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Old Posted Dec 13, 2008, 10:39 PM
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yeah but the optics dont look very good. they tore down the church two years ago.
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yeah but the optics dont look very good. they tore down the church two years ago.
No, it wasn't two years ago, it was close, but not two years ago. We have to also remember that the demo was placed on hold as asbestos was later found part way through and they required additonal environmental clearances.

I think we will see The Edge go ahead. I don't know why you think we won't.
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Old Posted Dec 14, 2008, 3:18 AM
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I dont think anything will happen until they have a commitment of at least half of the units. That will be a tough thing to do at this time and at that location. I could be wrong, but that is just my feeling. Time Developments are not about capital, they are about leveraging.
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Wow, I never knew how many people in this city truly fear change, and have talked with many Edmontonian. I'd say it's a 50/50 split, but enough to do damage through fear mongering articles as the ones posted above.
     
     
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I dont think anything will happen until they have a commitment of at least half of the units. That will be a tough thing to do at this time and at that location. I could be wrong, but that is just my feeling. Time Developments are not about capital, they are about leveraging.
I agree that selling right now is going to be tough, not only b/c of the time of year (Nov-Feb are always slow months), but b/c there are many that are in a 'wait and see' mode. I don't blame them, there may be some better deals come spring, possibly lower interest rates.

I don't think location is an issue with this property.

Every developer leverages in some shape or form, it just depends on how much. Do you know who their financial backers are? As far as we know they could be flush with private equity.
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Wow, I never knew how many people in this city truly fear change, and have talked with many Edmontonian. I'd say it's a 50/50 split, but enough to do damage through fear mongering articles as the ones posted above.
I totally agree. The media is numero uno to blame here.

Personally, I have decided to stop sending negative news articles to my colleagues as I find that it adds to their ever-increasing pessimism. I have decided to think positive and find ways to capitalize on opportunities during these slower times. I actually believe that this slowdown was necessary as the economy needs to reset itself.
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An $11 house: Hmm, that's affordable
In an age of Internet scams, this innovative sales approach is all uphill


Laura Drake
The Edmonton Journal

Monday, December 15, 2008


CREDIT: John Lucas, The Journal
On a chilly Sunday afternoon, David Stockburger stands in front of the house at 11720 95A St. that he is putting up as a prize for an essay contest.

EDMONTON - Inside the unfinished, barely heated shell of a house at 11720 95A St., David Stockburger's breath freezes in small puffs as he sits on an old metal chair, one of the few things in the two-and-a-half-storey building that is not construction materials.

Over the next six months, he will spend every working day making the house livable -- refurbishing the oak hardwood floors and laying linoleum, putting up walls and building bookshelves and cubbyholes -- until he is left with an essentially brand-new four-bedroom house.

Then he will sell it for $11. Or at least, he's going to try.

"I know people are skeptical. I advertised on Kijiji at the beginning and people wrote back saying: 'This is a scam,' " he said Sunday, sitting in what will become the living room of the house.

"People either believe in it or not, and I think that's a hurdle."

Stockburger and his wife, Esther, bought the condemned property in 2006 after finding it in the Bargain Finder for $120,000 with an eye to fix it up and resell it.

When they were talking about it at home one day, his six-year-old daughter asked how much they would sell it for and suggested a price of $5.

Though Stockburger laughed, he got to thinking that if a lot of people gave a small amount of money, the house could ultimately be given to one person mortgage-free.

And thus the 11 Dollar House contest was born. The idea is that anyone who is legally able can pay an $11 entry fee to submit their name and at least one reason why they should own the house. Stockburger and his wife will pick the best entries and put them on a Facebook group, where people will vote to determine the winner.

The contest encourages people to be honest and open about why they want the house and not to worry about being extraordinary. However, entries can take any form -- video, poetry or song, for example -- and can list as many reasons as the entrant wants.

The Stockburgers bought a website (www.the11dollarhouse.com) and started a Facebook group to promote the idea. However, it turns out that giving a house away for almost-free is kind of hard in the age of Internet scams.

So far, the contest only has about 200 entries. In order for the Stockburgers to come even close to breaking even, they need at least 25,000. If they don't get 25,000 entries, Stockburger said, he will refund everyone's $11 and just sell the house normally.

Though Stockburger would like to see the contest through to its end, he and his wife simply can't afford to give the house away without making back most of their costs.

The original deadline for the contest was Dec. 31, but if they get at least 1,000 entries by then, the deadline will be pushed back to February or so to try and get the minimum 25,000 entries.

Even if the contest gets the minimum number of people, Stockburger will fall at least $25,000 short of his costs, which he figures will be more than $300,000 by the time he finishes.

"That would be OK, though, because it was a real neat story and maybe I could write a book about it and it would just be a crazy story."

Though it might be hard to see what Stockburger gets out of spending full-time working hours fixing up a house in the hopes of giving it away for less than cost, he has plenty of reasons.

The lawyer has always wanted to fix up a house, he said, and this is giving him the opportunity. There's also the undeniable originality aspect, not to mention the chance to see how people make their case.

"It's kind of an experiment, really. It's the curiosity of who will get it and who will enter."

Stockburger thinks this is the first time something like this has been done in Canada, though he's seen similar contests in the United States where the entry fees are more in the $100 range. He thinks his entry fee is more likely to entice those who remain skeptical.

"If it were me, I know I might enter for $11, but gee whiz, if it was a hundred dollars I'd say even if my chances were one-in-a-thousand to win, it's still more likely I'd lose $100."

