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Old Posted Dec 4, 2008, 3:47 PM
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come on people...

What's the status of the Circle Drive South River Crossing Project? Thought I had heard funding was already in place.
     
     
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To be honest, if you really believe peak oil is here, you shouldn't be living downtown, you should be living in an acreage near Osler with a well, septic system and a large garden.
I've thought about this extensively and have come to the conclusion that I'm absolutely useless at most forms of manual labour and devoting 90 percent of my time to subsistence wouldn't even help because I wouldn't know where to begin. Growing my own food and finding my own heat/energy sources and building my own shelter is a full time job that I'd have in addition to the one I already work, and would need to continue working at, as I build my off-grid acreage.

I do believe that peak oil has long come and gone, and the oil industry is getting desperate, sucking at straws to get every last hard-to-get drop to feed our incredible appetite for car culture. But, on the other hand, I do believe in the intrinsic value of the city, as a community of people that can build upon and take advantage of each-other's resources and talents, and as a far better place to live should the "shit hit the fan", rather than out in the middle of nowhere, on your own, with no one to help you but yourself. Although cities cannot grow food at capacity to meet internal demand, they can come closer than you might think, if current underutilized space (suburban backyards, road medians, rights of way, and community gardens) is devoted to food production, and we reduce the "size" of our resource footprint.

More often than not, I've got a dim view of humanity. But, I think we can change, it'll just take money out of our pockets, economic, social, and political upheaval, perhaps a little mass-starvation thrown in the mix as well, and gradually, behaviour and values will change.

Remember: when living on your acreage in the post-energy apocalypse, don't forget weapons. You'll need to them to fight off the zombies.
     
     
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Old Posted Dec 4, 2008, 4:28 PM
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come on people...

What's the status of the Circle Drive South River Crossing Project? Thought I had heard funding was already in place.
I think the City earmakred aprox. 10 million in the new budget for preliminary work to be done next year. They appear to be on track for completion around 2012.
     
     
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I think the City earmakred aprox. 10 million in the new budget for preliminary work to be done next year. They appear to be on track for completion around 2012.
I think the 09 Capital Budget has line items for the restructuring of intersections in the area in preparation for detours. It didn't say specifics, as I recall, but this probably will mostly involve the re-alignment of the Circle Dr and 11 St intersection, Valley Rd South of this intersection, and roads in the industrial area around Idylwyld/Circle Dr.
     
     
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Remember: when living on your acreage in the post-energy apocalypse, don't forget weapons. You'll need to them to fight off the zombies.
Friggin zombies!
     
     
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Friggin zombies!
Well, they didn't prepare for the post-energy apocalypse, right? So they will come for your solar panels and brains.
     
     
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Old Posted Dec 5, 2008, 5:38 AM
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I was in the River Landing sales office today, the units look about half sold, and they are holding about a quarter back for later sale, including the penthouses (I don't know why). Some of the more popular units have several deposits, I assume some of those people would switch to second choice units if the first holder backs out.

About political capital, with such a low civic election turnout, a few people mad at you for allowing a high density development on their block can vote you out. Also, if the people in your ward don't want something, isn't it your duty to follow those wishes?

The global slowdown and oil prices might be good news for downtown construction as the cost of labour become more reasonable and more predictable. In particular, I wouldn't be surprised to see Cameco do something this summer (I have no inside information).
     
     
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cameco is in desparate need of office space, their headquarters are busting at the seams. they are currently leasing the main floors of the old Bay building on 2nd ave. they also got other small offices around town. i heard from their HR department that they are bringing in 50 people a year and they dont' even have anywhere to put them. the new building across the road from their headquarters (research facility) is already over its scheduled capacity for when it is complete. now i'm not running the company, but i heard the following rumor/legend. a few years back cameco wanted to build a tower across the street from the Bessborough by the Queen's Bench court. it is currently an empty parking lot and is probably the best piece real estate in the entire province. however, they also wanted the parcel of land where the Saskatoon Club and John's Prime Rib is sitting. Saskatoon Club was on board, but when they approached John's Prime Rib to buy out their lease from the city, John's didn't budge and Cameco got c@ck blocked. John's is still operating out of that location and putting this entire city into a bad mood with all of its awfulness. apparently their lease expires in 2010, at which point Cameco will likely buy out that entire half of block and hopefully begin construction of the most maginificent office building in the province. however, the latter part is my speculation, and who knows what will happen. however, given cameco's desperate need for office space it is the only logical explantion for their current inaction. also, one should remember that cameco had a major feud with the city going back to the 1980s which is the reason they built their headquarters out in the boonies in the first place. so...... in light of the above, maybe potash corp will build a second tower before cameco moves down town. they could lease their current building to someone else.

