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Old Posted Jan 28, 2009, 10:33 PM
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^ Engineering might be motre prevalent in Cgy, No way operations are split. I'd say about 70-30.

We are the kings of fab though.

It would be interesting to see if a company like Total could realize some benefit from being closer to the geographic epicentre of the oilsands development.
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Old Posted Jan 28, 2009, 10:38 PM
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^if i recall, there was some mention or belief that they wanted to not follow the "other guys" and be in Edmonton...

maybe i made that up after a few?
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Old Posted Jan 28, 2009, 11:00 PM
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came across this during some research today...





that is going to be a HUGE improvement over how it feels now

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Old Posted Jan 28, 2009, 11:02 PM
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Thanks for posting, Cold. That building will be amazing when returned to former glory!
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Old Posted Jan 28, 2009, 11:07 PM
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Man, the Fed is going to look fantastic.

It looks like they're keeping most of the lobby intact. That makes me very happy.

I don't quite get that bottom perspective though. Looks like it's backwards.
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Old Posted Jan 28, 2009, 11:10 PM
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^it is from the fed looking west
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Old Posted Jan 28, 2009, 11:15 PM
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Ah. now I get it. I thought the building in the forefront was the Fed. This perspective would be from inside or on top of the building, looking west.

That new green space will really look nice.

They must be getting close with the asbestos abatement... that's been going on for some time now.
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Old Posted Jan 28, 2009, 11:34 PM
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some pictures i took of van's Shangri-la... how amazing would that be on the urbia lot.

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?p=4053613#post4053613
See how a building that's much taller than its neighbours looks really hot?

Why is it when we see such a proposal in Edmonton people always say that it "sticks out like a sore thumb" or "it's too tall for that neighbourhood"? I don't get that.

Tall is hot; especially when it "sticks out".
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interesting... for didn't Total make reference a while back about a potential office here should they be a player?

EDMONTON — The French oil giant Total SA is launching a $617 million bid to acquire struggling UTS Energy, a firm whose main asset is a 20-per-cent stake in the proposed Fort Hills oilsands mine near Fort McMurray and an upgrader project near Fort Saskatchewan.

Petro-Canada, the majority owner of the project, decided last year to defer a decision because of soaring construction costs.

British Columbia-based mining firm Teck Cominico, which is also facing its own financial challenges, owns the other 20 per cent stake.

Total’s subsidiary, Total E&P Canada, aims to acquire all outstanding UTS shares for $1.30 each, a 57 per cent premium over Tuesday’s market price.

UTS is reviewing the unsolicited approach and in a statement advised shareholders to “take no action at this time.”

Total’s interest should improve the chances for Fort Hills.

If the mine gets the green light over the next year, production of 160,000 barrels a day of bitumen in phase one could start in 2013.

Total said in a release that acquiring the UTS stake will strengthen its portfolio in the Athabasca region, comprised of the Joslyn and Northern Lights leases that are both near Fort Hills.

Joslyn would be a surface mine project.

Engineering studies for Total’s upgrader project near Fort Saskatchewan are proceeding as planned, said the company.

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Interesting that Teck Cominco is a part owner. My understanding is that they are in some deep deep 🞵🞵🞵🞵 right now and I assume they would jump at an offer to raise some cash.
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Old Posted Jan 29, 2009, 12:27 AM
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A Total Oil office in Edmonton is plausible, them moving their Canadian Corporate operation to Edmonton is very unlikely....especially considering they already have their office in Calgary and are doing nearly all their Canadian hiring for that office.
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^ there were rumours to that effect. Total is a pretty bullish company, Would be nice to see the oilsands player set up office here, especially since the vast majority of the engineering & operations as well as expertise come from Edmonton.
I guess you're not involved much in the oil sands. Almost all of the engineering and control systems is out of Calgary. Syncrude has an operations engineering group in Edmonton (Cosyn), with about 300 people, but the main bulk of engineering operations comes out of Calgary from Flour and AMEC. As for Suncor, Shell and Horizon all of their engineering and control systems and I.S.comes out of Calgary.

Marshaling distribution and fab operations come out of Edmonton as well as Calgary and various other cities in the US. but moreso from Edm. Much of the prefab stuff for the oil sands comes from places as far as Texas.
     
     
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I guess you're not involved much in the oil sands. Almost all of the engineering and control systems is out of Calgary. Syncrude has an operations engineering group in Edmonton (Cosyn), with about 300 people, but the main bulk of engineering operations comes out of Calgary from Flour and AMEC. As for Suncor, Shell and Horizon all of their engineering and control systems and I.S.comes out of Calgary.

Marshaling distribution and fab operations come out of Edmonton as well as Calgary and various other cities in the US. but moreso from Edm. Much of the prefab stuff for the oil sands comes from places as far as Texas.
Vendor supply is definitly not limited to Edmonton by any means and Texas really isn't that far. Valves, motors, other vendor packages can be coming from as far as Asia or even Europe. Modular fabrication and much of that which goes with that is pretty much strictly Edmonton. Not all that glamorous, but does provide hundreds/thousands of good jobs, albeit very few that are permanent.
Edmonton is a nothing player in oil sands engineering. As said above, Cosyn (which is Colt) is the only key player of really any note that I can think of off hand. Jacobs perhaps, but the size of the workforce doesn't compare to what they have in Calgary.
Bantrel/Bechtel, SNC Lavalin, Fluor...all Calgary, that's just a small list.
Edmonton is home to the roving contract field engineers or the groups of resident and managing engineers, but only because and when its in direct proximity to the work site. IE Scotford.
When the job ends, the majority of those people leave for the next one.

