sandy!!!!!
JK of course.
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 23, 2009, 12:20 AM
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Old Posted Feb 23, 2009, 3:07 AM
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ah, sorry. I feel that Holladay or some city closer to downtown could use half of Sandy's buildings.
but since that's not the case and Sandy has a lot of development in it already I think they should stick to nothing taller then 200 feet and get at least eight buildings of that height in a centralized area before they begin to act like what Oakland is to San fran.
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 23, 2009, 6:58 PM
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I think that Sandy is a case that is not going to go away...

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ah, sorry. I feel that Holladay or some city closer to downtown could use half of Sandy's buildings.
but since that's not the case and Sandy has a lot of development in it already I think they should stick to nothing taller then 200 feet and get at least eight buildings of that height in a centralized area before they begin to act like what Oakland is to SF.
Salt Lake City is THE city. It is nationally and internationally recognized. I would not worry about Sandy. It is what it is and if it draws the kind of business that can create a viable skyline then what are you going to do? Nothing. As far as acting like Oakland to San Francisco...you really can't be serious. There is nothing to worry about.

SLC has passed a few obstacles in how it is relatively viewed. Many people look to the World Almanac, which definitely publishes the most up to date urban specifications from the Census bureau. It used to see SLC as 189,000 people and people judged it as that. The true value of a consolidated statistical area was not the understood aspect. Not anymore...people see SLC as an aggregate populace area that is large and growing fast. Unless you live there, Sandy etc are not even considered.

The viability of SLC revamping its urban core downtown is HUGE. It is a core with history...deep history and finally the city itself sees the true need of its success.

I know that NYC is not a fair comparison but no matter what area you look at outside of the 5 borough area there are MANY high rise structures from Westchester county (White Plains north of the City) to the many cities in New Jersey i.e. Newark, , Jersey City and on and well out into Long Island.

The reason that I say this is because they may not be in NYC but their viability to have the buildings is needed. I think the same thing is true in any urban area.

I cannot see how you would want to but a height limit on Sandy. It is part of the urban experience that we see today. They are far from an SLC threat.

SLC never incorporated their outlying suburbs as many other cities did 10-30 years ago.

You brought up Oakland to SF as an example but it is basically the same as NYC to its neighbors or Seattle to its outlying areas. The DT core is full or almost full.

Oakland has its buildings because they have their own business and since they are a bridge away from SF, they can maintain a close business core that still has viable DT space.

I would not worry about Sandy...SLC is the straw that stirs the drink...the DT will evolve into an exciting place to be and the ability to understand the elements and value for this central core is no longer a sideline but a dedicated goal.
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 23, 2009, 11:25 PM
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SLC has passed a few obstacles in how it is relatively viewed. Many people look to the World Almanac, which definitely publishes the most up to date urban specifications from the Census bureau. It used to see SLC as 189,000 people and people judged it as that. The true value of a consolidated statistical area was not the understood aspect. Not anymore...people see SLC as an aggregate populace area that is large and growing fast. Unless you live there, Sandy etc are not even considered.

The viability of SLC revamping its urban core downtown is HUGE. It is a core with history...deep history and finally the city itself sees the true need of its success.

I know that NYC is not a fair comparison but no matter what area you look at outside of the 5 borough area there are MANY high rise structures from Westchester county (White Plains north of the City) to the many cities in New Jersey i.e. Newark, , Jersey City and on and well out into Long Island.

The reason that I say this is because they may not be in NYC but their viability to have the buildings is needed. I think the same thing is true in any urban area.



SLC never incorporated their outlying suburbs as many other cities did 10-30 years ago.

You brought up Oakland to SF as an example but it is basically the same as NYC to its neighbors or Seattle to its outlying areas. The DT core is full or almost full.

Oakland has its buildings because they have their own business and since they are a bridge away from SF, they can maintain a close business core that still has viable DT space.

I would not worry about Sandy...SLC is the straw that stirs the drink...the DT will evolve into an exciting place to be and the ability to understand the elements and value for this central core is no longer a sideline but a dedicated goal.
Salt Lake City is THE city. It is nationally and internationally recognized. I would not worry about Sandy. It is what it is and if it draws the kind of business that can create a viable skyline then what are you going to do? Nothing.