it will be interesting how things play out in the next few years. the bottom line is Cameco better get in right now, before the property value goes through the roof or claimed by other companies coming to do business in the province (athabasca potash??, areva expanding??, athabasca oil sands??)

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Old Posted Dec 5, 2008, 7:11 PM
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Well I hate to burst the cameco bubble, acron, but I have quite a different perspective on Cameco building downtown. I too have a 'contact' internal to Cameco and just recently was in their new office location in the old Bayside Building. I can tell you first hand there are many empty cubicles/desks in that office space! As well, there seems to be a sense of low morale there as apparently there are rumours of layoffs. Also, Cameco just shut down one of their mines out east. Given these indicators, I don't think it will be any time soon that Cameco will be pursuing a downtown tower.

Having said that, I personally believe that the current commodity market prices are just a blip and that Cameco is well positioned to be making large profits again. Hopefully, once that stability happens they will consider that glorious tower we are all hoping for!

Any word on Lake Placid or Lighthouse development at least breaking ground ...these 'delays' are getting me worried...

Also, any comments on the post I made earlier about King George encouraging people to buy now as prices will GO UP in new year? Anyone else surprised by this?
     
     
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Old Posted Dec 5, 2008, 9:08 PM
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prarie guy which mine did they shut down east? east where? ontario? i'm pretty sure in sask they only have mines up north.
i completely disagree with you that anyone is going to be laid off from their coroporate offices, unless its for cause. they have a hiring freeze for the moment, but that's just to adjust to the economy. like i said, i don't run the company, but given that global demand for uranium will far outstrip projected output capacity in the next 5 years a company can only grow. i am willing to bet that cameco will make more money next year then they did this year. areva as well. there are reactors being built in finland, russia, china. yellow cake will double in value in the next few years...

but you may very well be right. in any case, if they don't take that spot by the bessborough i'll buy it myself and build my own tower for all the chinese potash companies coming in here. i think i got a dollar kickin around for city council..
     
     
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Old Posted Dec 6, 2008, 7:14 AM
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One thing I've never quite understood about urban planning in this city is why anyone would want to build at tower right beside the river, when ideally a slope (increase in height) away from the river should be occuring not the other way around. I feel for that spot if anything shoudl be built it should be something maybe 10 stories max! just to help preserve the beauty of the area as well I think some retail should be injected into that spot. I have come up with a few interesting sketches of structures I think would fit well there. An architect once told me bigger isn't always better, some of the most innovative, intriguing and engaging buildings in the world are on the smaller side.
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Old Posted Dec 8, 2008, 12:32 AM
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i haven't heard anything about the lighthouse, except that they have to redraw the building design because the testing undergound showed there was too much water, making the underground parking a problem. the building may have to have parking above ground.

i agree with kgc that the high factor infront of the river. it would make sense to have a cascading skyline. however, i think the radisson towers look so akward all on their own at the side of the down town. plus if one was to build a building in that spot it would be partly sheilded by the bessborough. why not a twenty story building like the radisson and riverlanding village? but the really tall building, if they are going to be built, would be best on third avenue, especially that block between 21st and 22nd. those 100 yearold buildings are embrassing, you can't even turn those into lofts.
     
     
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Old Posted Dec 8, 2008, 4:10 PM
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Any word on Lake Placid or Lighthouse development at least breaking ground ...these 'delays' are getting me worried...
Last I heard digging was delayed to December 15th for Lake Placid due to some building permit issues with the city.