Right now Calgary is probably feeling the crunch in the engineering sector a lot harder than Edmonton. I've heard that most major firms are going through layoffs and belt tightening. This is going to be temporary and the Calgary culture of same engineers circling from company to company to company will be back on track in no time!
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 29, 2009, 3:37 PM
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See how a building that's much taller than its neighbours looks really hot?

Why is it when we see such a proposal in Edmonton people always say that it "sticks out like a sore thumb" or "it's too tall for that neighbourhood"? I don't get that.

Tall is hot; especially when it "sticks out".
Indeed. Subjective aesthetic complaints of a proposal being "out of proportion to its surroundings" is as large an annoyance to me as any NIMBY inanity.
     
     
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^well look who is back...

shall we?
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^I agree. Let's keep in mind that at one time, every building--that's right--every single one, didn't match or "fit in" to its surroundings. Can you imagine how the first log cabins "stood out like sore thumbs" in the middle of the forests? After all, here were these large, square, squat, wooden structures located in a neighborhood that is overwhelmingly just tall slender wooden structures with green stuff on them! What an outrage!
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...wow!

Billion-dollar solution

Construction of affordable housing would pay for itself by 2020, mayor's committee says

BY RICHARD WARNICA AND ALEXANDRA ZABJEK, THE EDMONTON JOURNALJANUARY 29, 2009 9:01 AM




The committee to End Homelessness is budgeting $400 million in capital costs and $570 million for operations over the next decade.
Photograph by: Rick MacWilliam, Edmonton Journal
Mayor Stephen Mandel's hand-picked Committee to End Homelessness will call today for almost $1 billion in new funding to build and secure thousands of affordable and supportive housing units over the next decade, says a copy of the report obtained by The Journal.

The report -- A Place to Call Home -- says the city can halve the need for emergency shelters by 2014 and offer a permanent home to all those living on the street by 2011 with money from the provincial and federal governments.

"It's time to make a fundamental change in the way we respond to these citizens in need," wrote the committee, made up of members of the city's business, political, and social elite, as well as front-line workers in city shelters, transition houses and advocacy groups.

"That change can bring an end to homelessness in 10 years, ensuring all citizens have access to a safe, secure and permanent home."

The report sets almost a dozen targets, including:

- Decreasing the number of sheltered homeless to 2006 levels by 2012.

- Securing 800 supported housing units in partnership with private landlords by 2012.

- Developing 1,000 units of permanent supportive housing by 2014.

- Obtaining 1,650 modestly sized units by 2019, with the first ones coming on line in 2011.

- Reducing the need for emergency shelter capacity by 50 per cent by 2014.

The price tag, which includes more than $400 million in capital costs and over $570 million for operations, may make some pause. But the authors say if fully implemented, the plan will pay for itself by 2020.

Over time, the costs of shelters, increased ambulance trips, emergency room visits, police, court and jail services for homeless people will exceed the costs of providing them a home, the report says.

Steve Pomeroy, an Ottawa researcher specializing in homelessness Ottawa, agreed.

It is almost always cheaper to house the homeless than it is to treat them on the street, said Pomeroy, who has studied the issue in major Canadian cities.

The problem is, it won't be easy to see that in a budget, he said.

"The savings that are being achieved are in the police services and the hospitals," Pomeroy said. "But the expenditures are being incurred in the housing department. Is the hospital or the police department prepared to give up some of their budgets to help build the housing? In most cases, not."

The report is being released two days after the federal government promised $12 billion for new and existing infrastructure in the next two fiscal years to help stimulate the faltering economy.

Lobby for federal funds

Chaldeans Mensah, a Grant Mac-Ewan College political scientist, said the economic slowdown may help the committee's billion-dollar proposal. The city should lobby for some of those funds for affordable housing, he said.

"It's a way of providing stimulus to the people who are going to be doing the construction," he said. "But it's also stimulus that is going to address the welfare of people who are not going to be benefiting from the tax cuts and other policies in the budget."

The 10-year plan focuses heavily on Housing First, a U.S. model that aims to put the homeless into permanent homes as quickly as possible.

Hundreds of U.S. cities and a handful in Canada have created 10-year plans based on the system.

A study in Portland, Ore., cited in the report, found a Housing First project there was able to reduce the annual cost of treating one group of chronically homeless by $16,000 per person, per year.

Another, in Rhode Island, found it was cheaper by almost $9,000 per capita to deal with the chronically homeless with a Housing First model than it was to leave them on the street.

In January 2008, Mandel appointed the Committee to End Homelessness.

He had vowed a year earlier to develop a lasting solution to the city's housing problems after hundreds of homeless people set up a tent city on a vacant inner-city lot.

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anyone ever used this site before?

http://maps.live.com/

The birds eye view is pretty neat, and you can rotate the camera to get different angles on buildings.....

Not sure how up to date the images are though...

What other aerial mapsites do you guys use?
     
     
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/\ yeah, good site. The some of those shots are from Summer of '07, not sure about the rest. Google Maps is my other staple, using street view when available. I only use Live if I want to see something via birdseye view
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^I agree. Let's keep in mind that at one time, every building--that's right--every single one, didn't match or "fit in" to its surroundings. Can you imagine how the first log cabins "stood out like sore thumbs" in the middle of the forests? After all, here were these large, square, squat, wooden structures located in a neighborhood that is overwhelmingly just tall slender wooden structures with green stuff on them! What an outrage!
which is what too many people don't understand about the entire planning process. although it should respect what it's place today - particularly when it comes to historic structures - we should be planning for what we want our neighborhoods and cities to look like and work like 30 or 40 or 50 years from now, not what they look like or how they work today.
     
     
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