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Old Posted Feb 21, 2009, 4:05 AM
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The Salt Palace is a great convention center.... for a city of salt lake's size.. that is a magnificent convention space... I don't understand the negatives people have...
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 21, 2009, 4:06 AM
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Yup, that was Dead Horse Point, not the Grand Canyon.
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 21, 2009, 4:07 AM
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There is another plaza on the north corner by Symphony Hall where convention goers can sit and enjoy the sun. There is also Temple Square, including the Main Street Plaza.

Having the Convention Center Hotel on the same block will actually be more convenient for those visiting for conventions.
So why not make the salt palace block stand out by having plazas on both corners? It is entirely appropriate and good urban design.

See my previous post about what impact a hotel/convention center has when they are connected. You are right it is convenient, so much so that people will not be inclined to leave and enjoy the city as much.
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 21, 2009, 7:10 AM
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So why not make the salt palace block stand out by having plazas on both corners? It is entirely appropriate and good urban design.

See my previous post about what impact a hotel/convention center has when they are connected. You are right it is convenient, so much so that people will not be inclined to leave and enjoy the city as much.
Look, I'm trying to save Arrow Press Square here, while simultaneously making a convention hotel practical, logical, and feasible.

You really think people will not be inclined to leave the convention center if a convention hotel is built on the same block?

Things to lure people out:
Main Street
Temple Square
Capitol Theater
Gallivan Plaza
Library Square
UMFA
Museum of Natural History
etc.

Coming soon:
CCC
Performing arts center

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Old Posted Feb 21, 2009, 7:33 AM
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You're right. I rotated it 180 degrees and it fits much better that way:

Now that is an attractive looking building! If I was a male building, I'd totally date her I don't know though, 50 stories does see a bit much. San Francisco's highest floor count is currently 60 stories. I suppose hotels (especially convention center ones) can generally support more floors. They generally have shorter levels, and convention center ones can support more tenants. The fact that it's thin could also boost floor counts. Even so, and as much as I would LOVE a 50-floor building, I think something in the 35-40 story range would be more feasible.

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A pretty cool business lure for utah


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I love the traffic shots! Especially the one looking south on I-15 toward down town. They should have done a fly-over of the spagetti bowl

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When showing the culture in Salt Lake City, they should show people drinking and having a good time, as well as people touring Temple Square. It's important that we include everyone.
Great point! It would be great to show them why this state is so unique and possitively represent that uniqueness rather than sweep it under the rug. Then they can show, "See, you can still be yourself here despite the predominant culture" with shots of bars and night life in conjunction with families and Temple Square goers. I don't think that people generally have a problem with Utah in regards to not approving of the culture - they just feel like they will stand out and not fit in. We need to show them that the predominant culture here is nothing to be affraid of, and they can be themselves too.
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 21, 2009, 7:51 AM
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As long as they can get a drink or hold hands in the street without feeling judged.

Also, I don't think ark's rendering of the hotel is really 50 stories. I also did count all the floors, but I think it's mostly just for looks. The hight of the building looks about 40 stories. Residential high-rise scale or course.
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 21, 2009, 8:02 AM
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Yup, that was Dead Horse Point, not the Grand Canyon.
I stand twice corrected then.
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 21, 2009, 1:21 PM
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Urbanboy, I agree with you along with most forumers, that Arrowpress Square should not be destroyed in order to accomodate the convention hotel. If anything, Arrow Press should receive a major shot in the arm with some creative upgrades, that will rienforce it's history and continued viability.

I like the idea of placing the hotel on the northwest corner of 2nd and W.Temple. However, I'm not going to argue with Cololi's comments, and infact have always been a big proponent of an ample supply of parks and plaza's placed throughout downtown.

