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I compepletely agree with this point of view.... there are far too many nervous nellies screaming the sky will fall if the city modernizes. It makes be sick. Adding a couple highrises will not add much noticable traffic to the area, but will add some density to the area. This was only an excercise in rediculous NIMBY'ism. This issue has hindered the city to far too long. There are many examples of other mid-highrise residential towers throughout the city .. guess what.. everything is fine.
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I was actually getting used to only two lanes on Edmonton and two on Portage. There's too much road capacity downtown. Leave Smith and Donald both four lanes one-way, same with York and St. Mary, and turn everything else two way with more on street parking, bike lanes, wider sidewalks and more landscaping.
Your right though there are way too many roads downtown


I hate one ways I think they hinder downtown. If we can two way traffic roads would slow down for pedestrian without needing speed traps and such. And buisness would stand to benefit as one who drives would be able to locate the building without worrying about the one ways.
     
     
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I was actually getting used to only two lanes on Edmonton and two on Portage. There's too much road capacity downtown. Leave Smith and Donald both four lanes one-way, same with York and St. Mary, and turn everything else two way with more on street parking, bike lanes, wider sidewalks and more landscaping.
I would have to disagree on the two lanes on Portage being acceptable. Try sitting on a bus going east before the Hydro building, or in your car, at rush hour. It can take 20-25 minutes to get from the U of W to just past the Hydro building. That's a lot of idling.

I agree that having two lanes for cars, I could get used to. If the third lane was bus/cyclists/right turns only, having the other two lanes for the rest of the traffic would be sufficient.
     
     
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portland, seattle, new york are wonderful downtown's.

all with one way streets.

so much for creating vibrancy with 2 way streets.
     
     
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new york is new york its a whole difrent world.....
     
     
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portland, seattle, new york are wonderful downtown's.

all with one way streets.

so much for creating vibrancy with 2 way streets.
I agree, but there is just so much excess capacity downtown why wouldn't you convert them to two way. Does Edmonton or Kennedy need to be four lanes? I don't think so.
     
     
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Fire at McLaren Hotel
CJOB's Ken Klassen reporting
11/29/2008

Fire caused about 35-thousand dollars early Saturday to the McLaren Hotel 554 Main Street.

The alarm came in around 4:30 am. The fire was located in a third floor suite, but there was smoke and water damage elsewhere in the building.

No injuries were reported.

The Arson Task Force is investigating.
     
     
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Fire at McLaren Hotel
CJOB's Ken Klassen reporting
11/29/2008

Fire caused about 35-thousand dollars early Saturday to the McLaren Hotel 554 Main Street.

The alarm came in around 4:30 am. The fire was located in a third floor suite, but there was smoke and water damage elsewhere in the building.

No injuries were reported.

The Arson Task Force is investigating.
That —. I woke up smelling smoke and couldn't figure out where it was coming from, it was like someone was puffing outside my door. I'll have to wander over since I'm just a few blocks away at the Ashdown.
     
     
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Well everyone, you can kiss whatever chance of there ever being another highrise built goodbye.

The Free Press has just launched a new NIMBY handbook.

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Fight city hall? YES, YOU CAN

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Eleanor Bond walked out of city hall this week, pleased with her work and that of fellow citizens.

The 40-something Winnipeg artist and some of her Crescentwood neighbours had succeeded in thwarting a proposed condominium development that would have backed onto their properties.

Bond and the others convinced councillors on the city's appeal committee to overturn a previous decision and send the developer back to the drawing board.

It was the kind of moment that receives relatively little attention among Winnipeggers: the realization that influencing city hall doesn't have to be difficult.

With that in mind, the Free Press has compiled a package of stories telling readers how to be heard on the municipal issues that affect them.

And some tales of people who have already tried.

For Bond, the thrill of victory was short-lived.

It was tempered by memories of the many times she had come to city hall and failed to get her point across.