Personally I don't expect construction to begin until the spring. I base that on absolutely nothing just a gut feeling plus who would wanna be outside doing construction in this weather?

Hopefully I'm proven wrong because I'm getting ansi and just want to see some work being done to that site.
     
     
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Old Posted Dec 8, 2008, 5:45 PM
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Sign of the times on 20th Street
Barry Hotel demolition welcomed by many people; not solution to all problems

By Lori Coolican
December 5, 2008


Most people didn't notice when a piece of Saskatoon's past disappeared from the skyline Thursday morning.

Hardly anyone stood in the chilly wind to watch demolition crews take down the rooftop sign from the once-grand, now-notorious Barry Hotel on 20th Street.

People who work at the handful of store-front shops and service agencies still doing business in the immediate vicinity say the closure of the old hotel's bar and cut-rate apartments has made little difference to the character of the area.

"Life on 20th Street is much the same," said John Thelander, business manager of Building a Nation Family Healing Centre, located just a few doors east. "The alleys still have lots of traffic."

Thelander admitted feeling some nostalgia as the rotating sign disappeared from the top of the three-storey hotel, recalling the days when his parents lived in Riversdale decades ago and the hotel's reputation was a positive one.

But Building a Nation provides outreach services for poverty-stricken people, many of them struggling with alcohol and drug abuse, and in recent years many of its clients have lived at the Barry or hung out there.

"We got a lot of the damage . . . so it's not a bad thing to lose," Thelander said. "We see the walking wounded."

The hotel's demise didn't magically solve the problems plaguing its former customers. Many of them have simply adopted another bar farther to the west and they still use 20th Street as their pedestrian route into the downtown, Thelander noted.

"We want to be part of the solution, and we're still here."

Across the street from the Barry, staff at Boomtown Outfitters are preparing for the outdoor sports equipment store's permanent closure early in the new year.

Manager Lee Bolger predicted the hotel site will stand as an empty parking lot for about five years after the demolition is complete. He would rather see the existing structure redeveloped as quality affordable housing instead of torn down and replaced with new condominiums and retail space, he said.

"Maybe it's worth it financially (to build condos), I guess, but without consulting the community it's a different story."

City planners, developers and real estate investors have built a lot of hype about revitalizing the area, but on the ground things look far less rosy, Bolger said, noting several other businesses in the two-block area around the Barry have closed their doors recently.

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Old Posted Dec 8, 2008, 7:15 PM
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Barry Hotel Coming Down This Week
Demolition begins either Wednesday or Thursday on Saskatoon West Side Hotel


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Posted December 8, 2008 - 11:56am


The sun will officially set on the Barry Hotel either Wednesday or Thursday. Silverado Demolition say the excavator will take down the walls on Avenue B first, then the opposite wall next. The building is gutted so this is the last phase. There will be no parking along that stretch of Avenue B while the work is being done. 20th street will also be blocked during the final phase.

Dr Tom Maltman took possession of the hotel in May 2008. His spokesman, Kelly Kehoe says there are no immediate plans to develop the site. He says expect an empty lot for the time being

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Old Posted Dec 9, 2008, 3:01 PM
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About political capital, with such a low civic election turnout, a few people mad at you for allowing a high density development on their block can vote you out. Also, if the people in your ward don't want something, isn't it your duty to follow those wishes?
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O.k., that’s what I figured. The thing is that we elect leaders, not pollsters. For me that means that council's job is to do more than follow the will of the majority on every issue. If that were the goal, then the computer technology exists which could decide every issue based on a poll, bypassing the need for elected officials entirely. As I see it, I elect a representative based on their general perspective and their apparent judgement. After that, I expect them to use the extra time and research capacity that my taxes fund (including but not limited to public opinion polls) to inform themselves and make decisions based on good judgement, and research. Let’s face it, most of us are woefully uninformed about many issues, and really should not have as much a say as those who are more informed. Our representatives have the luxury of time and resources to become better informed than the vast majority of us. It is a leader’s job to sort through the available information and make the decisions they believe are best, not the ones that will get them re-elected. It is also their job to share with the public, their reasoning, hopefully thereby shifting opinion. As strong as my opinions are, I am open to changing them, if the alternative can be well reasoned. I am also willing to capitulate on some issues, if someone can explain to me why that is important (beyond "I need to get re-elected").

