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Old Posted Dec 16, 2008, 6:22 AM
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^^^ yah but there would be two liners serving the area instead of one

thats much better
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Old Posted Dec 16, 2008, 6:30 AM
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^ ssiguy lives in White Rock, I wouldn't take his opinions on the UBC extension seriously.

But on the other hand, if he had input for White Rock/Delta/Tswass./Highway 99, that would be quite different. I personally don't know the south of Richmond and Surrey areas too well, and that's why I don't make strong opinions about transit in those areas.

I'd highly prefer if we built it right the first time and not have to worry about extending it again in the future. Extend it all the way to UBC.

As for the Hastings corridor, Fever is right that it's much more suitable for LRT....SkyTrain doesn't make sense - at all. It's far less busier than Broadway, and it would almost be comparable to building SkyTrain along 41st Avenue.
     
     
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Old Posted Dec 16, 2008, 6:33 AM
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they could make broadway one lane in either direction - devote the middle lanes to the LRT

people using broadway as a drive through route could use 10th which most people do now if they are coming from 12th
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Old Posted Dec 16, 2008, 6:34 AM
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The thing that really pissed me off is the comparison Translink made between SkyTrain and LRT. When comparing speeds thew had the LRT with a lot more stops and then claiming LRT was slower.
If they did a fair ccompariosn and still wanted SkyTrain then fine but don't scew the numbers.
The comparisons are quite fair. Both are along the same corridor, and both are different technologies that have a different build-up and operation....you would obviously build them in different ways.

You may as well compare commuter rail and LRT, with commuter rail having the same short spacing between stations.
     
     
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skytrain is LRT though LRT = Light rail which encompasses many forms of which skytrain is one

no?
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Old Posted Dec 16, 2008, 6:40 AM
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SkyTrain does make sence to some degree if they hook it up properly with the MLine so it has no transfers from Coq to UBC. Its expensive but thanks to Clark we are stuck with it. The MLine should never have been SkyTrain but LRT or even Monorail.
The thing that scares me is that Bombardier seems to be really pushing SkyTrain tech but to no avail. If 20 or more years when Toronto has closed its SRT and Detroit's has died a slow death, I'm afraid of what will happen if Bomardier considers it not worth the expense as it is yesterdays technology and decide to scrape ALRT. Vancouver will be in a real pickle.

The gov't says it wants a "skytrain-like" technology but as far as I know it is the only manufacturer. There are some linear-inductions but they are subways and high-speed which is complitly uncompatable. Either way, the cars are going to cost a fortune and Vancouver will have no option but to pay it. that's the main problem with proprietry technology.
Monorail? Yea....that's more of a tourist trap technology, rather than a competent from of rapid transit.

You fail to realize that there are many more ART/SkyTrain applications around than just Vancouver, Toronto, and Detroit:

- NYC AirTrain JFK Airport
- Beijing Express
- Kuala Lumpur: Rapid KL/Kelena Jaya Line (and they recently bought an entire fleet of 5-car Mark II trains from Bombardier)
- Yongin EverLine (Korea)

And there are other cities in China and around the world considering ART, including Honolulu.
     
     
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Old Posted Dec 16, 2008, 6:41 AM
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skytrain is LRT though LRT = Light rail which encompasses many forms of which skytrain is one

no?
Technically speaking, yes. Though SkyTrain is more of a hybrid between a heavy rail metro and light rail.
     
     
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Yes, if was in academia I am sure that speed would not concern me as I would be working 2 hours a day and would actually not have to show up on time anywhere.

This reminds me of daily fantasies that can be found on Stephen Rees' blog. The dude is unemployed, uses transit once a month to visit some hippie gathering and then dispenses opinions on how we could solve all our problems with biking and trams. For people who actually work 8-10 hours a day and have families spending 1 hour each way in a bus or tram is not an attractive options. Nor is adding to the commute by having to shower, change and deal with the bikes after 1 hour bike ride.

So get us our damn SkyTrain to UBC!!!
I'm not sure I agree with the tone of your post, but I do agree with your sentiment that speed is oh-so-crucial.

The people who use SkyTrain are not politicians, professors or pundits. They are working class British Columbians and students who don't have the luxury of enjoying a slow and sustainable tram ride. They need to get from point a to point b as soon as possible -- and if transit doesn't do it for them, they will just as soon make the switch to a car.

What's unfortunate is that all of this tram talk could derail, no pun intended, any kind of rail connection to UBC.
     
     
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^^^ yah but there would be two liners serving the area instead of one

thats much better
What about the capacity? Does the 2 lines add up to give 25000 capacity per hour that skytrain can provide?