Seven years ago, for example, she was part of a group that organized a protest in the city hall courtyard in what was the first show of opposition to the planned demolition of the Eaton's building.
Of course, one look around Winnipeg's downtown today reveals who won that battle. It wasn't Bond's side.

"That was a very frustrating experience," she remembered. In fact, it led her to flee to Montreal to teach at Concordia University.

"It pushed a lot of people out of Winnipeg," Bond added. She returned, however -- to the city and to city hall, perhaps proving that political activism is a hard habit to break.

Political activism has always existed but many people suggest Winnipeg city hall throws up too many roadblocks to prevent the voices of ordinary citizens from being heard.

On one level -- the most basic -- the city is taking steps to make lodging complaints with the city and asking questions relatively easy.

In January, it is expected to introduce a 311 telephone service that will put callers in touch with a human operator who can answer a question on the spot or connect people to the appropriate city department.

That might work for questions related to garbage collection, snow removal, street closures and neighbourhood livability.

But for larger issues that relate to the direction in which the mayor and councillors are taking the city, it remains up to ordinary Winnipeggers to bring about change.

How deep that activism runs isn't clear.

For all the people who take part in governing this city, knocking on doors, attending committee meetings, calling their councillor or some city department, there are countless others who see the building at 510 Main St. as an impenetrable fortress.

For them, there is the familiar adage: 'You can't fight city hall.'

And in one way, Nick Ternette would agree.

The man widely seen as city hall's most persistent gadfly knows his way around committee rooms and in council chambers.

By his own estimate, Ternette has made about 125 presentations to city hall gatherings since 1992, the year he became a full-time political activist.

It is only the tip of the iceberg.

Ternette can trace his involvement in municipal affairs to the early SSRq70s when modern Winnipeg -- then known as Unicity -- was being created.

Ternette was part of discussions that led to the amalgamation of 13 municipalities into one.

Later, he became a candidate to sit on Unicity's first council.

His bid failed but city hall hadn't seen the last of him.

Ternette would run for mayor five times: in SSRq77, SSRq86, SSRq89, SSRq95 and 2002.

In the 1980s, he worked as a community organizer before becoming a city hall fixture, advocating for Winnipeg's underprivileged, fighting bus fare hikes, becoming one of the earliest boosters of rapid transit.

And yet, asked recently whether he thought he had made a difference after four decades in civic life, Ternette paused.

"Maybe I'm putting myself down too much," he said, "but I really don't think in 40 years they've ever listened to me once.

"That does not mean that I haven't had an impact on people," he added quickly. "I get a lot of e-mails and a lot of feedback from people who either read about my fighting for bus fares and all that stuff and they appreciate it. I get stopped on the street. I seem to have an impact on average people who have no knowledge of how city hall functions or probably don't even pay attention to politics in general."

Despite such grassroots inspiration, there are others who haven't quite followed Ternette's example of tackling city hall head on.

Political activism doesn't have to be a war with elected officials, said Paul Hesse, spokesman for the Winnipeg Rapid Transit Coalition, the group of about 125 Winnipeggers that has pushed in recent years for the construction of a rapid transit network.

Earlier this year, the city and the province announced they would proceed with the $138-million first phase of a bus rapid transit line that would run south from Winnipeg's downtown to the Jubilee overpass on Pembina Highway.

Hesse attributed what was regarded as a considerable accomplishment of community activism, not to tough talk but rather to cooperation between citizens and their representatives.

"We worked with the mayor, Executive Policy Committee (the mayor's cabinet) and with members of the (provincial) legislature," Hesse said. "You're trying to get buy-in from the decision makers. So, you've got to assist them rather than oppose them."

Mynarski Coun. Harry Lazarenko, who has served parts of Winnipeg's North End for all but six of the last 34 years, has seen community activism rise and fall.

In the 1970s, when council had 50 members and citizen advisory groups existed to provide grassroots guidance, council meetings -- then held in the evenings -- seemed interminable, Lazarenko said.

"We used to sit until 2:30 in the morning, starting at seven (o'clock), because the resident advisers went on and on and on," Lazarenko laughed.