Yesterday, I was downtown for a couple of hours and decided to take a little tour of several areas of the CBD. One area specifically was the 2nd South corridor. I couldn't help but notice the block of 2nd So., between 2nd and 3rd West. Now, between 3rd and 4th has become very attractive on both sides of the street, with the restoration of the many historical structures now virtually completed. However, that block between 2nd and 3rd, just to the south, across from the palace is still virtually untouched. There were I think two very small historic structures on the south side, that were about to litterally fall down at any moment, Infact, I would not be suprised if they are slated for demoliton in the near future, "it would be nice if they could be dissassembled and rebuilt at another location, as they are quite small and would not pose to overwhelming of a task." Anyway, the point is that the entire face of the 2nd So. block, fronting 2nd and 3rd W. is a prime location for redevelopment. Perhaps, that would be a possibility

If the hotel were to be located on the same property as the convention center itself, I noticed that there are additional plots, which would seem to be suitable and would be doing the street presence a big favor at the same time. We've discussed these at length in the past when talking about a 'Japan Town.'

There were an incredible amount of positives that I noticed yesterday, as I wove my car around the different streets. I would have liked to have walked, since the day was so beautiful, and apparantly many were out walking, as the foot traffic was very noticeable everywhere throughout the CBD. Unfortunately, I had little time, and wanted to cover allot of locations. This brings up an interesting point, which many of you have also mentioned lately. "Forget the old notion that downtown Salt Lake is small and compact."

I was amazed at the change in density and the number of the many ongoing and recently completed projects, which have come to fruition over the past ten years. Since I spend allot of time in downtown L.A, and So. Cal., and especially lately I haven't had the chance to spend too much time in downtown SLC. When I was in Downtown SLC yesterday, I couldn't help but notice the many changes in the same way that the Wasatch Mtn. backdrop astounds me each time that it is reintroduced after an absence.

First, I did walk along 300 East for a bit, and among the many changes and surprising amount of foot traffic, I could not help but notice the Public Safety Building. We have discussed this at length in the past, so I paid particular attention to the look of the building. As has been stated by many, that seemingly dated structure has incredible potential as 'uber chic' residential. Also, the new business class Hyatt at Gateway has allot of positives. I approaced it from the west on No. Temple, and then also circled it a couple of times. It's size at that specific location felt very appropriate and actually quite attractive. It seemed an excellent and proportionate fit. Now of course, it needs to be finished in as creative a fashion as the rendering suggested it would be. The entire Downtown and especially the Gateway District area was bustleing with seeming local resident and business pedestrian traffic, and also gawking conventioneers, with their obvious name tags. TRAX trains were apparant everywhere and at frequent intervals. The many TRAX trains seemed to completely delight the tourists as they were smiling and pointing as TRAX would round an intersection or pass them by. I was struck also by the new LDS library and the beauty of it's stone and southwest corner presentation. It reminded me more of an elegant concert hall than a simple, utilitarian records library.

Something else I noticed was that every surface parking lot downtown was overflowing. From Holding's on the south to the LDS Church lots on the north, and all the little lots in between were jammed. Now, maybe some of this was due to CCC construction, but I can't help but think that at least during the day the CBD's busy factor is bursting at the seams. My best wishes go out to the planners and the apparant need for more underground and stacked parking as the CBD continues it's break-neck redevelopment. Even with the ongoing build-up of mass transit, I had the distinct impression that Downtown is only getting to be more and more of a metro destination w/accompanying autos, as well as a major tourist attraction for the world. When the CCC is completed, SLC is going to have a major human and auto traffic jam on it's hands. Hey, here's to vibrancy!

I could go on and on, but the simple fact was that downtown was a virtual feast of eye grabbing interest. You couldn't help but notice it in the faces of the many convention goers, as they pointed and tried to take in the sights of what might seem the norm to the locals. Attractive, restored ornate history was everywhere, accompanied by a stunning eclectic mix of beautiful new construction, with excellent street presentation. From 300 East to 600 West and 400 South to North Temple was an obvious expanse of vibrant and ongoing change. Considering the size of Salt Lake blocks, that is quite a large area of ongoing development. I can only imagine what it will continue to become as Downtown redevelopment continues to densify so quickly, and also expands to envelop the areas to both the south and also to the east, toward 700/Trolley Square.

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Old Posted Feb 21, 2009, 4:25 PM
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Look, I'm trying to save Arrow Press Square here, while simultaneously making a convention hotel practical, logical, and feasible.

