Winnipeg | Historical discussion

[Harmonyman]

Originally Posted by rgalston

The only one I know of was the fire chief's house--looked like your average c.1890s/1900s Winnipeg two-storey house. It was immediately beside the fire hall. Don't know if it was specifically built to be where the chief lived, or if it just built, and became used as such.

Interesting view from the north...
http://www.flickr.com/photos/25944694@N07/3246606902/in/set-72157613255204300/

[1ajs]

nice

heres one of the squre in its early days



aww sweet


a nice north main one i see

[flatlander]

^^cool angle. I am going to have to look into this further.

[rgalston]

That looks just like the public WC's that were on Main and Logan, and Main and Selkirk. Maybe it was one, I just never heard of/seen it in the Henderson's.

Too bad Albert Street didn't still run all the way to William Ave.

[flatlander]

Originally Posted by rgalston

That looks just like the public WC's that were on Main and Logan, and Main and Selkirk. Maybe it was one, I just never heard of/seen it in the Henderson's.

Too bad Albert Street didn't still run all the way to William Ave.

That's what I was thinking (about the WCs) but it looks larger from that angle.

Too bad Ellice/Colony got messed up and Ellice relocated ... Interesting view of the building face along the east side of Old Market Square. I didn't realize there were still buildings there when the park was developed.

[LilZebra]

I've seen that photo before and I believe the location is Broadway @ Memorial, circa 1887.

[metonymy]

Looks like a solution has been found - the matter was laid over a month to allow Centre Venture to firm up plans for the building that do not involve demolition.

CentreVenture has met with the property owners on numerous occasions and as a result of these discussions believe we have the basis for a solution that is satisfactory to all parties and will result in the former Kelly House being restored and, once again, occupied. We are in the process of working through the details of the agreement, updating cost estimates and are in discussions with a potential tenant. We were unable to complete all these tasks prior to the February 2, 2009 Committee meeting and ask that we be granted an additional 30 day extension to finalize this matter.

[flatlander]

Krawchyk School was pretty attractive.

Why don't schools teach kids to embrace their history rather than celebrate knocking things down?

[1ajs]

for some reason our schools refuse to let us study local history and rather we learned about outside of our areas..... the cdn school system needs a overhaul............

[Only The Lonely..]

Originally Posted by 1ajs

for some reason our schools refuse to let us study local history and rather we learned about outside of our areas..... the cdn school system needs a overhaul............

I totally agree..

In high school we could only study American History but there was nothing offered about our local history. This in my opinion is the most important history to learn, since our local history sets the stage for all future debates about what we should do as a community.

[Only The Lonely..]

Persoanally, i'm a big fan of teaching 'Civics' to Manitoba High Schoolers..

As the old saying goes, "We can't know where we're going unless we know where we've been."

[1ajs]

Originally Posted by Only The Lonely..

I totally agree..

In high school we could only study American History but there was nothing offered about our local history. This in my opinion is the most important history to learn, since our local history sets the stage for all future debates about what we should do as a community.

silly thng is the teech u about riel but not about norquay and the fact manitoba was a country in 1860 hell i brought up a bunch of stuff and my teacher tossed me outa class for being a smart ass when they did the riel unit cause of all the mistakes in the outdated text book that was brand new... witch the text book makers won't change untill the gove tells them what it is they want in the new books

[1ajs]

Originally Posted by Only The Lonely..

Persoanally, i'm a big fan of teaching 'Civics' to Manitoba High Schoolers..

As the old saying goes, "We can't know where we're agoing unless we know where we've been."

so true

[rgalston]

But we learn about the Manitoba School Question, Bishop Taché, and that saintly hero, Louis Riel--isn't that enough?

Anyway, speaking of old city schools, here are a couple of fire maps dated 1906, that David Watson sent me today:

Somerset School on Nena (an extension of Sherbrook) Street, and Sacred Heart R.C. Church and School on Lydia and Bannatyne Ave. Notice Winnipeg General/HSC has yet to expand east of Olivia Street


Collegiate Institute, Bannatyne and Kate Street. There is still a school on this site (Victoria-Albert?). Notice Elgin Street's livery stables and cordwood lots


Alexandra School on Edmonton Street where the Convention Centre is today, Carlton School on Graham Avenue where MTS Centre's "rock star parking" lot, and St. Mary R.C. School on St. Mary where the Sheraton Hotel is today. Notice how Kennedy St. is stand-alone houses spaced far apart is compared to the compact build up of Edmonton and Carlton. So many lovely houses now gone...

[1ajs]

dang there was alota school downtown

never know that ost of that hellacious surface lot on graham there was allway open like to to a certan extent damn

[Andy6]

Are those from microfilm? I have one Toronto fire insurance map, for the Yorkville district where I now live, but have never been able to locate any Winnipeg versions for sale. The pink colour usually indicates brick construction while the tan or yellow is wood. I don't know what exactly the yellow ones outlined with pink are meant to represent.

[rgalston]

Originally Posted by Andy6

Are those from microfilm? I have one Toronto fire insurance map, for the Yorkville district where I now live, but have never been able to locate any Winnipeg versions for sale. The pink colour usually indicates brick construction while the tan or yellow is wood. I don't know what exactly the yellow ones outlined with pink are meant to represent.

I don't know.

Yellow with a pink outline means a brick facade, but wood construction.

[flatlander]

I love love love fire insurance plans. Never seen them electronically before. At the archives I think all you're allowed to bring in is a pencil.

[rgalston]

Originally Posted by flatlander

I love love love fire insurance plans. Never seen them electronically before. At the archives I think all you're allowed to bring in is a pencil.

I brought a small camera to the City Archives a year or two ago, and no one said anything then. These are edited up to 1951 I think it was:

Chinatown. Note "City Hall Annex" where Winnipeg/Manitoba Hydro building is now, and note lane running off Main between Market and James Street.


Close-up of Pacific Avenue between Main and King. To build this compactly today would be illegal.


One block north, Main between Alexander and Logan. Note "Mission" (either Union Gospel or Lighthouse, I can't remember) on Alexander and King.


Lord Selkirk Park neighborhood 10 years before urban renewal. Small block between King, Dufferin and Derby.

The Dufferin (south) side of this block is seen here:

[Andy6]

Wow. Excellent. Sure glad that that urbanity got renewed!