Canada Line | Completed - Page 239

WarrenC12 · #**4761** Posted **Feb 3, 2009, 7:30 PM**

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Originally Posted by tintinium

Right now, there is not much service on Moscrop... so it could continue from Joyce to Boundary, up Moscrop and down the back side of BCIT (Wayburne) which currently has No bus service (There's quite a bit of density behind BCIT in the form of townhouses), loop around via Canada Way and stop at the front of BCIT on its way back.

Interesting, but that's so short it's hardly a B-Line. B-Lines are more like express buses with limited stops over a significant distance, right?

It sounds like they just need more buses, like the SFU-Univ Station connection.. more capacity.

deasine · #**4762** Posted **Feb 3, 2009, 7:43 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

Interesting, but that's so short it's hardly a B-Line. B-Lines are more like express buses with limited stops over a significant distance, right?

It sounds like they just need more buses, like the SFU-Univ Station connection.. more capacity.

He meant extension of the originally planned B-Line (which runs from Joyce - UBC)

metroXpress · #**4763** Posted **Feb 4, 2009, 3:06 AM**

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Originally Posted by deasine

That doesn't work out... nor is it a good idea.

Canada Line = not enough capacity to handle the load of the Millennium Line... not to mention that it will be a huge crunch down between Broadway to Waterfront. We would also be missing a needed connection between Commercial Drive to Cambie.

And I don't want inTransitBC to be owning more =P Let another private company or TransLink own that portion of the M-Line

Thanks for you and many others that have replied to me. It makes
sense why it has to be the M-Line extension. Although I don't know if
the Canada Line would build an extension all the way to Delta?
Perhaps that's what they should work on...but I guess that is way too
much load for Canada Line.

Allen

Metro-One · #**4764** Posted **Feb 4, 2009, 3:09 AM**

I think the problem going to Delta is there is to many dead zones and areas with low housing density to validate the cost of construction. A Rapid bus or LRT would be a better choice for connecting Delta to the C-Line.

metroXpress · #**4765** Posted **Feb 4, 2009, 3:20 AM**

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Originally Posted by Metro-One

I think the problem going to Delta is there is to many dead zones and areas with low housing density to validate the cost of construction. A Rapid bus or LRT would be a better choice for connecting Delta to the C-Line.

I agree with you on the dead zones....you mean the Burns Bog area right?
Well, I think a good way is just to connect it to the North Delta/ Surrey area.
I bet the residence there would be happy with that

A Rapid bus / LRT sounds good too! I just want to see it connected.

SpongeG · #**4766** Posted **Feb 4, 2009, 3:54 AM**

plus Delta is so small population wise

a huge expense for a handful of people

going to the ferry terminal is also a potential waste - there has been that they want to abandon that spot and relocate elsewhere - and if that went ahead...

people out there also like to think they live in their own world away from the big mean city

metroXpress · #**4767** Posted **Feb 4, 2009, 5:15 AM**

Yeah...don't want to get off-topic here but do you know about the new
road connecting Delta Port to Highway 1 ??

deasine · #**4768** Posted **Feb 4, 2009, 5:19 AM**

Well you know you are getting off topic, so why bother asking your question. I really shouldn't have to do a lecture about this... it's not the first time.

1) Google Search for Background Information
2) Find a thread here: if you can't find one, search for it. if you still can't find it: open a new thread.

SSP is not a Q & A forum. It's a forum for members to contribute into related discussions. Being frank here, we don't need people to be giving blank responses.

DKaz · #**4769** Posted **Feb 4, 2009, 5:38 AM**

Delta refuses to densify, what makes anyone think that they want rail going through their city?

wrenegade · #**4770** Posted **Feb 4, 2009, 6:25 PM**

Can a mod move this discussion to transit fantasies or something? Cause Canada Line to Delta definitely falls in that category. Let's get back on topic as to what is actually being built right now.

deasine · #**4771** Posted **Feb 4, 2009, 6:29 PM**

I'm not going to move it for various reasons. We already had this discussion in the Transit Fantasies thread more than once.

twoNeurons · #**4772** Posted **Feb 5, 2009, 6:34 PM**

Thought I'd share something interesting.

Due to a little spat in the transportation forum here, nname posted this image:

Avg. Speed (in km/h) between stations in Vancouver (speed between 2/3 stations may not be accurate)

It illustrates how fast the SkyTrain actually travels on average for all station lengths on the line, in km/h.

For comparison, I did this Toronto one:

The conclusion was made that part of the reason SkyTrain is considerably quicker is because of station spacing (You can check out that thread for more details on spacing between stations).

I think this is a major factor, but also it probably has to do with the SkyTrain's LIM motors. I know they can accelerate faster, but I don't know how much this affects the overall speed.

Anyway, with regard to the Canada Line, it will be interesting how long trip times actually will be. I know that the stations are more closely spaced together and that it's using conventional motors and my preliminary estimates put it considerably slower, but I, for one will look forward to seeing real life results.

The results will show one thing... it makes a case for SkyTrain LIM to UBC as a technology choice... especially given the distance coming from Coquitlam would make this corridor more car-competetive.

With the Canada Line, it's less important, because the distance covered is shorter in Vancouver, which has more East-West travel than North South, but it will be interesting to see how the Canada Line fares against cars... (nevermind the small platforms)

deasine · #**4773** Posted **Feb 5, 2009, 6:48 PM**

Canada Line Extension and Bus discussion has been moved to the Transit Fantasies thread. Please stay on topic >___>

Metro-One · #**4774** Posted **Feb 5, 2009, 6:53 PM**

Yesterday i was driving down Cambie street and all i have to say is the completed sections are beautiful! Honestly they are doing a great job re-building the street and i think many businesses will benefit simply from the new clean, open, inviting street scrape. Not to mention having a rapid transit line below their feet now.

Gordon · #**4775** Posted **Feb 5, 2009, 7:32 PM**

If the UBC line is simply an extension of the current Millenium Line & the hopefully soon-to-be built Evergreen Line Translink in pretty much committted to the LIM propulsion system. that would likely mean more Mark 11 cars.

WarrenC12 · #**4776** Posted **Feb 5, 2009, 7:48 PM**

Cool info, thanks!

officedweller · #**4777** Posted **Feb 5, 2009, 7:53 PM**

If you look at the speeds between Stadium & Granville and Granville & Burrard and New Westminster & Columbia - those would approximate the spacing of downtown TO stations (Dundas, Queen, King or St. Patrick, Osgoode, St. Andrew). (Burrard to Waterfront is longer and allows speed to pick up). Speeds seem comparable on the two systems.

officedweller · #**4778** Posted **Feb 5, 2009, 7:58 PM**

The tarps are off the Vancouver City Centre Station entrance - looks good. Gray polished granite - the windows allow you to see right through the structure.

deasine · #**4779** Posted **Feb 5, 2009, 8:00 PM**

Great to hear. Hope to see pictures soon =) =P

nname · #**4780** Posted **Feb 6, 2009, 12:47 AM**

I also did a chart for Canada Line using the simulation data:

Seems like given the same distance, Skytrain would travel faster.. probably due to the LIM technology? Compare the speed between Production-Lake City-Sperling and Broadway-King Edward-Oakridge: both has a distance of 3.4km and 1 stop in between (Travel time would be 4.7min on M-Line and 5.5min on C-Line).