On a side note, I've found the top bus routes for 2007 from the phase B RTM document:
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#	Route	Boardings
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1	 99	44,000
2	 20	30,500
3	  9	28,500
4	 98	27,500
5	 41	27,000
6	  3	22,000
7	 22	21,500
8	  8	21,500
9	 17	20,500
10	 16	19,000
11	 25	18,500
12	135	16,500
13	106	15,500
14	 49	15,200
15	 10	13,800
16	 19	13,800
17	  7	12,300
18	410	11,000
19	  5	10,500
20	130	10,400
21	 97	10,200
22	145	10,200
23	 15	 9,800
Top performing north shore bus come in 24th with 9600, I assume that's 239
Top performing Surrey bus come in 26th with 9000, I assume that's 321
Top Langley bus come in 31st with 6500 passengers a day, would that be the 501 or 502?
Top Maple Ridge bus come in 34th with 6000, it has to be the 701
Top South Delta bus got 3500 passengers a day, and that would be the 601

In total, there are 17 routes that have 5000 to 10000 riders a day.
6 for Vancouver, 4 for Bby/NW/Coq, 2 for north shore, 3 for Surrey, and 1 each for Langley and Maple Ridge

Note, the Broadway corrider already have 72,000+ passengers a day.
     
     
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Old Posted Dec 16, 2008, 7:13 AM
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why wouldn't it?

it could be 4 trains long trains every 3 minutes
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On a side note, I've found the top bus routes for 2007 from the phase B RTM document
Many thanks for pasting this interesting list. I used to ride 4 out of top 5 buses every week, no wonder my view of Vancouver transit is very different from some forumers who may say "slow is better"

This list also confirms that 135 (Hasting corridor) is not that busy at all, even ranked behind 25 (which was terrible service when I had to used it daily some years ago). Actually after the open of M-line, I never happen to sit on a 135 bus that is crush load full. A parallel skytrain on Hasting route will be a complete waste.
     
     
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I do not know many LRT systems that run at 3 minute head-ways. If the line requires 4 car trains every 3 minutes than is it not better suited for grade separated ALRT?
     
     
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Old Posted Dec 16, 2008, 7:19 AM
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i cant believe that were having this conversation today...

sounds like spongeg is a little behind the times







anyhow, what do you guys think of these ideas?

1. skytrain to burrard and then across the bridge into Downtown. light rail from burrard+broadway to UBC

2. skytrain to burrard. light rail from downtown across the burrard bridge and then west on broadway

3. skyrain to Macdonald. light rail from downtown across the burrard bridge westbound on cornwall or 4th, northbound on Macdonald, westbound on broadway, 10th. Ublvd to UBC
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Old Posted Dec 16, 2008, 7:21 AM
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Many thanks for pasting this interesting list. I used to ride 4 out of top 5 buses every week, no wonder my view of Vancouver transit is very different from some forumers who may say "slow is better"
may i hazard a guess that the one that got away was the #9?...

cause taking the 9 is about the slowest thing one could possibly do.
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Old Posted Dec 16, 2008, 7:22 AM
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Thanks. I'm surprised the 22 is so high on the list. The 145 has to have one of the highest riders/km.
     
     
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I'm not sure it would hit 25000/hr peak, as classes at university are more spread throughout the day, and considerably more cyclical. 730-8am classes always have only moderately full busses. 8-1030am its no uncommon for busses to be at crush.

If its really bad some mornings it takes a 4-6 bus stack to clear out all the stations. BLines are often quite full at these times, and it takes a 9 and a 17 to clear out sasamat station on 10th ave.

The problem we'll see if there's only a line up to Alma is we'll need to re-expand the UBC loop, and make another bus loop at Alma. Having the 17/9/99/7 loading that many people a day would be pretty hectic around there.

Unless the skytrain went under Jericho and the hill after 4th it would have to be bored or cut and covered under 10th. Once it hits UEL though, it would all be at grade.
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what the hell happened to the 95 b line down Hastings to SNFU??

seems like it has been back burnered for a while now.......I assume they are waiting for the 98 B to shut down when the Cline starts up and shift the bus stock to the new route?

anyone?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/95_B-Line
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/91_B-Line

or maybe they will use the bus's to start up the 91 and 95 next year?
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It might make sense with Millennium extended to Granville to run a B-line from downtown over the Granville bridge to UBC via Broadway. Then cut out the downtown part of the 44 and run it between 2nd Avenue/Olympic Village station and UBC.

I'd also like to see B-line like routes (possibly at the expense of some useless loopy local routes) on:

41st between UBC and Brentwood
Hastings between SFU and Burrard
Willingdon between Metrotown and Central Lonsdale
Uptown New West between Metrotown and New West station
Victoria between Hastings and Bridgeport
49th/Victoria/Bridgeport between Metrotown and Bridgeport

I could go on...
     
     
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what the hell happened to the 95 b line down Hastings to SNFU??

seems like it has been back burnered for a while now.......I assume they are waiting for the 98 B to shut down when the Cline starts up and shift the bus stock to the new route?

anyone?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/95_B-Line
i understand in ~sept 09.... after 98 is dead
     
     
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