You really think people will not be inclined to leave the convention center if a convention hotel is built on the same block?

Things to lure people out:
Main Street
Temple Square
Capitol Theater
Gallivan Plaza
Library Square
UMFA
Museum of Natural History
etc.

Coming soon:
CCC
Performing arts center
I agree on arrow press. The logic for the skybridge applies to an attached convention hotel. All of the ammenitie you mention apply to both.
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 21, 2009, 10:53 PM
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I think the point should be to attract management type people. We are such a young population that the kind of management that companies are looking for are hard to find in utah. When trying to break down the cultural stereo types, we should be showing our family oriented society (mormon or not it doesnt matter), and having attractive opportunities in recreational/night life. We pretty much have everything that someone could want, but we dont even get a chance to show them because of what people have heard. I mean it doesnt help either that people think a show like big love is how all of utah is.
     
     
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from my phone today, they pretty much suck, i wish my real camera was smaller so i could take it running.







This made me think they should put an amphitheater here...

i mean you get this view, so its a win win, there just is no parking haha
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 22, 2009, 1:14 AM
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The snowy mountains with the cloudless, blue sky is beautiful.
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 22, 2009, 2:20 AM
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Steve, I think the pics are great, even if they are a camera phone. How many miles are you putting in each time and how many times a week?
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 22, 2009, 2:38 AM
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Not the best shot as I was rushing by.

     
     
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Old Posted Feb 22, 2009, 2:40 AM
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Steve, I think the pics are great, even if they are a camera phone. How many miles are you putting in each time and how many times a week?
Thanxs delts! My real camera is just too big to carry around with me, regardless of me running or not.

Today i ran 10 miles, from fort douglas to city creek canyon and back. But i took the trail on the way, which was a bad idea, cause its really muddy haha. Last week was a 16 miler, which was rough as hell. We ran on the Legacy trails by the Legacy highway, when it was snowing ha.

This is my training schudule for the Salt Lake Marathon.

http://www.mysaltlakerunningco.com/saltlake/dept.asp?dept_id=6025 Its a great way to get in shape, if u arnt, and it really helps you get out into the city and see alot of great things
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 22, 2009, 4:27 AM
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Thanks for that link, Steve--I've been running about 15 miles a week, but I've been wanting to ramp things up a bit. Not a whole marathon, but maybe a 10K in the spring. Now I've got a plan.
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Someone should create a "General Discussion" thread and discuss such issues there. Not in this thread.

Just a suggestion.
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Old Posted Feb 22, 2009, 8:08 AM
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Can we call it the "Utah Off Topic Argument Thread"? Urban boy would only ever be in there.. Maybe you could be the moderator Urban Boy? only kidding
     
     
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Ok,.... I havent had a good rant session in a long freaking time, so here goes....

First off I would like to thank those of you on this forum who have provided their time and efforts to get out and take pics of the development in the valley.It's you guys who have kept me sane the past couple of months.

Second off, why is it that I cant come onto this forum anymore without deleting atleast a dozen off-topic posts. Seriously its rather sad lately. I would kindly ask you to please stay on the topic of development as thats what this forum is intended for. I have many of times pointed out the Skybar and other sub-forums on this page for your off-topic interests.

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Old Posted Feb 22, 2009, 9:19 AM
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Ok,.... I havent had a good rant session in a long freaking time, so here goes....

First off I would like to thank those of you on this forum who have provided their time and efforts to get out and take pics of the development in the valley.It's you guys who have kept me sane the past couple of months.

Second off, why is it that I cant come onto this forum anymore without deleting atleast a dozen off-topic posts. Seriously its rather sad lately. I would kindly ask you to please stay on the topic of development as thats what this forum is intended for. I have many of times pointed out the Skybar and other sub-forums on this page for your off-topic interests.

As Always thanks for your time,

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I would like to be the first to apologize if any of my posts were off topic.

On topic: I have now noticed the construction of facades of other structures, in addition to 222 S. Main, seem to take longer than I have experienced. Would this have to do with seismic requirements?
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