I never said I wanted to do anything with zoning changes it's simply what I think Sandy should do if it's going to create a downtown area. a suggestion with no intent on creating zoning changes just two cents.


I cannot see how you would want to but a height limit on Sandy. It is part of the urban experience that we see today. They are far from an SLC threat.

You made A LOT of assumptions in your post. Like I said earlier I don't want a height restriction. My post was geared towards Urban Logic who likes to compare Sandy to Oakland I was not making that comparison simply addressing something HE, not me, brought up earlier. I bet if you would have skimmed back even two pages you would have realized that.
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 23, 2009, 11:32 PM
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I too wouldn't ever suggest putting height restrictions on Sandy, although if I'm not mistaken there is a height limit of 15 floors between I-15 and the little city hall to Mall parkway, and 10 stories between the parkway and State.

I think Sandy will develop in a more practical manner than the proposed proscenium proposal. There has obviously been a need for office space in "downtown" Sandy and that isn't going to change. Jordan Common (RIP LHM) is 10 stories and the new buildings in the downtown area are mostly around 8, if I'm not mistaken. As the demand grows towers will start to reach 10, 12 and 15 stories (all while DT SLC reaches 25, 30 and 35 stories). I would imagine that if we could look 20-40 years in the future the majority of Sandy between I-15 and State and 90th and 106th S will be a nice mix of offices, entertainment, retail and housing. I wouldn't be surprised to see ST mall bite the dust in that 40 years either, to make way for a more walkable downtown Sandy.

Don't think I am promoting Sandy over SLC or anything. In that same 40 years I would expect the SLC skyline to grow east, west, south and up, including yet another retail destination, and sports destination on the south and or west side of the city.
     
     
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Realistically, how many people in sandy are going to support buildings that are over 150-200 ft tall anyway?
Developers can present their pie in the sky proposals all they want, but the reality is.. Suburban neighborhoods are not going to want these types of buildings to look at outside of their backyards towering over their neighborhoods... Public outcry will sidebar many tall proposals in places like sandy... it's just a fact...if it doesn't.. then there's a lot of stupid people there that aren't concerned with their own property values...
     
     
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Arrowpress Square
Not the best shot as I was rushing by.

Great pics, as always, T-Mac!
One quick clarification: The image above is of Dinwoody Plaza (55 West 100 South), which is a location distinct from Arrowpress Square (165 South West Temple). The square is around the corner from the plaza, and they are almost connected.... but not quite.
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 24, 2009, 5:16 AM
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The area I've been been referring to as Arrow Press Square includes all the arrow press square buildings as well as the Dinwoody plaza. However, it does not include the Dinwoody building which is currently Zion's Bank and has a large arch formation painted on it's west wall.

     
     
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ah, sorry. I feel that Holladay or some city closer to downtown could use half of Sandy's buildings.
but since that's not the case and Sandy has a lot of development in it already I think they should stick to nothing taller then 200 feet and get at least eight buildings of that height in a centralized area before they begin to act like what Oakland is to San fran.
What about Fort Union? It has as much office space as Sandy does.

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Like I said earlier I don't want a height restriction. My post was geared towards Urban Logic who likes to compare Sandy to Oakland I was not making that comparison simply addressing something HE, not me, brought up earlier. I bet if you would have skimmed back even two pages you would have realized that.
I love how I set off a whole rant with just a

What's wrong with my comparison? Oakland is twice as close to San Fran than Sandy is to SLC (and most of that distance is water). If anything, I was being generous to use such a comparison. If you read back a few pages, you will see that I used many examples: the Twin Cities (Minneapolis/St. Paul) right across the river from each other, Dallas-Ft. Worth about as far apart as Sandy and SLC, Denver/Denver Tech Center which are closer than Sandy is to SLC.

I say let the Wasatch Front urban area develop freely with some guidence. I think you guys get more scared of Sandy than you need to be. I think that if suburbs like Sandy can boom simultaniously with the SLC central core (as has been the case over the last decade), then let it be. If it begins to become a problem, then we should take action to steer development toward the SLC core. Sandy isn't the scary monster you make it out to be. Calm down.

Seriously, do we have to bring this topic back up again? I don't mean to "control the conversation" by any means, I just feel like we've already been down this route and talked this through. If you really must go through it again, then go ahead.
     
     
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We're so close! For the sake of modern business and tourism I hope this bill makes it all the way..

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