Stockburger says he's realistic about the odds of getting enough entries to see the contest through, given the pace with which entries have rolled in up to now, but he's still hopeful it will happen.

If all goes well, someone will be chosen by the end of March and should be able to move into their fully renovated and appliance-equipped house by May, since Stockburger hopes to be done all his work by April.

There's even a little historical fun fact that comes along with the house -- it was owned by former provincial NDP leader Grant Notley from 1968 to 1971. Stockburger said he contacted Edmonton-Strathcona MLA Rachel Notley, Grant's daughter, to confirm that she and her family did, in fact, live in the house.

The contest also stipulates that the winner will own the house free and clear, so they can do what they want with it. However, Stockburger is confident that all his work will not be for naught.

"If someone won and tore down the house, I think they'd be crazy, because they're not going to do whatever they want to do next for $11."

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Camsell’s fate up for discussion


BY GORDON KENTDECEMBER 15, 2008


The Camsell Hospital in the background and surrounding buildings.
Photograph by : Kirsten Hofbauer/Edmonton Journal
EDMONTON - City council will finally have a chance today to decide whether to approve plans to turn the former Charles Camsell Hospital site into a housing development.

A public hearing is scheduled to look at the proposal by architect Gene Dub to create 594 condominiums, row houses and single-detached homes on the 4.7-hectare Inglewood property near 115th Avenue and 127th Street.

Any apartment buildings won’t be taller than the original seven-storey hospital, which closed in 1996 and was sold to Dub and four partners for $3.6 million in 2004.

The site will be surrounded by structures no more than two storeys high to act as a buffer between the highrises and the rest of the neighbourhood.

A 0.4-hectare park is slated for the property’s northeast corner.

Dub and his partners first proposed putting 862 housing units at the Camsell, but withdrew the scheme after nearby residents objected that there would be too many people living there.

There have also been concerns about the length of time it has taken to redevelop the empty hospital, which caught fire during demolition work in 2006 and has been seen as a draw for vagrants.

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^ Is there a strategic piece of property that Gene doesn't own ? I found out that he's helping drive the RK East towers because he owns a few of those houses fronting Jasper ve as well.

Good news for the Campsell.. Inglewood's a great little neighborhood with that eyesore sitting right in the middle of it.
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Canadian MLS sales slide 42 per cent


BY MARIO TONEGUZZIDECEMBER 15, 2008


According to data released today by the Canadian Real Estate Association, MLS sales plunged by 42.2 per cent in November - the second consecutive steep monthly decline - across the country compared with November 2007. Every province witnessed a sharp drop.
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The MLS residential market is continuing to reflect the grim economic reality in the country.

According to data released today by the Canadian Real Estate Association, sales plunged by 42.2 per cent in November - the second consecutive steep monthly decline - across the country compared with November 2007. Every province witnessed a sharp drop, led by British Columbia at 62 per cent and Ontario at 43.5 per cent. Alberta experienced a year-over-year decline of 34.6 per cent in sales.

Average sale prices also took a hit during the month falling by 9.8 per cent nationally to $280,880 compared with $311,485 in November 2007.

In Alberta, prices dropped by 4.2 per cent to $338,354 compared with $353,125 a year ago. British Columbia registered the steepest drop in prices - 12.5 per cent - to $395,687 from $451,991 in November 2007.

New listings across the country were also down by 4.6 per cent compared with a year ago while in Alberta they were off by 18.8 per cent.

“The housing market reflects the economic reality of Canada,” said CREA president Calvin Lindberg in a news release.

On a year-to-date basis until the end of November, sales in Alberta are down by 20.3 per cent from a year ago and off by 16.3 per cent nationally. The average MLS sale price for the 11-month period is down by 0.7 per cent in Alberta ($353,712) and by 0.3 per cent across the country ($304,462).

“These changes in the Canadian housing market relfect a broader and weakened picture of both the economy and buyer sentiment,” said CREA chief economist Gregory Klump in a news release. “National sales activity and price trends will continue reflecting increased cautiousness on the part of lenders and buyers, as the economy works its way through and out of the current recession.”

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/\Wow. That must have been taken some time in the 80s or early 90s. I think i can make out the southern tip of the old Beaumaris Mall.
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Anyone know if work is still going on inside the UCAMA project on Jasper? I think Delnor still has their signs up but it is difficult to make out if there is actual work taking place inside. Hopefully it hasn't stalled.
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^i havent seen any action there in a while, but given the project it is hard to know what that may mean.
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^ It's still going.

I know most of the Delnor guys... I'll ask where it's at next time I talk with one of them

On a related topic, Delnors' got the 118th Arts building and condos pretty much topped out. Lots of big windows facing 118th ave & 93 st.

I have a feeling it's going to make a huge difference on that corner
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Hey I noticed today that the old architectural clearinghouse lot on gateway blvd has site fencing up. Anyone know what's going on there ?

Also, according to C2E the site prep has started for Ironwood office tower ? Can someone confirm this ?
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^not site prep... a few soil samples.
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Hey I noticed today that the old architectural clearinghouse lot on gateway blvd has site fencing up. Anyone know what's going on there ?

Also, according to C2E the site prep has started for Ironwood office tower ? Can someone confirm this ?
The Architectural Clearinghouse has been fenced up for awhile. I have no idea what's going on there. I assume either an office or industrial flex-space building.

Ironwood had a drilling rig on site the other day.
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