As council has diminished in number - to 29 in 1977 and 15 in 1992 - councillors have been given assistants to help with the increased workload. The simplest step someone can take to get in touch with city hall is usually placing a call to a councillor's office.

Lazarenko often takes calls about matters related to other wards besides his own. He even answered a plea recently from a woman looking for Coun. Chris Lorenc.

Lorenc has not been a councillor since 1992.

"(People) expect to get a councillor when they phone," Lazarenko said. "People want to be contacted. People need to get a response."

Improving citizen contact by moving at least some council and committee meetings to the evening - a recommendation many activists make - is an idea Mayor Sam Katz is "open to discussing," said his spokeswoman.

"Sam is the most accessible politician in the city," said Carmen Barnett.

Win or lose, whether by hard-line approach or soft sell, civic activism is ultimately better than watching from the sidelines, said Eleanor Bond.

"It's either roll over or stand up and make your voice heard in the democratic process," she said. "It feels a lot better to be active, to know that just because it didn't work the first time, maybe there are other ways to get people's attention."

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There's a democracy deficit at Market and Main

By: Joe Paraskevas | Winnipeg Free Press


Too many closed-door meetings.

Too little time spent educating the public about important civic matters.

Too few ways voters can alter the course of events.

And poorly scheduled council meetings that few people can attend.

Those are a few symptoms of an ailing relationship between Winnipeg city hall and its citizens, according to some of this city's leading activists and municipal observers.

"The lack of democracy at city hall is just unbelievable," Nick Ternette, probably the foremost community activist of the last 40 years, said recently.

"Let's just look at what it takes for somebody to even go to city hall who has got an issue," Ternette added. "First of all, meetings are held during the daytime. If you're working, what are you going to do? Take time off work?"

Ternette delivers newspapers early in the morning and then usually has the rest of the day free to attend city hall committee meetings or sessions of council. Others have to adjust their timetables to be able to speak before councillors.

Earlier this month, Liam Martin, co-chair of the Winnipeg Citizens Coalition, a group formed only last spring to generate public interest in municipal affairs, took time off his work at a research firm to make a presentation to council opposing the creation of an arm's-length waste-water utility.

Having put himself on the speakers' list at council though, Martin was dismayed to encounter a different challenge. Councillors and city administrators had worked for months to design the new utility. There was little chance, in Martin's opinion, the public could sway them from their chosen path.

"That's the one common denominator that came up with all these community groups that we tried to mobilize to speak up on this," Martin said. "Everyone was saying, 'Well, why didn't we hear about this sooner?' "

To some city hall watchers, Martin's experience would come as no surprise.

City hall makes only token attempts to gather public input on major decisions, said Christopher Leo, a University of Winnipeg politics professor, also in the city planning department at the University of Manitoba.

The city neither educates ordinary Winnipeggers nor reflects public opinions in many of its final policy choices, Leo added, pointing to planning and urban development decisions as common examples of the city's stonewalling approach.

"My general experience has been city hall is not at all open to public participation in decision-making," Leo said. "They sometimes sponsor various kinds of formal exercises like (public) hearings or occasionally they have done surveys, which supposedly involve citizen participation. But as often as not, these things are generally set up to get very small attendance. A bow is made in the direction of citizen participation but the actual policies often don't reflect what citizens tell them."

In other cities, ordinary citizens have greater influence on civic decisions, Leo added. In Vancouver, developers must make proposals for their projects public, complete with scale models, and the city then follows up with public hearings.

In Portland, Oregon, another city widely considered to be a leader in civic activism, Portland State University provides a for-credit course in which municipal bureaucrats explain how they do their job, said G.B. Arrington, a longtime consultant in that city on public transit and urban growth. Community activists can take the course for free.

When people aren't aware of the choices on a given policy issue or of the ramifications of their choices, they come to public meetings poorly informed, said Richard Milgrom, soon to be head of the U of M's city planning department.

He pointed to public discussions about suburban subdivisions to underline his point.