Big advances generally happen because of the actions and words of leaders, which then shift public opinion, and not the other way around. Obama was not elected because he has great policies (he hasn't mentioned a lot of those), but because people believe he has great ideas and that he will translate these into great policy (also because his predecessor has managed to screw up so badly - note GWB did not make unpopular decisions, he made bad ones).

As for cars and backyards, I agree that this is what most people want...now. However, there is a chicken and egg problem which perpetuates this feeling, i.e. the city is designed for cars and backyards, with a dearth of alternative transportation options, bigger than necessary distances between amenities and residences, not enough public amenities (making ones own yard more appealing). If leaders have the nerve to shift public funding from cars and yards, then the alternatives become more appealing. Are people in Vancouver fundamentally different than people in Saskatoon? I don't think so, they have just been exposed to the alternative (higher density, less cars, less private space) and many have embraced it. Most people here have never been exposed to anything but sprawling suburban cities. Years ago, people here thought living downtown was only for the elderly and indigent. When council decided to advantage downtown residential development, such development started to occur and lo and behold people now realize that it is kind of cool to live downtown. This wouldn't have happened (or would have happened much more slowly) without leadership.

Such decisions can be instituted gradually and in a way so as to increase public buy in. I think this is happening (albeit very slowly) with transit (i.e. improved service). However, the next step is to have people gradually assume the full cost of their individual decisions, so that they can make truly rational decisions (e.g. toll roads), increased taxes for communities that require greater road maintenance (e.g. suburbs).

It is obvious that cities like Edmonton and Calgary have come to realize that the model of continually adding suburbs to accommodate most new residents is not working - they are frantically working to increase density. The cost in financial and "political capital" is much higher than if these moves had been made years ago. Why don't we learn from that? BTW, the population density of Saskatoon is lower than that of Calgary. We get away with it now, because we are still relatively small, but not forever.

With regard to newer neighbourhoods, they are better, but not good enough, the biggest flaw, as we have discussed here is that they are separated from each other by roads which are nearly impassable by foot or cycle, unless you are willing to go many blocks out of your way. Likewise, while the services are often geographically centralized, access by foot, cycle or transit is grossly inconvenient. People who drive all the time are not even aware of this. What from a car looks like a good pedestrian or bike route is often terrible from the vantage point of a pedestrian or rider. As just one example, a bike lane at the side of the road looks great, but if it is full of potholes or parked cars it is worse than nothing because it is very treacherous to ride a bike through a pothole or have to swerve into traffic to avoid it. These potholes are often not visible from a car.

I would suggest that people who do this planning (and make the relevant decisions i.e. leaders) should be people who use those forms of transportation regularly or at least should consult heavily with such people. A person who rides their bike for leisure on the weekend, ahs no idea what a bike commuter goes through.

Sorry if this is off topic, but really, we only have so many buildings to talk about anyway
     
     
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Lots of activity, too little parking downtown: survey

Downtown has become a more hustling, bustling place in the past year, say residents and merchants who took part in the largest survey conducted by the Partnership business improvement district.

But that optimism is tempered by growing frustration with parking.

The survey found that the core is perceived as busier day and night, that sales volumes are the same or increasing for most merchants and that the idea of living downtown is gaining traction.

"Things are pretty good downtown," said Terry Scaddan, executive director of the Partnership. "That 30 per cent of people outside downtown would consider living downtown is a good sign."

Ultimo Euromoda clothing store has been on a three-year run of strong sales that hasn't yet been affected by the global downturn, said owner Barry Flynn. He said customers are making it into his store despite parking frustrations.

"We've got a happening downtown," he said. "I hate having people who want to come in and spend money not being able to find a spot."