Some people who supported the creation of subdivisions such as Waverley West in south Winnipeg favoured freezing property taxes, Milgrom said.

But those people failed to realize that the far-flung neighbourhoods they wanted to live in actually increased the city's infrastructure costs and required higher, not lower, taxes.

Milgrom also criticized the open houses that city hall preferred when consulting with the public on a given issue. He said people often wandered in and out of such events quietly, without setting out their views before a wider audience.

Open houses therefore tended to "individualize participation," Milgrom added, meaning city officials could listen to a person at an open house, take notes, then return to city hall with little sense of whether that person held a popular view or not.

By comparison, at a town hall someone could stand up, state an opinion and be met with widespread applause that would send a stronger signal of public opinion to city officials organizing the event.

"There needs to be a variety of ways that people participate," Milgrom said. "The open house has largely taken over the way we do things."

Referenda are yet another way Winnipeggers could influence city hall decision-making, said the Manitoba director of the Canadian Taxpayers Federation.

"I think the disconnect between citizens and city hall right now is largely because our democratic system is still in the Dark Ages," said Colin Craig. "If we had referendums and citizen-led initiatives, I think those would be tools that would engage citizens and give them more of a say."

In Alberta municipalities, citizens could trigger a referendum by collecting signatures from a certain percentage of voters in a given jurisdiction, Craig said.

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Putting down roots

By: Brenda Suderman | Winnipeg Free Press

In an area dominated by big-box retailers and other commercial development, Mark Fouad has dreams of domes reminiscent of his homeland rising above them all.
"First we're going to build a small place to pray and then we're going to expand to the whole centre," the Egyptian-born Fouad says of the multmillion-dollar Coptic Centre now in the planning stages for an 11-acre site along McGillivray Boulevard.

The recent purchase of land by the members of St. Mark Coptic Orthodox Church is the latest property acquired for future church development in southwest Winnipeg. Three other congregations own land along McGillivray Boulevard, just west of the huge retail development on Kenaston Boulevard. Total development by the four Christian churches could easily top $25 million.

Signs mark the future locations of St. Gianna Roman Catholic parish and Trinity Presbyterian Church on the southwest corner of McGillivray and Columbia Drive, just beside the multiplex movie theatre Cinema City. On the north side of McGillivray, just west of Costco, Whyte Ridge Baptist Church, now located on Scurfield Boulevard, owns 14 acres of land, stretching all the way to the southeast boundary of FortWhyte Alive.

Owning the land, and indeed installing a sign to that effect, indicates a presence in the community but doesn't mean construction is imminent, explains Rev. Darrin Gurr of St. Gianna's, which now rents space for weekend masses at the nearby Winnipeg Technical College on Henlow Bay.

"We have two goals here: growing the new parish and building the church. We can't build the church without growing the parish," explains Gurr of the newest congregation in the Archdiocese of Winnipeg. "I think one of the things people have to understand is building a church and growing a parish isn't like building a (restaurant) franchise. They (churches) don't just drop out of the sky."

The 400 families in the four-year-old parish have already been approached to commit funds for the proposed $14-million church building, and about one-quarter of the money has been raised, says Gurr.

Right now, the details of the building are being worked out, with plans including a circular worship space for 675, a banquet hall, library, meeting rooms and a shrine to St. Gianna, the patron saint of the parish.

A permanent home for the Presbyterians is still at least two years away, says Rev. Matthew Brough, pastor of the two-year-old congregation numbering about 65 people. Since May, the church has been holding Sunday morning worship services at Cinema City and meeting in other rented facilities or private homes during the week.

"It works out really well. You've got built-in seating and a great screen to project what we want to project," he says of how his congregation has adapted to the theatre setting. The church even handed out insulated coffee mugs without handles to fit into the cup-holders.

Although Whyte Ridge Baptist Church has owned land on McGillivray for many years, it has no firm plans to build on that site and relocate from its current 20-year-old building on Scurfield Boulevard, says Rev. Doug Friesen, pastor of student ministries.