Condo conversions are underway in the former Bay, King George and Rumley buildings, while new housing highrises are planned for River Landing and the parking lot next to the police station. In recent years, attractions such as the Galaxy cinema and new Persephone Theatre building have also opened.

All that development has made parking spots elusive targets.

Scaddan said he prefers the problem of too little turnover or too few spaces to having many empty stalls. Frustrating motorists, though, could stifle downtown's development.

"Parking is the major issue that comes at us."

Scaddan is urging the city to change some areas to angle parking, which creates more spaces at the expense of room for through traffic. Third Avenue South is scheduled for a major makeover in the next couple of years and could add 180 parking spaces if the new design includes angle parking, says a city report.

Scaddan would also like the city to consider adding angle spaces to stretches of 20th and 22nd streets downtown, now that 19th Street has reopened to traffic.

Developers need to do their part by designing adequate spaces within their projects, Scaddan said, adding there's ample parking planned for the Lake Placid complex and Discovery Plaza office project.

The toughest places to find parking spots are on 21st Street close to the Midtown Plaza and along Second Avenue, said Miles Jarvin, the city's parking services manager. It's still possible to find spots elsewhere downtown in the early morning or late afternoon, he said, but he admits the core seems to be busier at virtually all times.

Along with new attractions and condo projects opening, some downtown stores are extending hours. Private companies that specialize in building stand-alone parkades have noticed that and recently made inquiries, Jarvin said.

Adding angle parking is a potential solution, but it can stifle traffic flow if done in the wrong places, he said.

More merchants than in previous surveys said harassment was a problem for customers, but Scaddan gives high marks to police for targeting aggressive panhandlers.

"If downtown wasn't a successful downtown, I guarantee panhandlers wouldn't be there."
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I highlight that one sentence in that article because it falls in line with the previous post. People in this city seem to expect close, free (or cheap)parking, probably because it's always been that way. People insist on trying to find parking on 21st between 1st and 2nd Avenues, when there's parking right on 1st Ave, on 2nd Ave, under Scotia Centre, under Midtown Plaza, surface parking on three sides of Midtown Plaza, and a hideous parkade on 1st and 20th. That area seems awash with parking options, but why do people insist on 21st St? Cause it's close.

"Exposing people to the alternative" is a slow process. I think it's got far more momentum now than ever, with 3 major condo conversions in progress downtown now, plus whatever may become of the Barry and the Ecovillage. The same cultural shift is required to break preconceptions about parking downtown as for living downtown and giving up the suburban ideal, and that takes time. Parking could be eased by constructing a multi-storey parkade on what's now a surface lot, but people might avoid it because they have to drive around and around to find spots in there... who knows. And the shiny happy people who sign up to live in these swanky condos downtown will be the force behind the cultural change to encourage others to do the same.
     
     
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Sorry if this is off topic, but really, we only have so many buildings to talk about anyway

Great post socialisthorde!

I happily enjoy infrequent posts that go beyond the physical aspects of urban environments and explore the processes, attitudes, and beliefs associated with different development initiatives.

The behind-the-scene factors building our cities
     
     
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City of Saskatoon survey

I just received an email regarding a City of Saskatoon Planning Department survey on zoning (infill etc.). Here is the link.

https://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=C8yYEfvUR7ins2dUUhT3uA_3d_3d

Or go to: www.saskatoon.ca (look under “C” for City Planning)


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Saw the ruckus on the way home. Not good. Condolences to the family and best wishes to the injured.

Falls from scaffold on Broadway Avenue

Reported By Brendan Wagner
Posted December 10, 2008 - 5:56pm

A man working construction on a new highrise on Broadway Avenue and 9th Street in Saskatoon has died after falling six floors.

Assistant Fire Chief Bob Fossett says the man was attempting to transfer from a scaffolding to another platform when he fell. He landed on another worker who was taken to hospital in critical condition.

Other workers on the site say the injured man was yelling and screaming as he was taken into the MD Ambulance.

The investigation is just beginning and as a result, the names of the victims have not been released.

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