"This is the community we're already a part of," he says, adding the congregation is now undergoing internal challenges that have put building plans on hold. "This is just the expansion of the focus of our ministry."

Plans for the Coptic Centre are moving faster than the others. Now meeting in a former Lutheran church on Pembina Highway, the congregation of 120 families has outgrown its facilities and hopes to have final plans ready by the time they take possession of the property in April.

"What we're doing right now is seeking the congregation's input on a wish list. Then we'll put in a request for proposal." says Fouad, a certified general accountant who serves on the church board.

First on the list is constructing a worship space, and then as more funds are raised, a community centre for the growing Coptic community in Winnipeg. Fouad says the architecture will be typically Coptic, with multiple domes, and the footprint of the building shaped like a cross.

Despite the black clouds on the economic front, Fouad is confident his congregation will raise the estimated $5 to 8 million needed for a new spiritual home.

"This is the church and in hard times people go back to the church," he says.

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DISCUSSIONS are underway for a religious development in the city's newest residential development, with at least two church groups interested in purchasing land there, says a Manitoba Housing official.

"We have received interest from a couple of church organizations wanting to purchase land in Waverley West. No transactions have taken place so far," says Dwayne Rewniak, director of housing development for Manitoba Housing.

One of those groups is made up of Anglicans, Lutheran and United Church representatives, who have been discussing how best to establish a Christian presence in the development of 11,000 homes, apartments and complexes, says Rev. Jennifer Sisson, an Anglican priest at Church of The Good Shepherd in Fort Richmond.

"The intent is as people move in, we can meet people and get a sense of where their needs are, get to know them, and offer them a small group experience," she says.

Sisson said her group has sent a letter of intent to Manitoba Housing. In the meantime, her group is concentrating on developing possible leaders for any future church for this new development in southwest Winnipeg.

"What we're doing is building a community (and) relationships. The building itself is much farther down the road," she says, adding no decisions have been made if the church would be one congregation including several denominations, or several congregations meeting in one jointly owned building.

Rewniak says any religious groups wanting to purchase property will have to wait several years for the development of the second phase, scheduled for 2012. Houses are now under construction in the first phase, and the first families moved in a few months ago, he says.





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Too many closed-door meetings....
I'm sure it's just me but does anybody else wonder if something seems wrong about the idea of a professional protester ?
     
     
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Bottom line is that the citizens want government to listen, involve and then do.

Government far to often thinks its suppose just do. And when it does, it is usaully wrong.
     
     
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umm wow just checked that site thers 2 vids of a walk threw they even got a crypt one hell of a cpace in there....
     
     
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Government far to often thinks its suppose just do. And when it does, it is usaully wrong.
Oh, I agree with that. I just think that if you have nothing better to do with your life than call yourself an "artist" going around protesting things to pass your time, sooner or later you're bound to protest for the sake of protesting.

The people on Whellams serve as an example in a way. The city asks for their opinion and when they give it, the city ignores it. Those people have a vested interest in the issue. I've noticed though, that a lot of people who colour themselves "activists" tend to know very little of what they're protesting over. Usually they know only one side and half the time their understanding of that is limited too. With a career protester, we're talking about somebody who can skew the balance of perception. Imagine a thousand career protesters showed up at that Devonshire hearing...and they were all in support of the project. That's the problem. Of course, the other, more important problem , is that the city isn't listening anyway.

Anyway, I just thought that self-styled professional protesters are a bad thing in the long run so I don't like the idea of championing them and their philosophy.
     
     
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came across this photo of that wrha gem going up at portage and broadway on flickr...bryanscott.

this is what our government builds on our most important street....talk about instilling a culture of good design,

     
     
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is it even meating the leads requirements?
     
     
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came across this photo of that wrha gem going up at portage and broadway on flickr...bryanscott.

this is what our government builds on our most important street....talk about instilling a culture of good design,

That has to be the blandest building in Manitoba (next to the Canad Inn in Brandon).
     
     
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yea...

wonder how long of a life span this building was designed for?
     
     
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